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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:15 AM
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Freeper worried about losing pension
There's an arrogant freeper type I see annually every Labor-Day weekend. He believes every stupid thing he hears on the radio in spite of any evidence to the contrary because "If Rush says it, I believe it." So this weekend, after he tells me the story about how Michael Savage said that there was a food riot at the UN at which Kofi Annan stole the silverware, he starts to tell me about his pension. He's union, two years away from retirement, and his company looks like it's going to fold before he retires. He's beginning to think that maybe the Bush administration has something to do with this.

I hate to indulge in schadenfreude, but it's wonderful to see the lightbulb come on in a freeper brain.

Anyone have the link to that cheap-labor conservatives page? I'd like to print it out for him.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:19 AM
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1. oh well...looks like he fell for the diversionary tactics of the GOP
while worrying about Blow Jobs, stolen silverware ...he forgot to be aware of his own surroundings...

I say indulge in the schandenfreude...
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:22 AM
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3. No kidding
Oh, you mean you keep voting for and supporting people like Bush, and you are now angry that you won't get any pension? Gee, that really sucks. Weren't you calling me an America-hating communist the other day?
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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:22 AM
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2. I saved it as a word file, here it is...
Right-Wing Ideology in a Nutshell
When you cut right through it, right-wing ideology is just “dime-store economics <econfordebate.htm>” - intended to dress their ideology up and make it look respectable. You don’t really need to know much about economics to understand it. They certainly don’t. It all gets down to two simple words.
“Cheap labor”. That’s their whole philosophy in a nutshell - which gives you a short and pithy “catch phrase” that describes them perfectly. You’ve heard of “big-government liberals”. Well they’re “cheap-labor conservatives”.
“Cheap-labor conservative” is a moniker they will never shake, and never live down. Because it’s exactly what they are. You see, cheap-labor conservatives are defenders of corporate America - whose fortunes depend on labor. The larger the labor supply, the cheaper it is. The more desperately you need a job, the cheaper you’ll work, and the more power those “corporate lords” have over you. If you are a wealthy elite - or a “wannabe <millionairewannabes.htm>” like most dittoheads - your wealth, power and privilege is enhanced by a labor pool, forced to work cheap.
Don’t believe me? Well, let’s apply this principle, and see how many right-wing positions become instantly understandable.
Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like social spending or our “safety net”. Why? Because when you’re unemployed and desperate, corporations can pay you whatever they feel like - which is inevitably next to nothing. You see, they want you “over a barrel” and in a position to “work cheap or starve”.
Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like the minimum wage, or other improvements in wages and working conditions. Why? These reforms undo all of their efforts to keep you “over a barrel”.
Cheap-labor conservatives like “free trade”, NAFTA, GATT, etc. Why? Because there is a huge supply of desperately poor people in the third world, who are “over a barrel”, and will work cheap.
Cheap-labor conservatives oppose a woman’s right to choose. Why? Unwanted children are an economic burden that put poor women “over a barrel”, forcing them to work cheap.
Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like unions. Why? Because when labor “sticks together”, wages go up. That’s why workers unionize. Seems workers don’t like being “over a barrel”.
Cheap-labor conservatives constantly bray about “morality”, “virtue”, “respect for authority”, “hard work” and other “values”. Why? So they can blame your being “over a barrel” on your own “immorality”, lack of “values” and “poor choices”.
Cheap-labor conservatives encourage racism, misogyny, homophobia and other forms of bigotry. Why? Bigotry among wage earners distracts them, and keeps them from recognizing their common interests as wage earners.
The Cheap-Labor Conservatives’ “Dirty Secret”: They Don’t Really Like Prosperity
Maybe you don’t believe that cheap-labor conservatives like unemployment, poverty and “cheap labor”. Consider these facts.
· Unemployment was 23 percent when FDR took office in 1933. It dropped to 2.5 percent by time the next Republican was in the White House in 1953. It climbed back to 6.5 percent by the end of the Eisenhower administration. It dropped to 3.5 percent by the time LBJ left office. It climbed over 5 percent shortly after Nixon took office, and stayed there for 27 years, until Clinton brought it down to 4.5 percent early in his second term.
