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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:37 PM
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CA Green candidate Camejo's economic plan
this was from yesterday, so posting it here.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/recall/story/7315647p-8260062c.html

Let the rich pay, Camejo says

The Green Party hopeful would boost education spending, cut sales taxes and amend Prop. 13.

By Herbert A. Sample -- Bee San Francisco Bureau - (Published August 29, 2003)

OAKLAND -- Green Party gubernatorial candidate Peter Camejo on Thursday unveiled one of the recall campaign's most detailed and liberal proposals, one he contended would lift California out of its budget morass. Camejo, who heads an investment brokerage firm he founded, called for strikingly higher income tax rates on Californians who earn more than $500,000 a year, changing Proposition 13 to allow reappraisals of many corporate properties and tax cuts for low-wage earners.

He also proposed restoring hundreds of millions of dollars in cuts to K-12 and higher education spending and rescinding fee increases for state university and community college students. In all, the tax increases would raise an additional $24.1 billion a year, and the new spending and tax cuts would cost $5.1 billion, Camejo asserted. That would leave California with a $19 billion surplus if the changes were to be applied to the state's current spending plan, he added.

"We have a crisis," Camejo said. "At least (the wealthy) should pay what the average person pays, and that would balance the budget."

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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:39 PM
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1. Who cares
He is a spoiler. Sometimes I wonder if this is really a Green board.
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 07:33 PM
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4. this is not a democrats only board either
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:29 PM
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15. But
it shouldn't be a Green board either. And frankly I think the vast majority of the membership here would not want Camejo's candidacy promoted here so that it would result in a Scharznegger victory.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 08:00 PM
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7. do you ever have an original thought?
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 08:01 PM
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8. no
reactionaries only react
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 08:02 PM
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9. since you're so convinced this is practically a green board
would you be so kind as to point out how many Green related threads there are on the various forums? It shouldn't be hard to do if what you say has any truth in it and isn't just more of your rampant hyperbole.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:51 PM
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12. a kick for Carlos
here's his big chance to prove himself correct.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:25 PM
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13. Now that I know you're on the board
another chance to prove me an ass Carlos.There must be tons of Green related threads...it shouldn't be hard to find them.Just follow your nose....
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 08:14 PM
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10. you are incorrect
First of all, I care.

Next, your boilerplate claim of spoiler is made problematic by the fact that Camejo announced before any Democrat.

If you are demanding that Greens undo their plans once Democrats make up their minds, then you might want to experiment with civility.
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 08:16 PM
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11. green movement is larger than Democrats
they dont have to pander to anyone.

and yes, Green's platform is lot different than that of the Democrats, it is better.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:31 PM
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16. Also larger than Democracy - you seem to think...
You are enabling another stealing of an election - for the second time...
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 11:36 PM
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21. read my words again
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Ein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:48 PM
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19. Worldwide movement.
Makes me think there is a future for our world.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:50 PM
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2. Peter Camejo would be a FAR better choice for California...
...than either Bustamante or Davis. Get over it Carlos-- the Green party is simply coopting the liberal politics the Democratic leadership has largely abandoned in its rush to emulate Republican political ethics.

I note that you didn't offer any substantive critism of Camejo's economic plan. Would you care to tell us how his plan is inconsistent with Democratic ideals, and if it's not, why the real dem candidates haven't offered something similar?
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:31 PM
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17. Camejo can't win
That's all I have to say about him. He can't win the election and quite possibly help elect Arnold. But why am I not suprised? Among some of the more extreme DUers defeating Democrats is a good thing. So it doesn't surprise me that you would want Camejo's candidacy to help undermine the Democrats so that Arnold can be elected.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:46 PM
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18. Couldn't find any threads I guess
more Carlos hyperbole.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 07:31 PM
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3. Bustamente's "Tough Love" economic package is more credible!
While many of Camejo's proposals sound good on its face, it is Lt Gov. Bustamante's economic package that is the more credible, and the more likely to be enacted into law.

We cannot afford to flirt with Mr. Camejo at this juncture in history. The best and only recourse is to vote "No" on the recall, and in the (very likely) event that it passes, to vote "Yes" on Bustamante.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 07:53 PM
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5. Save it for a real election.
Anyone (other than the Democrat) who is running in this election is taking part in the degredation of Democracy. The only reason that this thing is going on is because Republicans see it as a way to get control of a state-wide office with about 12% of the vote. Anybody who has some better ideas about how government should be run, should save it for a real, democratic election. Right now, this is about whether you're for or against the velvet coup.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 07:55 PM
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6. Davis could get 50% of the vote and still lose
to someone with 20% of the vote. That's not democracy!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:28 PM
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14. Yeeppiee! Worth stealing a democratic election for!
Yes! The hell with themocracy! Green is better than democracy!
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confusionisnext Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 11:26 PM
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20. Gimme a break
All these potential governors with their bright ideas ... The Dems in the legislature couldn't get the Repugs to raise taxes even $2 billion to pay for bonds, so how, again, does Camejo propose to raise $24 billion?
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