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indigo5 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 07:45 PM
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Religious Right pressures school to recognize Christmas
http://www.livejournal.com/users/bambenek/94565.html?mode=reply

Guess they haven't heard of the Establishment clause
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 07:47 PM
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1. Uh, Santa Claus
as depicted now, is a secular icon. They have Santa Claus in Japan, which celebrates 'Christmas' while not being a Christian country.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 07:50 PM
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2. I'm an atheist and we celebrate Christmas too
I guess they pushed Christmas so hard over the years that they pushed it right into a non-religious status. Too bad for them.
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lachattefolle Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:28 PM
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6. I'm an atheist also and we celebrate Christmas, which the Xtians
stole from non-Xtian groups which were celebrating Mithras' Birthday, the Feast of Sol Invictis, the Winter Solstice and so on. I like to think of it as reclaiming MY heritage (pagan north European).
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 07:55 PM
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3. Beats me.
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 08:08 PM by NYC
Santa Claus seems to have strayed from St. Nicholas, and I haven't heard of anyone worshiping him as a saint.

Edit: On the other hand, Santa is firmly associated with Christmas, not Chanukah or any other religion. So, although Santa Claus is not religious, he does seem to be Christmas specific.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:12 PM
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8. The only thing Christian about Santa Claus is the name
In all other respects, he's a purely pagan figure, part of the same fertility-based complex as every other expression of seasonal revelry, from the trick-and-treaters of Halloween, to the New Years Mummers, to Mardi Gras. See http://home.bak.rr.com/darog/xmas/history.htm

Beyond that, Santa and the other pagan elements in contemporary solstice festivities have a strong association with traditional pre-Christian cosmology. Our Christias tree is a representation of the world-axis, and the star at the tip is the North Pole Star. Santa's own location -- from which he can simultaneously see everyone in the world -- is also clearly at the Pole Star and not at the earhly North Pole. His flying sleigh (like the sun-chariot of Apollo) also clearly marks him as an ancient celestial deity.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:08 PM
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4. And here she is, my favorite X-tian DU'er
to defend all things Christian and wish us all a merry Christmas.

5, 4, 3, 2, 1....

RL
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:09 PM
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5. Please.
Let us pray not. :)
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:30 PM
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7. Somebody tell me, how the fuck is Santa Claus religous?
Unless, of course, you consider him the patron saint of greed.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:29 PM
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10. the saddest part of this is
that the principal believes that he is honoring the separation of church and state ideal by banning Santa...and therefor must believe Santa is a religious icon of some sort.

Would he have banned someone wearing a yarmulka? He might offend some of the christian persuasion there...

theProdigal
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:05 PM
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9. Santa is a polar bear!
Someone posted a link to a Greenland advent calendar.

http://www.santa.gl/uk/Adventcalendar/index

It's fun, but long. I'm up to day 5. Santa is really a polar bear.
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