· That same period - especially from the late forties into the early seventies - was the “golden age” of the United States. We sent men to the moon. We built our Interstate Highway system. We ended segregation in the South and established Medicare. In those days, a single wage earner could support an entire family on his wages. I grew up then, and I will tell you that life was good -- at least for the many Americans insulated from the tragedy in Vietnam, as I was.
These facts provide a nice background to evaluate cheap-labor conservative claims like “liberals are destroying America.” In fact, cheap-labor conservatives have howled with outrage and indignation against New Deal liberalism from its inception in the 1930’s all the way to the present. You can go to “Free Republic” or Hannity’s forum right now, and find a cheap-labor conservative comparing New Deal Liberalism to “Stalinism”.
· Cheap-labor conservatives opposed virtually all of the New Deal, including every improvement in wages and working conditions.
· Cheap-labor conservatives have a long and sorry history of opposing virtually every advancement <conservativeobstruction.htm> in this country’s development - going right back to the American revolution
· Cheap-labor conservatives have hated Social Security and Medicare since their inception.
· Many cheap-labor conservatives are hostile to public education. They think it should be privatized. But why are we surprised? Cheap-labor conservatives opposed universal public education in its early days. School vouchers are just a backdoor method to “resegregate” the public schools.
· Cheap-labor conservatives hate the progressive income tax like the devil hates holy water.
· Cheap-labor conservatives like budget deficits and a huge national debt for two reasons. A bankrupt government has a harder time doing any “social spending” - which cheap-labor conservatives oppose, and . . .
· Wealthy cheap-labor conservatives like say, George W. Bush, buy the bonds and then earn tax free interest on the money they lend the government. The deficit created by cheap-labor conservatives - while they posture as being “fiscally conservative” -- may count as the biggest con job in American history.
· “Free Trade”, globalization, NAFTA and especially GATT are intended to create a world-wide “corporate playground” where national governments serve the interests of corporations -- which means “cheap labor”.
The ugly truth is that cheap-labor conservatives just don’t like working people. They don’t like “bottom up” prosperity, and the reason for it is very simple. If people are too prosperous their corporate lords have a harder time kicking them around. Once you understand this about the cheap-labor conservatives, the real motivation for their policies makes perfect sense. Remember, cheap-labor conservatives believe in social hierarchy and privilege, so the only prosperity they want is limited to them. They want to see absolutely nothing that benefits the guy - or more often the woman - who works for an hourly wage.
So there you have it, in one easy-to-remember phrase. See how easy it is to understand these cheap-labor conservatives? The more ignorant and destitute people there are - desperate for any job they can get - the cheaper the cheap-labor conservatives can get them to work.
Try it. Every time you respond to a cheap-labor conservative in letters to the editor, or an online discussion forum, look for the “cheap labor” angle. Trust me, you’ll find it. I can even show you the “cheap labor” angle in things like the “war on drugs”, and the absurd conservative opposition to alternative energy.
Next, make that moniker - cheap-labor conservatives - you’re “standard reference” to the other side. One of the last revisions I made to this article was to find every reference to “conservatives”, “Republicans”, “right-wingers”, and “righties”, and replace it with “cheap-labor conservatives”. In fact, if you’re a cheap-labor conservative reading this, you should be getting sick of that phrase right about now. Exxxxcellent.
If enough people will “get with the program”, it won’t be long before you can’t look at an editorial page, listen to the radio, turn on the TV, or log onto your favorite message board without seeing the phrase “cheap labor conservatives” - and have plenty of examples to reinforce the message. By election day of 2004, every politically sentient American should understand exactly what a “cheap labor conservative” is, and what he stands for.
Now if you stop right here, you will have enough ammunition to hold your own with a cheap-labor conservative, in any public debate. You have your catch phrase, and you have some of the facts and history to give that phrase meaning.
But if you really want to rip the heart out of cheap-labor conservative ideology, you may want to invest just a little bit more effort. It still isn’t all that complicated, though it is a bit more detailed than what we have covered so far.
To explore that detail, just click one of the links below.
“”“”Less Government and Cheap Labor <lessgovernment.htm>.
The Public Sector and Private Fortunes <publicsectorprivatefortunes.htm>.
“”Personal Responsibility and Wages <wagesandresponsibility.htm>.
For more detailed theoretical understanding, check out The Mythology of Wealth <mythologyofwealth.htm>, or just browse through some of the articles in the sidebar.
Now go find some “cheap labor conservatives”, and pin that scarlet moniker on them.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:23 AM
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4. thanks for posting
I didn't save it when it was originally posted and am glad to have another chance to do so.

