Do you sometimes wish we periodically opened our forum to right-wingers?

Sometimes I get in a mood where I just love to debate and make fools out of the opposition.

I mean, we have facts and logic on our side so it would not be an arduous task.

Anyone else ever feel like putting down a freeper argument?

Fighting an unarmed freeper?

I used to go on the Micheal Moore forums and just start fighting right wingers all the time. Then the forums went down and I had to find something else to do. I evetually found DU and I love it. I don't miss fighting the little ignorant bastards one bit.

It did turn into a warzone at times but it was also kinda fun in a sadistic sort of way.

I wouldn't want DU to permanently be open to rwers, i love the community type feeling that goes on.

But once in a while, I just get the urge to lay into some moron.

Its a nightmare debating with freepers. Its like pounding a brick wall with your bare fist

Their impromptu visits are unwelcome enough.

Ya wanna rassle, there are multitudinous mud pits elsewhere for that.

If it were a matter of debating with them, I'd say "bring them on." But we all know from personal experience that they'll say anything that pops into their empty heads, half-truths, outright lies, and slander, to make a point.

This is my safe haven. I don't want them here.

...I can see the logic in DU banning them. The forum is big enough and you'd get about 10 peopelo a week who would stumble upon this site, join. Make a bunch of obnoxious posts then get sick and leave.

I used to be a member at AlliedConservatives.com. I was usually the only LIberal poster there. Most of the people put up with me after a while and were pretty polite since I was the only guy they had to pick on. One regular was pretty awful to me usually because I always called him on his fundamentalist Christian stuff. He claimed I was intolerant of his religion, yet he had no problem telling me I was a "phony Christian" and that I had no right to call myself a Christian.

Can't figure out what that's supposed to be?

it's this cool game where you have your own country that you can do things with...see http://www.nationstates.net for more details.

there are enough shades of difference among members here to provide lively debate anyway. The thing I get here that I don't get elsewhaere is RESPECT for a liberal opinion, and that's priceless.

and this belongs in the Ask the Admin forum

...this really isn't GD material even though I did want opinions from a lot of you guys.

And I have gone there but haven't lasted more than like 6 posts! haha

Imho, it's hard enough to ferret out the shit some of our regulars post.

is that the same people post these endlessly meandering mind-numbing posts on every thread. It can be fun if you need a little spark of combat. But there often is too little substance and much pomposity. Lots of Rush wannabees spouting off in rambling, no-facts diatribes, just psuedo-intellectual jargon that is meaningless.

however, don't plan on anyone even remotely considering anything but the hard-right spin. Several of these sites beg for liberals to come post there, however, once they do, the right-wingers just pile on with a bunch of worn out Clinton nonsense. The only reliable news from their standpoint is rush and faux....:puke:

Thanks I appreciate it!

no -- because they are like dogs -- they cock their heads and watch your mouth moving, but they are organically incapable of understanding what you're saying.

They're so intellectually dishonest that's it's a waste of time and bandwidth engaging them. And as for "opening up" DU to them, they seem to straggle in from time to time without any prompting from us. Alert the mods and give 'em a tombstone of their very own. There are plenty of other places on the net to bang your head against that particular wall without laying brickwork here.

As a newbie, I didn't know this. I find it kind of disappointing.

What kind of posts would get one banned from DU? Anything right-wing? That would be disappointing. What kind of liberalism is it to ban people who disagree with you?

Banning people who are offensive or disruptive I can understand. But those are as likely to be left- as right- wing.

-ll

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

This is a site for Democrats and progressive thought. If you fit that description, welcome.

...between being liberal and refusing to listen to opposing views.

I am surprised nobody else here does.

I am certainly liberal in my views. I am certainly not a Democrat, as I am not registered to vote in this country. If I had a choice, my preferences in the last election would be Bradley > McCain > Gore > Bush.

So please rethink your conditional welcome and let me know if it still stands.

-ll

Here is a paragraph from the website conservativeintellectual.com (an obvious oxymoron).

"However, McCain's voting record is not out of step with many other Republicans in the Senate. His lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union is an 85, the same as Orrin Hatch's lifetime rating."

Based on his voting record, not his PR.

if you think liberals never refuse to listen to opposing views.

Free speech means you can say what you want without govt censorship.

It doesn't say I have to listen to it.

and it's really very simple. This is not a general political board. There are boards like that all over the place, it's a war zone out there. I get enough email from rightwingnuts, I couldn't stomach them here.

I assumed you DID read the agreement you made when you signed up and the outline of DU principles, hmmm?

we are very bad liberals. :evilgrin:

All of it's outlined in the membership guidelines. Why would you register, make a donation and then be surprised and indignant about the way things are run here?

...I assumed they meant right-wing *disruptors*, not right-wing *thinkers*.

As for me, the issue is of largely academic interest, as I am not right-wing by any description.

-ll

...I just turn on Fox Jazeera.

What's a good forum for politic debates? I'm bored without debates, and yahoo got old quick. Someone at least PM me with a site.

One is posting now in another thread, actually. Funny stuff.

nt

If I'm in the mood for debate I just mention all the good the DLC has done

I like DU just the way it is and adding some more hate is not going to help the democratic cause.

There are other boards were members can go to argue with right wingers, the Moby Political Boards used to be a good place, one can say what ever they want and not be censored on those boards so it makes for some really heated debates.

I assume it's www.moby.com?

Have you ever checked them out?

Thanks.

because you can not be banned or censored for what you say. There are a couple of hard core wingers but a lot of lefties too.

"Put 'em together and what have you got?
a truckload of shit
and a shitload of snot...."

