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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:21 PM
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Best post ever at freeperville...
Edited on Sat Jan-01-05 08:49 PM by femme.democratique
It was fun to watch the freeps implode before they pulled it...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1312247/posts

Top 10 Reasons Republicans and Conservatives Should NOT Support George W. Bush
In The Arena: The Homepage of Republican Patriots ^ | January 1, 2005 | Thinking Republican


Posted on 01/01/2005 5:16:11 PM PST by Thinking Republican


With the election behind us and a new term ahead of us, it's not time to call on this president to return to GENUINE Republican ideals and principles. Republicans have a right to believe that a Republican president will act according to long-standing Republican and Conservative principles. So far, he hasn't done much of that. Those of us who are traditional Republicans and Conservatives should demand that he does by pointing out the more aberrant acts of the Bush Administration that are inconsistent with our principles. Here, then, are the "Top 10 Reasons Republicans and Conservatives Should NOT Support George W. Bush.

10. He abrogated Republican principles that support free, fair trade and conducted protectionist trade policy by imposing tariffs on steel in March, 2002 solely to protect the domestic manufacturing base against foreign imports.
9. He has subrogated long-standing Republican environmental and conservation policies to private corporate interests by adopting proposals such as "Clear Skies", ANWR drilling and other programs. Republicans from Theodore Roosevelt, to Barry Goldwater, to Richard Nixon had always been at the forefront of environmental policy, viewing America's environment and natural resources as a special trust to be preserved for the ages.

8. He has violated Republican principles that have always held that the defense of the United States was the principal reason for a central government by neglecting explicit warnings contained in the President's Daily Brief of August 6, 2001 that stated "Osama bin Laden determined to attack within the United States". He issued no alerts; he did not raise the national defense condition; he did not even alert state or local police authorities of the warning. No president in our history - with the possible exception of FDR - has been so negligent in his sworn duty to protect the United States in the face of explicit prior warnings of a possible imminent attack.

7. He has gravely damaged alliances that have been built and advanced by every Republican president since Dwight Eisenhower by diminishing America's standing within the world community, including America's relationships with some of our closest and most long-standing allies in NATO, ASEAN, and the OAS.

6. He has contravened Republican policy to support a strong national defense by "transforming the military" with his notions of a "lighter, faster, stronger" force and "network-centric" warfare. These concepts, and the fashion in which they are being implemented, diminishes American force readiness and the ability of American forces to wage warfare successfully in a variety of battle spaces and against a multitude of enemies. Force redundancies and force capabilities in multiple specialties that have been built into the American defense palette since at least the beginning of World War II, and that permitted America to project force to a variety of combat environments (e.g., we used an army we built to fight the USSR in Europe to fight Saddam in the desert in the first Gulf War), have been put aside in favor of a force that "treats warfare as a glorified targeting exercise", as one analyst put it. The American ability to achieve political objectives by means of warfare - as opposed to simply waging combat - has been greatly diminished by Pentagon planners that have created a force that can fight only one centrally controlled conventional opponent, and then only if that opponent relies on the type of sophisticated electronic weaponry that only advanced industrialized economies are likely to possess. (We can beat England, Germany, and Japan, individually or together, but a conflict with Nigeria, Iraq, Somalia, al-Quaeda, FARC or Hamas - individually or together - may not be winnable because our weaponry is too sophisticated and our tactics won't work against "lesser" enemies.)

5. He has abandoned the Republican principle fiscal responsibility and support for the Middle Class by burying America in a mountain of debt and tolerating prolonged and exorbitant trade deficits. 40% of his 2001 tax cuts funded tax cuts for the top 2% of taxpayers and added $2 Trillion to the national debt. Trade policy has been ineffective, ill-advised and mostly ad-hoc (a simple fix of an illegal export subsidy in the Internal Revenue Code was viewed, instead, as an opportunity to reward lobbyists and contributors with virtually everything on their corporate tax wish list). Meanwhile, presidential hubris threatens the economy with the prospect of higher interest rates, inflation, and a gravely weakened dollar. These economic conditions endanger the savings and economic well-being of the Middle Class, a vital Republican constituency.

4. He and Dick Cheney have further weakened the Republican notion of a strong national defense by creating a civilian defense establishment that seems more concerned with Israeli political party Likud's interests than with American interests. (Even Bret Scowcroft, Bush 41's NSA, says this president is "mesmerized" by Ariel Sharon and that Sharon has this president "wrapped around his finger".) Richard Perle, the mentor or confidant to many of the civilian leaders in the Pentagon has twice been investigated for espionage on behalf of Israel; and "Scooter" Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, and Douglas Feith (to name only a few) are all protégés or confidants of Perle. At least one of Feith's Pentagon intelligence subordinates has been investigated for spying for Israel, and UPI reported that former Reagan NSC Intelligence Director (and CIA Counterintelligence/Counterterrorism Chief) Vincent Cannistraro said that Feith himself was dismissed from his position in the Reagan National Security Council because the FBI suspected he was passing classified intelligence to the Israelis.

