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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 05:49 PM
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Need help constructing list . . .
For use on another forum, I'm composing a list of the type of person the far right-wing mentality can produce. Basically I'm looking for people that are either criminals related to the extreme religious right (i.e. bombers of abortion clinics, etc.). and people that blame left-wing people for all the problems in the world (such as the Unabomber). Feel free to also include people such as Tim McVeigh, etc. that are connected with elements that can only be considered far right.

So far, my list consists of:

Eric Rudolph
Ted Kaczynski
Tim McVeigh
Terry Nichols
James Kopp (killed a doctor that performed abortions)


As I said, I'm doing this mainly to give a showing of the hazards of extreme right-wing thinking.

Any help with the list would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks DU people :)

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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 05:54 PM
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1. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 05:58 PM
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7. I agree that they're both psychotic whack jobs
But I'm looking for people that have actually comitted crimes.

The criminality of these two is there, but it's not something that can be prosecuted, which is what I'm looking for (that way the right wing pundits have no way to refute it).

Thanks!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 05:56 PM
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2. #41
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 05:57 PM
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3. #43
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 05:57 PM
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5. #40
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 05:57 PM
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6. #37
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 05:57 PM
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4. You could argue Andrea Yates
Edited on Sat Aug-30-03 06:02 PM by alcuno
Extreme religiosity mixed with continued child-bearing in spite of treatment for post-partum depression.

On Edit: I can't remember his name, but how about the guy who murdered MLK or any of the murderers of minorities/activists during the Civil Rights movement.

Add Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar to the list as well. If they are not evidence of the religious right, I don't know what is.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:00 PM
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9. And her husband too for that matter. n/t
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John_Shadows_1 Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 05:59 PM
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8. Karl Rove...
n/t
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:07 PM
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10. High Finance Criminals
  • Michael Milkin

  • Ivan Boesky
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    Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:18 PM
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    11. Ok are you ready?
    THE BUSINESS PLOT TO OVERTHROW ROOSEVELT

    In the summer of 1933, shortly after Roosevelt's "First 100 Days," America's richest businessmen were in a panic. It was clear that Roosevelt intended to conduct a massive redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor. Roosevelt had to be stopped at all costs.

    The answer was a military coup. It was to be secretly financed and organized by leading officers of the Morgan and Du Pont empires. This included some of America's richest and most famous names of the time:

    Irenee Du Pont - Right-wing chemical industrialist and founder of the American Liberty League, the organization assigned to execute the plot.
    Grayson Murphy - Director of Goodyear, Bethlehem Steel and a group of J.P. Morgan banks.
    William Doyle - Former state commander of the American Legion and a central plotter of the coup.
    John Davis - Former Democratic presidential candidate and a senior attorney for J.P. Morgan.
    Al Smith - Roosevelt's bitter political foe from New York. Smith was a former governor of New York and a codirector of the American Liberty League.
    John J. Raskob - A high-ranking Du Pont officer and a former chairman of the Democratic Party. In later decades, Raskob would become a "Knight of Malta," a Roman Catholic Religious Order with a high percentage of CIA spies, including CIA Directors William Casey, William Colby and John McCone.
    Robert Clark - One of Wall Street's richest bankers and stockbrokers.
    Gerald MacGuire - Bond salesman for Clark, and a former commander of the Connecticut American Legion. MacGuire was the key recruiter to General Butler.
    The plotters attempted to recruit General Smedley Butler to lead the coup. They selected him because he was a war hero who was popular with the troops. The plotters felt his good reputation was important to make the troops feel confident that they were doing the right thing by overthrowing a democratically elected president. However, this was a mistake: Butler was popular with the troops because he identified with them. That is, he was a man of the people, not the elite. When the plotters approached General Butler with their proposal to lead the coup, he pretended to go along with the plan at first, secretly deciding to betray it to Congress at the right moment.

    What the businessmen proposed was dramatic: they wanted General Butler to deliver an ultimatum to Roosevelt. Roosevelt would pretend to become sick and incapacitated from his polio, and allow a newly created cabinet officer, a "Secretary of General Affairs," to run things in his stead. The secretary, of course, would be carrying out the orders of Wall Street. If Roosevelt refused, then General Butler would force him out with an army of 500,000 war veterans from the American Legion. But MacGuire assured Butler the cover story would work:
    "You know the American people will swallow that. We have got the newspapers. We will start a campaign that the President's health is failing. Everyone can tell that by looking at him, and the dumb American people will fall for it in a second…"
    The businessmen also promised that money was no object: Clark told Butler that he would spend half his $60 million fortune to save the other half.