Julie
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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:09 AM
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11. I'm bookmarking this thread
Because of you excellent post. Thank you.

Cheap-labor conservative. Love it!
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 11:02 AM
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16. "Cheap Labor Conservatives"......

thanks for the eye opener. This is a
term that should be repeated loud and
often as it would cut through a lot
of right wing propaganda and is easily
understood by even the most politically
ignorant of voters.


"CHEAP LABOR CONSERVATIVES"
"CHEAP LABOR CONSERVATIVES"
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"CHEAP LABOR CONSERVATIVES"
"CHEAP LABOR CONSERVATIVES"
"CHEAP LABOR CONSERVATIVES"
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"CHEAP LABOR CONSERVATIVES"
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:30 AM
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5. Here's the link
Edited on Sat Aug-30-03 09:41 AM by prolesunited
http://www.conceptualguerilla.com/blurbs.htm

But I would LOVE to hear more about the UN food fight. :eyes:
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:36 AM
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7. Thanks all
I can always count on DU for info.

And, no, I don't know anything about the UN food fight. He said it's on Michael Savage. If you're brave enough to go there, maybe you could share the gory details with the rest of us;-)
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salmonhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:30 AM
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6. He should be proud instead ~
To be forced to choose between taking doctor prescribed medical prescriptions and eating cat food for The Bush Family Oligarchy while they have fresh golf balls on every tee ~

:shrug:
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:44 AM
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8. Just tell him that old people who collect social security and pensions
are leeches on productive citizens, just like people who collect welfare, and that he should be ashamed to even think about getting one.
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searchingforlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:00 AM
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9. And while you're at it, remind him that the GOP funds solicitor that calls
him is probably calling from India. That the GOP is so concerned about jobs in America that they have outsourced their fundraising.

I just love that fact.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:06 AM
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10. tell him
to SUCK on it Bush boy. you reap what you bloody sow.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:19 AM
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12. Boo-fucking-Hoo!
Sympathy level: Zero.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:23 AM
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13. www.conceptualguerilla.com
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:31 AM
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14. Hey folks, a vote's a vote!
If this schmuck is finally waking up and seeing the real consequences of the Republican plan, let's get his vote. I mean, I'm sorry about his situation and by supporting the Pinhead Platform he sort of brought it on himself, but let's get this guy's vote, shall we?

I believe the professionals call it a "teachable moment."
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:35 AM
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15. The only (poor) compensation I have for my plight
is that the freepers have to share in our economy.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 11:12 AM
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17. Wow! He really made a connection to Bush?
That's incredible! What exactly did he say about Bush?
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 08:57 AM
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21. Yep
He actually said, "They're on the side of big business, they don't give a *&^! about our pensions." I think he thought that the Bush administration should step in and, by special dispensation or something, save his personal pension. He didn't care so much about the retirement of Americans in general but cared very about HIS VERY OWN pension. And was beginning to realize that Shrubby doens't give a *&!#!
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jagguy Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 11:18 AM
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18. somehow I don't believe this account
if the guy was such a Rush/Savage fan he would lay the claim of his company's failure squarely at the foot of his union, never the great and glorious Bush.

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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 11:24 AM
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19. It's very possible he's turned against Bush
My boyfriend's stepmother, a flight attendant, used to be a Republican years ago until Bush Sr. did his bit with the airlines and busting up their unions. Now she can't stand the sight of the Shrub.
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Best_man23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 11:31 AM
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20. I said after the 2000 selection
Anyone who voted for Dumbya deserves whatever comes to them.

As my late aunt would have said "He helped to sow that sour crop, let him reap the bad harvest."
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 09:39 AM
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22. I voted for Bush. :(
And I apologize for not waking up sooner, but I had to overcome a lifetime of brainwashing.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 10:18 AM
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23. Bad Ladyhawk, Bad, Bad!!
But, hey, we all make mistakes.

I voted for Reagan back in my fundie Christian days.
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