3. He has undermined traditional Republican support for maintaining the world's preeminent national intelligence service by politicizing intelligence to support a preordained Iraq War policy; by selectively classifying documents so as to prevent political embarrassment; and, by "outing" intelligence operatives for purposes of political retribution. In just four years, the Bush Administration and it's neoconservative operatives in the Pentagon have turned the CIA, the DIA and NSC into, essentially, political adjuncts of the White House Office of Political Affairs. Highly respected military officers, like Anthony Zinni, and undercover intelligence operatives, like Victoria Plame, have been branded "traitors" or had their cover identities revealed, respectively, because they dared challenge the White House in it's rush to war in Iraq. Now, the credibility of American intelligence -- once the best in the world -- is questioned by our traditional allies, and our ability to safeguard vital American interests throughout the world is undermined, because our intelligence services were blatantly misused and abused by the Bush Administration to "sell" the Iraq War.

2. He has violated Republican military doctrine of a generation, as best embodied by the so-called "Powell Doctrine". The Powell Doctrine actually dates back well before the Gulf War and it's principles go back to at least the Reagan Administration when Col. Harry Summers of the Army War College published "On Strategy: A Critical Analysis of the Vietnam War" in 1982. In nearly every phase of the Iraq War, the Bush Administration violated virtually all of the precepts of the Powell Doctrine, from failing to use overwhelming force to building a sufficient and sustainable public support for the war, to failing to have a clearly defined mission, to failing to have a clear exit strategy.

1. He has violated traditional Republican and conservative notions of foreign policy - not to mention internationally recognized foreign policy principles dating to the Treaty of Westphalia - by engaging in a radical plan to transform the Middle East into a democratic region by force of arms without a casus belli.


1 posted on 01/01/2005 5:16:13 PM PST by Thinking Republican

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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:23 PM
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1. thread was pulled
:shrug: bummer
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:23 PM
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2. Whoops. The FR thread has been deleted.
Edited on Sat Jan-01-05 08:23 PM by Imalittleteapot
Do you have the list?
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:24 PM
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3. its been pulled. n/t
Embarrassed I guess.
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Goathead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:26 PM
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4. Could this be the reason
Here, then, are the "Top 10 Reasons Republicans and Conservatives Should NOT Support George W. Bush.

Sedition in the ranks of FR. I love it!
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:26 PM
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5. Too bad.
Of course they would have that thread pulled.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:26 PM
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6. Guess you can't criticize the Chimperor
in Freeperville.
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shiina Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:28 PM
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7. Pulled? Rove must be their moderator.
No toleration of different opinions over there, huh? Wow, I've never gone over there, but I find that really suprising that they would pull a thread like that.
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khz Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. It's scary over there...
I can only look for a few minutes before my stomach begins to turn. Then my brain hurts.

I do TRY, though, in the interest of understanding and getting a different POV. I just can't do it for more than 2 or 3 minutes at a time...
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:32 PM
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8. Free Republic..
Jimbob Jimmy-Joe, the moderator of FR, doesn't tolerate any paleo-conservatives among the faithful either. When I joined DU in 2003, I started a membership on FR at the same time. I lasted one post before I was banned because I dared to criticize the Chimp-in-Chief's rationale for war in Iraq.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #8
28. I made it a few posts longer than you
but not much. It was fun while it lasted though.
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. thinkingwoman are you related to Thinking Republican?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:45 PM
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10. No, gotta be a troll
Way, way too reasoned & nuanced - and did anyone notice the lack of spelling errors & grammar blowouts? No way this guy's a Freeper! :evilgrin:
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. Yah, user id "Thinking Republican" alone would get ya banned....
...."we don need none of ya lib-ruls and yer intellect! we got Jay-sus!"
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. Right. So which one of you guys tried to give them a myocardial
infarction?
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. Wasn't me, tho I wish I could say it was!
I don't have the time to go thru the BS just to post and be banned 20 seconds later....that site admin is fascist...you basically need to pretend to be a dolt NOT to get banned.
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GAspnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #17
53. I must pretend pretty good then
although I've never challenged them so blatantly. Or accurately.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #10
27. lol....
what a yardstick! hahaha
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:46 PM
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11. Boy! He sure knows a lot of big words! n/t
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:52 PM
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13. Didn't the morans know he was the Manchurian/Stepford Candidate?
Edited on Sat Jan-01-05 08:55 PM by Cobalt Violet
:shrug:
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #13
45. cobalt violet...love your picture there!!
have u considered submitting it as the request for graphic design for progressive flag or banner? A Thread on General discussion now.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #13
48. They don't want no stinkin' truth
and i have to say, I love your sig pic the best. It is so soothing to look at. :)
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:59 PM
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15. Your post was a great read, anyhow!
Crazy thing is, this post would be enough to sway those mod repugs who for whatever crazy reason think that * is keeping us safer!
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. And thats why they don't want it there...
because people might become EDUCATED! You know how Repugs abhor edumacation, unless, of course, you're speaking of economics...
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 09:02 PM
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16. My 11 responses:
10. Protecting US interests? Isn't that what a President is supposed to do? I've got be in agreement here, though * has allowed other fields to freely go overseas to make up for the steel crisis. :eyes:

9. And the point is? He leaves it up as volunteerism, which means the corporate sect will do nothing. *'s mandates here are lip-service only.

