Dean: Kerry weak on defense, wants to raise everyone's taxes.

Dean didn't actually say that; Kerry spouted these GOP talking points about Dean today.

Flame away.

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If that isn't a lie and an attack, I'm not sure what is. If Dean said this shit about Kerry, people would be outraged, talking about how Dean is 'angry', etc. etc.

At least Kerry attacked Dean personally today, rather than letting Lehane and Jordan do his dirty work.

he said Dean's position on repealing ALL of Bush's tax cuts will increase taxes for middle class families and that's something that he is against.

Jeez, did you start this post just to be annoying? Or was there a constructive point in here somewhere?

Kerry said the Dean has zero experience with foreign policy and that the white house is not the place to learn on the job. weak on defense is implied in that statement.

After all, he did vote for our happy little quagmire in Iraq.

(BTW for future reference would someone tell me if that was a bash, a cheap shot, or just the truth?)

ALL were governors before they became president. Last I checked at least one of those (FDR) was solid on defending America.

Dean has zero foreign policy experience...but Bush was allowed to learn on the job, so whatever to that.

Dean has zero foreign policy experience. This is fact, and Kerry can say it all he wants. Dean can reply by saying Kerry's foreign policy experience didn't help him with the Iraq vote. This we call campaigning. Deal.

<<"but Bush was allowed to learn on the job, so whatever to that.">>

Bush was selected during a period of peace. During peacetime, people don't usually consider having defense and national security bona fides important. They feel the new president will learn and grow into it. However, during this perpetual war that bushco has declared and encouraged, I find it highly unlikely that voters will elect a new president with zero national security experience. It just isn't done.

a given. That's why I'm hoping the guy in my signature runs. :D

Vermont is a nice place - I'm from MA myself - but it's not exactly a player in international politics. Vermont is in the dictionary under 'rural'.

Pointing that out is a fair criticism about Dean. It is an advantage Kerry has. I'm not saying Dr. Dean can't learn, but there is no substitute for experience.

I don't see that Kerry has done such glittering, wonderful stuff with all his purported "foreign policy experience." In fact, he's worn it like so much baggage, except now while he can trot it out to try to make himself look good.

Further, at this point *I* could do a better job than Bush -- it hardly takes a rocket scientist for that. I don't see Kerry has any real advantage, personally, especially if he's going to go around scaring people -- or reminding them about how scared they are, or should be in order to make his so-called "foreign policy experience" look more attractive. That's called demagoguery. Not what I expected of Kerry, but now that I think of it, I'm not surprised.

Eloriel

and what works, wins. Bet your ass the GOP will do it. Better it happens in the primaries than in the general.

America isn't going to elect a new "wartime president" who has zero national security experience. It just won't happen.

I just have to know, is that a Skaven?

and Kerry into attacking Dean, and sensibly, neither would attack. They both explained how they were different, and when prodded, said, basically, look, this is what I stand for.

There are very obvious strategic reasons for not getting confrontational with the Dean people.

However, you come here and you see those people acting like they've been attacked so that they can get into this defensive posture which implies what negative, attacking assholes the opposition is.

The crazy thing about this is that this crowd seems to think this a good strategy for dismissing other Democrats, yet, isn't this the strategy Bush will use against Dean? What you see people thinking is good strategy against Kerry today is going to be the strategy Bush uses against Dean tomorrow. How can it be good strategy today and bad strategy tomorrow?Ô

If the SOB is nominated, I walk away from the Democratic Party. I'm sick of his shit.