Family values! Kerik's love nest was apartment meant FOR 9/11 HEROES!

Kerik took over apartment donated to rescue workers
December 16, 2004
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/12/14/barnardkerik2_narrowweb__200x246,1.jpg
An apartment in Manhattan that the former police commissioner, Bernard Kerik, secured for his personal use after September 11, 2001, was originally donated for the use of weary police and rescue workers who were helping at ground zero, a real-estate executive says.

After the clean-up had settled into a routine, the executive said, Mr Kerik, who was still police commissioner, asked to rent the two-bedroom flat for his own use.

During his use of the apartment, Mr Kerik - who is married with two children and lived at the time in the Bronx - and Judith Regan engaged in an extramarital affair there, according to someone who spoke to Mr Kerik about the relationship. Ms Regan published Mr Kerik's best-selling autobiography in 2001. Mr Kerik refused to answer any questions on Tuesday regarding the flat.

The latest scandal to surface in connection with Mr Kerik's nomination for Homeland Security Secretary emerged as a government official admitted on Tuesday that the White House had failed to get a full picture of the moral and ethical problems buried in his personal and business life, despite hours of confrontational interviews of Mr Kerik by the White House counsel, Alberto Gonzales.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Kerik-took-over-apartment-donated-to-rescue-workers/2004/12/15/1102787150325.html?oneclick=true

why am i shocked at every new reveLation!?

Lord knows we should be immune to this by now. The utter contempt of that crowd defies any rational explanation, doesn't it? Pigs.

Showing complete ignorance of New York politics of either party.

but it sounds like he rented it legitimately, no?

I mean obviously he's a bizarre choice for Homeland Security, except for simply the face value of his 9/11 connection. I'm sure the WH & Giuliani figured we're all so easy to pull the wool over our eyes, none would be the wiser.

if you want to bitch about the affair. Sounds like he rented the love nest fair and square.
I like that term, "love nest", think I might go out and get one.

Someone donates the use of a swanky apartment right at ground zero; who do you suppose got to use it, some poor workijng stiff, or the police commissioner, Kerik. What do you want to bet he was using it before he started renting it? What do you suppose are the chances he got a "deal" on the rent? I'll take bets that he used it for his apparently continual affairs at the time it was supposd to have been used for resting workers from ground zero.

You see the timeline on the affairs? He was having the one affair with the corrections subordinate before, during, and after his wedding to his latest wife. I bet that apartment, you know it overlooked ground zero, was a great pick-up line, "hey baby, want to come up to the command post, it has a great view from which we can survey the clean-up work." I bet that vulture was screwing his little sluts in their while looking down at the smoking hole and getting off on his power. Makes me sick.

It wouldn't surprise me if he used the workers who were due for "rest" to act as lookouts/guards for his little pad.

"Little sluts"???

You are mesmerized by his sexual prowess? That's how it seems.

As for the "pick-up line," that says things about you, not Kerik, that maybe you might want to think twice about exposing to view.

The article mentions that rents in the area were distressed for months afterwards, and that the property his lover (lovers?) and he used as a love nest actually overlooked Ground Zero. Inspirational.

I'm not gonna hit him with this one.

Sleazy people are still human. Kerik, incompetent as he has proved to be, was involved in that bloody mess of body parts and funerals. People he knew, too.

So he buried the horror in sex. Many did.

Burn him for something else, not this.

The Holy Republicans consider themselves pure and family-oriented and mince no words painting liberals as loose and valueless. It's not the act, it's the self-righteous house of cards they construct that irritates me.

Is that you, Rush? That was the single most amazing delusional justification I have ever heard in my life.

Since he tended to have extramarital sex, there's nothing odd about his having more of it.

Are you condemning him for adultery or an actual crime? Because there isn't one in this particular instance.

And justification doesn't come into it. Because you disagree with him (for perfectly good reasons) you have withdrawn the sympathy and human consideration you would give someone you do agree with.

And this apartment was used by him and only one woman, isn't that correct? So take your Puritanical view of what people SHOULD do in a crisis and shove it.

Find something else to condemn. There's plenty.

he was conducting his tawdry stuff with at least two women besides his wife

"After taking the apartment, Mr. Kerik, who is married with two children and lived at the time in Riverdale, the Bronx, began to meet there with Ms. Regan, said the person who spoke to Mr. Kerik about the matter. That person said that one bedroom faced the pit of ground zero, and that Ms. Regan visited it while Mr. Kerik was police commissioner, meaning between Sept. 11 and Dec. 31, 2001. Mr. Kerik refused to answer any questions yesterday regarding the apartment.

