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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:09 AM
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CSPAN 9:15am EST Thurs. - Rich Lowry, National Review, Editor vs. TBTM
OK, that's not the full topic of the show but a ran out of room in the subject line. My point is that NR just published an article titled the "Annals of Bush Hating," which has given Take Back the Media a lot of coverage, negative, of course, including mention on Fox. I thought perhaps some DUers would be interested in calling in.

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The Sept. 1 issue of National Review and guess who's featured prominently? The article is titled "Annals of Bush Hating" and includes mention of all of our favorite sites (Counterpunch, SmirkingChimp, Bushbodycount, etc.), hitting heavy on the themes of Bush is a Nazi or a moron.

The article isn't available online but here's the blurb from their Website.

Annals of Bush Hating
By Byron York

Are you aware of the murderous history of George W. Bush — indeed, of the entire Bush family? Are you aware of the president's Nazi sympathies? His crimes against humanity? And do you know, by the way, that George W. Bush is a certifiable moron? If you haven't heard the news, you're not on the cutting edge of Bush-hating. Anyone with Internet access can discover an extensive network of websites like Bushbodycount.com, which accuses the president and his family of involvement in "mysterious" deaths; Fearbush.com and Takebackthemedia.com, which traffic in images of Bush in Nazi regalia; and Presidentmoron.com and Toostupidtobepresident.com, which portray the president as a drooling idiot. Taken together, the sites, and dozens of others like them, represent the far Left's online equivalent of the infamous Clinton Chronicles and Clinton Body Count videos and websites of the 1990s. Back then, the Clinton compilations troubled liberal observers and spurred a series of disapproving articles about Clinton-hating. Today, there appears to be less concern.
http://www.nationalreview.com/preview/preview.asp

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=233598

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=228850
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:23 AM
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1. First topic brought up
was Annals of Bush Hating. I hope some of you are trying to get through.
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Carmerian Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:33 AM
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2. "National Review"
Why is it called that? Maybe "National Socialist Review" wouldn't fit easily on the cover.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:37 AM
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3. Socialist?!?!?
It's a reactionary right wing rag run by polemicists. How is that Socialist?
The Professor
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:47 AM
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6. Nazi Party used "Socialist" in party name
I believe that is the point of his comment.
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Kbowe Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:49 AM
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7. And how many RW-facists use the word "Democratic" in their title?
Just asking.
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Carmerian Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:39 AM
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9. Thank you.
It's pretty sad that there's anyone who's liberal and doesn't know what "National Socialism" was.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:54 AM
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13. My bad
Too early in the morning for my brain to register that. d'oh I don't drink coffee, but perhaps I should start. That actually was very clever. :-)
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:37 AM
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4. What are you talking about?
The magazine is a right-wing, Bush administration propaganda outlet. Unless you are saying the Dems and the Dem platform they skewer in every issue are really socialists? If that's the case, perhaps you're lost. :shrug:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:39 AM
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5. Hi Carmerian!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:17 AM
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8. Late to see this post, and it's too bad.
I had the perfect question:

'Mr. Lowry (you freakin' smug little PUNK),

Byron York's article in your magazine characterizes our web site as 'hateful.' I'd like to know - why is a parody flash animation about George W. Bush 'hateful,' and why is someone like Ann Coulter wishing for Al Gore or John Kerry to be killed by 'friendly fire' not hateful?'

There's a TBTM editorial in the works on this.

-as
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Misinformed01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:40 AM
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10. And he would have had the perfect answer:
Anne Coulter was fired from the NR by Jonah Goldberg for her ridiculous, impossible to print, hate filled columns.

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:49 AM
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11. Isn't it curious?
During the 1990s, unsubstantiated rumors, innuendos, and outright lies about Bill Clinton (Mena airport, Arkansas troopers escorting him to "safe houses" to fool around, Vince Foster) were all reported with straight faces by the national media. Usually there was the caveat that while these scurrilous rumors didn't have a shred of evidence to back them up, Clinton should nevertheless lend the credence of a public denial, just to clear the record.

And the people propagating these lies were given air time and newsprint to repeat them over and over again, even after they had been debunked. And no skepticism attached to them at all, even after they had been shown to be liars again and again. And so the crap put out by the Clinton Chronicles and the Clinton Body Count, hawked by the likes of Jerry Falwell, was given a stature and a credibility unwarranted by any corroborating evidence.

Now, though, we have "the Bush haters," an amorphous, poorly-defined group of people who put out all sorts of information about George W. Bush and his family. However, instead of investigating the truth or falsity of the stories, the popular media simply dismiss the whole ball of wax, and the accusers are lumped together as "the Bush haters." Very convenient, very neat and clean. There's no suggestion that Lil George should address these stories. There's no curiosity on the part of the media to check into them to find out if they're true. No, it's just stuff put out by "the Bush haters."

Tell me that one fairy tale again? The one about the "liberal media"?
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:30 AM
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14. after they had been shown to be liars again and again.
And Rich Lowery was one of the worst. He is still being givenm airtime to foist his lies.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:51 AM
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12. I turned it off shortly after turning it on,
when he said something about criticizing the PNAC people was an attempt to smear Jews who want to contribute to the foreign policy debate...OR SOME SUCH NONSENSE. He had to play that Jew card.

OFF WITH THE COMPUTER FEED. I don't have to feed garbage to my mind.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:09 PM
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15. Damn!
I missed it.. I would have loved to skewer this little idiot.. I even found some copies yesterday -

It's pretty pathetic for something as "prestigious" as this rag - nice little graphic of Bush and a Nazi flag right there on the front, he looks swell like that :)

All I wanted to say to the guy was, "Well, maybe you can explain how we 'conspiracy theorists', of which YOU right wingers seem to see behind every tree, and Bush Haters went back in our TIME MACHINE and created that Federal Register Page #242 in 1942 that shows Prescott Bush being hammered for Trading with the ENEMY, specifically NAZIS?"

He obviously didn't address a single FACT that was brought up in my animation, not one.

What a shill.. I think they are trying to get this kind of stuff out of the way as fast as possible by marginalizing it way ahead of his coming out of the Pigfarm and swinging and lying about compassion..

We can't wait to spring the ARMY OF ONE commercial on them, getting some footage on that today, and I'm working on one of my most important pieces so far..

Thanks for the headsup prolesunited!

Screw these slimy bastards, we'll expose them one by one.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:30 PM
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16. You're welcome!
"Screw these slimy bastards, we'll expose them one by one."

I think that's exactly why they are going after you and TBTM.
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