    And what type of government would replace Roosevelt's New Deal? MacGuire was perfectly candid to Paul French, a reporter friend of General Butler's:
    "We need a fascist government in this country… to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built in America. The only men who have the patriotism to do it are the soldiers, and Smedley Butler is the ideal leader. He could organize a million men overnight."
    Indeed, it turns out that MacGuire travelled to Italy to study Mussolini's fascist state, and came away mightily impressed. He wrote glowing reports back to his boss, Robert Clark, suggesting that they implement the same thing.

    If this sounds too fantastic to believe, we should remember that by 1933, the crimes of fascism were still mostly in the future, and its dangers were largely unknown, even to its supporters. But in the early days, many businessmen openly admired Mussolini because he had used a strong hand to deal with labor unions, put out social unrest, and get the economy working again, if only at the point of a gun. Americans today would be appalled to learn of the many famous millionaires back then who initially admired Hitler and Mussolini: Henry Ford, John D. Rockefeller, John and Allen Dulles (who, besides being millionaires, would later become Eisenhower's Secretary of State and CIA Director, respectively), and, of course, everyone on the above list. They disavowed Hitler and Mussolini only after their atrocities grew to indefensible levels.

    The plot fell apart when Butler went public. The general revealed the details of the coup before the McCormack-Dickstein Committee, which would later become the notorious House Un-American Activities Committee. (In the 50s, this committee would destroy the lives of hundreds of innocent Americans with its communist witch hunts.) The Committee heard the testimony of Butler and French, but failed to call in any of the coup plotters for questioning, other than MacGuire. In fact, the Committee whitewashed the public version of its final report, deleting the names of powerful businessmen whose reputations they sought to protect. The most likely reason for this response is that Wall Street had undue influence in Congress also. Even more alarming, the elite-controlled media failed to pick up on the story, and even today the incident remains little known. The elite managed to spin the story as nothing more than the rumors and hearsay of Butler and French, even though Butler was a Quaker of unimpeachable honesty and integrity. Butler, appalled by the cover-up, went on national radio to denounce it, but with little success.

    Butler was not vindicated until 1967, when journalist John Spivak uncovered the Committee's internal, secret report. It clearly confirmed Butler's story:

    In the last few weeks of the committee's life it received evidence showing that certain persons had attempted to establish a fascist organization in this country…

    There is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned and might have been placed in execution if the financial backers deemed it expedient…

    MacGuire denied allegations under oath, but your committee was able to verify all the pertinent statements made to General Butler, with the exception of the direct statement suggesting the creation of the organization. This, however, was corroborated in the correspondence of MacGuire with his principle, Robert Sterling Clark, of New York City, while MacGuire was abroad studying the various form of veterans' organizations of Fascist character.

    Needless to say, the survival of America's democracy is not an automatic or sure thing. Americans need to remain vigilant against all enemies... both foreign and domestic.

    Return to Timeline

    Sources:
    Jonathon Vankin and John Whalen, The 60 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time (Secaucus, N.J.: Carol Publishing Group, 1997)
    Jules Archer, The Plot to Seize the White House (New York: Hawthorne Books, 1973)
    George Seldes, Even the Gods Can't Change History (Secaucus, N.J.: Lyle Stuart, Inc., 1976)
    John Spivak, A Man in His Time (New York: Horizon Press, 1967)
    http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/Coup.htm
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    ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:46 PM
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    12. I guess I should've been clearer . . .
    I'm only looking for a list of names of people that have been at the very least indicted for crimes.

    Thanks for the help so far, keep 'em coming, but please keep it to people that have actually been indicted (and preferably convicted).

    THANKS!

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    Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:47 PM
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    13. Killers...
    • Gary Leon Ridgway, Green River Killer - according to one of his wives, he became a religious fanatic, often times crying following sermons and reading the bible.

    • Rachal David, a religious fanatic who tossed her seven children off an 11th-story hotel balcony in Salt Lake City in 1978, while a screaming crowd watched from below.

    • Charles Manson, believe it or not. He was a religious fanatic who thought he was Jesus Christ incarnate.

    • Edward Gein, was the child of a religious fanatic. His mother's mission in life was to instill in Gein her deeply religious beliefs and strict morals, such as the idea that women were immoral and their bodies evil. After his mother dies, he started robbing graves. But he only chose those with the words "mom" or "mother" on the headstone. He dissected their bodies and made suits out of their skin and would wear these suits and dress like a woman. He said it was because he had an intense fascination with women and the hold they have on men. He also killed the town sheriff's mother.

    • John List, the infamous family-killer who snuffed out his entire family, including his mother, to "save" them from the evils of the world and the financial blackhole he'd created. He wanted to save them from the influences of other people, most of whom would never think of killing them. Irony of all ironies, in his house was a chandalier, that at the time was worth enough to pull him out of the financial hole and sustain the entire family for quite a while.
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    Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:54 PM
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    14. G. Liddy and Oliver North
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