Thats from Salon. So, he took woman no. 3 (that we know of, there was wife, corrections department subordinate, and Judith, all at the same time) to the bedroomo overlooking the still-smoking remains, and he did this to get over it? And you defend this?

Let alone the whole idea of it. Did he set out Glade Candle Scents to mask the smoke? Put on a little Tony Bennett?

It mostly smelled dank, kind of musty, like disturbing a mummy's tomb, with that extra scent of burning.

It was poisonous. Though they said it wasn't. And we all lived with it. Were we supposed to stop living because there was a smell in the air?

The thing about odor, if you are around it constantly, you lose the ability to notice it. Kerik was around it constantly.

The location? Nobody else wanted it.

The women? Only one went to that place.

Your reverence for the "still-smoking remains" is disgusting. Really. Do you think he ever DID NOT see them? He KNEW people who were part of the dust he was breathing.

You sound like a Republican talking about Bill Clinton. You might want to do something about that.

And you sound like someone who has no clue what happened here.

read about that f***er here
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2004/12/shenanigans.html

When a Bush nominee backs out of consideration due to "tax problems", it's time to dig for the skeletons in his closet. Nobody would approve of tax evasion more than the people who make up this administration -- that's a pat on the back.

Klieg lights? Being beat with a sack of oranges?

If that ain't **DECADENCE**, I don't know what is.

And Republicans are supposed to be stuffed to the gills with "moral values?"

Clearly, the world is insane.

Were you walking in the dust of the dead and breathing it?

Slam him for something else.

And stop pretending the opposition doesn't feel. What do you think Kerik saw those days and months after 9/11? Anything he might want to blot out?

Remember - we're the tolerant liberals. We can accept that people have very human responses to awful situations. The difference is that we don't claim to be morally superior. That is the difference.

He must have, or you wouldn't be saying it. I'd just like to know when.

Yeah. Get him for hypocrisy.

But let's make sure WE aren't the hypocrites.

He associated with them, campaigned vigorously for Bush, to my mind that involved him embracing their ideals, thus their hypocrisy. He must be just a really swell guy, or you wouldn't be defending him so. He laid down with those dogs, and now they all have fleas. US being the hypocrites? My ass.

Not find a publisher to make money on your story and then boff her.

So it was OK for everyone that worked at Ground Zero to go out on their wives?

And thanks. :toast:

And well said.

Did you walk in the dust? Did you deal with the deaths? "Should" from someone who wasn't here has no relevance.

Kerik rented an apartment no one else wanted and had an affair in it. Not illegal.

Get him on something else. There's plenty.

"Kerik rented an apartment no one else wanted and had an affair in it. Not illegal."

Just calling him a hypocrite. Not talking about having him locked up so legal has absolutely nothing t do with it.

I'm sick of the parade of right-wingers who have no qualms about profiting off the tragedy of 9/11. In that regard, no, I don't think the opposition **does** feel.

If Kerik did his job in the post-9/11 days, great -- that's what he was paid to do.

But he, and Guiliani, and * , ad infinitum have already gotten far too much mileage out of human suffering, and then trying to set themselves up as paragons of virtue.

It's hypocrisy and shamelessness of the worst kind.

I would bet he is an insensitive shit. Story is that when he was in Iraq, instead of working on organizing the Iraqi police, he took to going out on freelance combat operations with South African mercenaries, getting off on killing people. Worked as security for the saudi royals, a regime that regularly tortures and kills suspects, and still cuts people's heads off in public (the expats call the place they do that "Chop Chop Square." He was part of Saudi security, to me that disqualifies him from ever receiving any pity from me. Poor little goon, poor little lying stealing thug, he had to go on a sex jag because of the trauma, bullshit.

I know people who were in the towers when they were hit, not one had to go on a sex binge to get over it. Giuliani positively reveled in the trauma, now gets paid millions in speaking fees to relive it in front of an audience so other bloodthirsty right wingers can vicariously revel in the "carnage porn." I have never seen anyone bend as far over backwards as you are to defend this immoral little shit Kerik. What next, he needed to divert $1 million in prison commisary funds because he was traumatized by the torture he witnessed while working for the saudis? Whats next, poor Hitler, it was okay he was a drug addict, he was traumatized by the genocide he presided over?

...I could care less. But the apartment was donated by the property management for the use of rescue crews. His use of it was corrupt.

Also not too fond of his ties to Goodfellas Construction Inc. in Jersey.