8. Wow. They're astute, for once.

7. Doesn't that hark back to #s9 and 10?

6. Wasn't that Clinton's fault? :eyes:

5. Wow, astute twice in a row. I'm overwhelmed.

4. Three times they're awake?!

3. Wow.

2. Blame Powell. Gotta scapegoat blame somebody.

1. Whoops.


11. And as long as they voted for *, whatever they say elsewhere won't mean one. damn. thing.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 09:03 PM
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18. What were some of their responses?
I'd love to have had a look at those. I can guess, though: nonsensical crap about smelling lordly ozone, accompanied by pictures of a mistreated cat in a helmet. I've waded through enough of their crap to have a pretty good idea.

I can't go over there anymore, but I'd have made an exception for this post.
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 09:10 PM
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23. The usual lame "Zot" BS..... eom
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Annus Horribilis Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #23
36. What Does Zot Mean?
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #36
42. Who knows, its their signal to "terminate" a thread or user..... eom
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #36
50. From the comic strip 'BC,' by Johnny Hart.
One of the Rightards' fave comics.

There'a an anteater that's a character in the strip, along with an ant. When the anteater hits the ant with its tongue, 'Zot' is the noise it makes.

The Freeptards are nothing if not easily amused.

-as

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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 09:04 PM
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19. Thinking Republican, dost thou lurk here?
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 09:06 PM
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21. I can see why this would be pulled from F.R.
Edited on Sat Jan-01-05 09:11 PM by mrdmk
This message should be sent to D.N.C., the left wing think tanks and just for the hell of it to the D.L.C. for a host of left wing talking points.

This top ten list had to be written by a troll.

Does anybody think a post like this against a Democrat would last around here before getting locked?


edit: clarity
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. I think it would have a much better chance IMO.
Nothing in there was false, if someone posted factual information then I think that would not be banned. At least I hope not, I do believe DU is much more tolerant than Freeperville...
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Lets hope so! eom
:hi:
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Tweed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #22
38. Agreed
Think about the ongoing battles between DLC and DNC supporters. You never see anything like that at Freeperville. Think about how the mods here get personally attacked sometimes. That just wouldn't fly there.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:17 AM
Response to Reply #21
40. If someone posted e a ten-point criticism of John Kerry here,
I don't think it would be locked.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. Depending how the post was researched and written
The tread would not be locked. Of course the debate would be heavy no doubt.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 09:12 PM
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24. Wow! "Thinking Republican" should join DU.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 09:12 PM
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26. I wonder if Thinking Republican is still a member of FR
After all, they don't like thinging people over there, even when they are Republicans.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:20 AM
Response to Reply #26
41. Including the word thinking in a name would be grounds for instant banning
After making sure I had an empty stomach, I followed a link over to there yesterday and watched the non-thinking spewing incredible amounts of vile and hated at the victims of the tsunami. None of them had their posts deleted or were banned, which says a lot about a cess-pit like that...

Violet...
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thebigdonkey Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 10:21 PM
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29. did you post it
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. no, i didn't eom
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 10:23 PM
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30. you only need one reason !
GWB is a big Government, police state, facist.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 11:47 PM
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33. Most sense to ever come out of that place
Edited on Sat Jan-01-05 11:48 PM by DemonFighterLives
The link there now comes back to here, so any thinking republicans can still get a look at the info.
First Rule- never question the holy emperor
:nopity:
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bobweaver Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 12:01 AM
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34. The Republicans are just now realizing these things? Boy are they slow.
Edited on Sun Jan-02-05 12:01 AM by bobweaver
Didn't they listen to anything Kerry said all year long?
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 12:24 AM
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35. Damned thinkers. nt
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 12:39 AM
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37. Thinking Republican????
I wasn't aware that such a critter existed anymore.
Thought they all went the way of the dinosaurs. :shrug:

-chef-
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:48 PM
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47. It's a subspecies of Oxymoran. nt
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #47
54. ROTFL!!
:thumbsup:

-chef-
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 02:48 AM
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39. The secret when posting at Freepatheticville...
is to use the word "looser" at least once in every post.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:18 PM
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44. thanks for posting the whole thing ...I love this info ....
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:30 PM
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46. Look where it goes to when you press okay
Takes it right back to this thread.

Verrrrrrrrrrryyyyy interesting.
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St. Jarvitude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. I think the "Okay" link just sends you to the page that referred you.
For example, try going to this little test page I made:

http://crystae.homeip.net/~tom/foobar.html
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. In the HTML there is Java Script being used
illegal codewindow.history.back

not a big deal!
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HuskiesHowls Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:14 PM
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52. You know, this sounds a lot like what John Eisenhower
the son of Dwight Eisenhower, wrote in a letter to the editor of the Mansfield (NH) Union Leader before the election when he said he could not support Bush. He also changed his party affiliation from Republican to Independent.
http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=44657
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