-Zoogz Rift, 1987

I'd hate to see this site degenerate into a WWF-style cage match; we're already pretty argumentative as it is, frankly.... Plus, this website is where I go everyday when I want to escape from corporate insanity and conservative oppression. It's an oasis, not a sandbox.

come on down to J/PS....

We got "Democrats" right this minute posting crap from World Nut Daily and squawking about the evil Kennedy family.

I can go to Yahoo Discussions or Salon Table-Talk if I want that sort of action. I come here to read/become informed by/share ideas with people of a progressive mindset.

I leave regressive attitudes for when I'm already in a bad mood.

...there are pros and cons to doing so.

* Many of the folks there are blatantly racist, homophobic, and callous to the point where it raises your blood pressure.
* Many are kind, friendly, jocular folks whom it is a pleasure to interact with.
* Many have minds that are utterly closed to any opposing view.
* Many are willing to debate, and indeed there are many debates, largely based on the dichotomy between statist conservatism and leave-me-alone conservatism.
* I got banned for reasons unclear to me. I obviously spouted liberal views much of the time, but then so did others.
* It is still, to me, probably *the* most interesting community news blog on the Web.

:puke:

and now...an endorsement for FR.

so I could tell them they are completely brainless idiotic knuckle-dragging spawn of illiterate inbred hairy pustulating slimeballs and to eat baboon shit and die.

phew, that felt good

no, no freeps allowed!

:nuke:

They just barge in, shit all over the place and get tossed out..Anybody got a mop???

I have said this many times....


Anyone who want to "talk" to freeps, can go to ..A N Y .. other site and fine all they could ever want..


DU is OUR sanctuary...they can happily have all the others.. :)

They start or end posts with "I'm a life long Democrat but the lefty nuts are hurting our party."
:puke:

When I go on one of my periodic "I love all you DU-er's!" jags, I like to know that I don't have to make exceptions.

I would welcome a debate with an intelligent right winger but they are as scarce as hens' teeth. The right wing hold on power comes from an appeal to vulgar ignorance. I can't imagine why anybody with half a brain would come in here and defend Bush administration policies.

Contemporary "conservatism" isn't about political dialogue, it's about a rejection of the role of informed discourse in guiding policy. Those people seem un-embarrassed about the lies Bush tells and Americans stupidly believe. They wouldn't fit in here because on most topics, we put more value on rational debate than on name-calling. Right wingers wouldn't be happy here - they are mostly ignorant vulgarians who aren't comfortable around decent people.

I know very few liberals who can make a coherant case for their ideals and even less who can do it civally.

I come here because they aren't here

Clear, succinct, "on message"!
:toast:

from the wingnuts. I work with them. I have to endure them at family gatherings. I avoid them at parties. I pray my children won't date/marry them. So. NO. I don't want them here. This is a place I can go where I don't have to listen to their lies, racism, sexism, and hatred of other people. Too many refuse to read. They don't know facts. They aren't informed. They blather on about what they heard on hate-radio. They have nothing substantive to add because they're not educated or well-read. They repeat only what they've heard from Rush or Bill or Sean or Ann. If you believe they have value, go to Free Republic and read their posts. Ugly, isn't it? Pure hate. Pure racism. Pure misogyny. It would be like inviting a disease to join us.

http://www.etherzone.com/forum/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=5834

Plenty of wingers to debate.

After all, we are the party of diversity are we not? I'm sure we can extend that philosphy to stupid ideas.

Bring 'em on!

nt

as it is. It's nice to have a safe haven, for Pete's sake. Keep them the hell away from here.

I deal enough with these types at work. I come to DU for a rest.

If I want to debate the evil side I do it in news groups, alt.politics.bush in particular. I come here when I need to be with people who for the most part think and feel as I do.

We should open it to one freeper at a time. Tear the living shit out of him/her (most likely him), and send him/her on his/her way. then we get a new whipping boy/girl and start the fun all over again. :evilgrin:

If you feel the need to argue with a bunch of ignoramuses loaded with faux facts, why not just go where they are...

Even for just one day?

suggest checking out yahoo political boards if you want a good mudfight...

hundreds of talk radio programs everywhere on the
AM dial.

This is the one place I can go where I don't have
to listen to their lies and their bullshit.

Excuse my profanity, but Not No But Hell No!!!

:grr:

Dawn

was the now defunct nothingnice boards, which had a politics section, and was open to people of all political persuasions. a really good group of people, who i could have very good discussions with. i'm looking around for another board with a similar mix.

let me know. Capitol Grill is OK. But dominated by too many windbags. These guys just blather on with really long, self-absorbed posts which have no meaty content.

... this is the Democratic Underground, not the Politics in General Underground. Neither is it the Liberal Underground so it is acceptable to limit the degree of liberality to those in the Democratic fold.

Unmoderated ones, if you are looking for a truly open discussion.

And if you REALLY need more, just take yourself to any of the gazillion other forums, and have at it.

Eloriel

Be prepared for name calling, insults and completely illogical arguements.

If you had you would know they deal in an emotional realm. You have to be prepared for insults, name calling and completely illogical arguements.

.

This is Democratic Underground. It is in the name. You can take them on. There are places for that. This isn't one of them.

I've already got a nutty conservative board that I visit to face em up with the contradictions in their conservatism and their support for Bush, who is all over the place to appease Buisness. Capitalist not conservative. Anyway, You do get pretty beat-up over there.Worth the time though. Speaking to the choir is good for the soul. Not much value for the congregation though...

We argue plenty, and heatedly. But we do it nicely. That's
what makes us different from the conservatives.

Enjoy, and post often!!

:bounce:

kaitykaity

I'm not the LEAST bit interested in anything a freeper has to say!

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