Extramarital sex isn't a dealbreaker. Corruption is.

a sight as horrifying as any charred body.

aquart, you are correct about humans often dealing with stress and horror through sex, but Kerik's use of this particular apartment is undeniably loathsome

It's clear that he took it over AFTER the clean up had ceased to be an intense effort.

I don't know Judith Regan, but what has she done that requires vilification at DU?

http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/041206roco01?print=true
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Regan calls herself "an average American with a two-minute attention span." But her thinking about the book world is anything but average. It was Regan who first realized that talk-radio audiences and others who seemed entirely outside the reach of literary culture would, in fact, buy books, and signed up Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern, and the guys from the World Wrestling Federation, all of whom became best-selling phenomenons. While she professes no personal right-wing leanings (close friends roll their eyes—"She's to the right of Genghis Khan," says one), she has endeared herself to HarperCollins owner Rupert Murdoch with her successful publishing of right-wingers such as Robert Bork and Sean Hannity and tough guys such as former New York City police commissioner Bernard Kerik and Iraq-war majordomo General Tommy Franks. But she goes where the money and interest are, which means she has also published Michael Moore, left-leaning Alan Colmes, and, startlingly, right before the election, Glenn W. Smith's Unfit Commander: Texans for Truth Take On George W. Bush.
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She's also pals with Rupert Murdoch and has had a Fox commentary program.

A client of mine, and my daughter's soccer coach worked there for months. NOT ONE of them had to bury their sorrows or handle the horrors by having extramarital sex.

Please!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33783-2004Dec3_2.html

"On Sept. 11, Kerik stood next to Giuliani as the World Trade Center towers collapsed, nearly burying the pair. In the weeks to come, Kerik rarely returned home, sleeping on a cot in his office. No one questioned his dedication. But when the city commissioned McKinsey & Co. to examine New York's response to the attacks, and later when the Sept. 11 commission held hearings, Kerik heard sharp criticism of the fire and police departments, particularly of the failure to establish a clear line of command."

He was there. He lost people he knew. He was in charge of the police and had to deal with the funerals, the emergency promotions, the hundreds of officers running on fumes trying to dig out friends and strangers.

So you condemn him for any damn thing you like, but don't go holier than thou over how he behaved after 9/11. You weren't here. He was.

"Kerik rarely returned home, sleeping on a cot in his office."

Sure.

Kerick's wife: Honey, what's that banging noise?
Kerick: Hrmph, hrmph, uh that's the noise of hard work.

Sorry, 9/11 doesn't get you a pass for adultery.

You don't do your job by renting a place at ground zero "for fellow officers to rest in" and turn it into your own private love nest. That's inappropriate behavior and bespeaks a much larger issue.

If you can believe any Republican, Bill Clinton was impeached because he lied to the American public about his own illicit affair. Many felt he should not be allowed to continue as president because of it.

I see no difference in any other public official being passed over for a promotion -- ESPECIALLY for a position like Secretary of Homeland Security -- for the very same behavior.

Inappropriate - Inappropriate - Inappropriate.

"Were we here?" you keep asking. Yes, in spirit, we all were.

If one half of this type of check was done on every republican or democrat in office today (elected and/or appointed) we likely would find kerik's uninhibited lifestyle a very common part of political office!
When we select people on their own profile and judge them only a bit better than the worst, (other) we are deluding ourselves.

reminds me of certain tactics used in Abu-Garib prison and i beleive Kerik was in country when some of that was happening, i wonder if he trained any of them.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/torture/torture.html

I was really rooting for an actual Senate Confirmation Hearing.

Would've been the best thing since Clarence Thomas. :-(

probably worked better than Viagra for him.

"The normally careful White House faltered because of Mr Bush's personal enthusiasm for Mr Kerik..."

It's interesting that some people quickly and surely sense that people like Kerik (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, etc.) are bad people. Yet the fool in the WH is drawn to them- I wonder why?

getting better and better. It's amazing to me that Gonzales didn't do any of his homework on this guy! I wonder how "bad" he's going to be as Attorney General.

All I can say that if this was a democrate who nominated a guy like this, the media would be going crazy!

for those who believe sex should be kept in the family.

??

This is shameful!~!

:grr:

He lied to the investators about not having ossible problems about his past dealings.Guess he figured that since he was a "hero" that it didn't matter about his past. When he was notified that it would all surface he quickly declined the offer of the job. I don't really care about his adultry but his character is the main issue. He doesn't strike me as a person that would give a shit about civil liberties. Hope we don't get someone even worse. Now Gonsales is a greater worry as AG. Talk about a danger to civil liberties!!!