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Peak_Oil Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:46 AM
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We're doomed, DOOMED I tell you! DOOOOOOMED!!!
OK, we've got Peak Oil, which will destroy civilization as we know it, and end the industrial age. Fine. Whatever. I can subsist on eating insects and leaves and shit like that.

Next up we've got Global Warming, which will bake the earth an extra 2-3 degrees Celsius, which affects global weather patterns and fucks up all the monsoon paths, rainfall, the friggin saline thing in the ocean that keeps Europe cool and a whole bunch of other shit that I can't remember right now.

Now add Global Dimming into the picture. Read this y'all and despair.

http://science.slashdot.org/science/05/01/14/143210.shtml?tid=14

And read this one too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml

OK, ok, ok. Now you've got the picture. WTF else? You got aliens? You got fascists? You got stolen elections? Whatever. I can handle that shit. But please, don't bake my 3-year-old nephew in his Huggies next to me. That's just a little too over the top for me.

Somebody please, post some good environmental news. You have one hour. After that, I'm calling ELF and going hog-ass-wild on this shit.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:48 AM
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1. but are you Forsaken?
hmm?

:dunce:
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Peak_Oil Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 01:16 AM
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13. I am Forsaken.
Whatever that means, as long as I'm DOOOOOOOMED, I'm also Forsaken.

For Christ's Sake, would one of you please post something that says that the Earth will support my nephew from his 3rd birthday to his 12th birthday.

I double dog dare you.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 01:21 AM
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15. Mayans?
Well, if its any consolation, you've got until Dec. 21st 2012 until the end of the world...

Oh, and you forgot to mention the polar shift (happens every 26,000 years) coming up. Who knows what hell that will unleash.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:49 AM
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2. ummm good news?
The ANWR drilling bill hasn't been passed yet...so there's still time to go do a fly over before its gone.:eyes:
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:51 AM
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3. With BushCo in charge? You want good news?
Good freaking luck. They have taken all language off the EPA web site that points to any possible harm from global climate change. There shall be no good news I'm afraid.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:52 AM
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4. We definitely have a serious case of intellectual dimming too
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 01:21 AM
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14. LOL n/t
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:53 AM
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5. Well go double Ape Ass
because W could care less if the envirnoment was destroyed. He'd see it, gasping as millions die, as an opportunity in free enterprise.
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:53 AM
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6. so shines a good deed in....
a weary world. a small town in upstate new york will be using 100% wind generation for homes and municipal buildings in 2005.The town Caroline, population approx. 3,000, experimented with 50% wind generated electricity in 2004 and the town board with a mandate from the citizens decided to go for it. from small things....
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:53 AM
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7. Think about how the Mayan calendar ends on December 21, 2012 --
what did they know? Apparently that date is the end of this particular historical period and the beginning of a new epoch. I think it's a pivotal date that humans have with destiny -- either evolve or die; we must rise to a new level of consciousness if we are to survive as a species worth of making history.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 01:26 AM
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16. my apologies -I didn't see your post
Yes, I am of that mind as well. Evolve or die...I think the Aboriginal timeline of our existence is near end as well if I'm correct.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 02:46 AM
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18. Your right -- the precessional coming up too --
Edited on Sat Jan-15-05 02:49 AM by Emillereid
Definitely A BIG MOMENT: Not that I expect most DUers to understand but you probably will appreciate this:

... With this particular context in mind, we are now prepared to examine more closely the reasons why the Winter Solstice in the year 2012 is so important. In the Mayan long count calendar a cycle of 5,200 years ends on this date, and it just so happens that it also points to a rare astronomical alignment. In fact this alignment only happens once every 26,000 years.


The auspicious year of 2012 indicated in the long count calendar illuminates the fact that the Precessional movement of the Winter Solstice Sun will gradually bring its position into alignment with the very center of our Galaxy. For the Maya, this is like the last stroke of Midnight on New Year’s Eve, only in 2012 the New Year is the New Galactic Year of 26,000 solar years. The Galactic Clock will be at zero point and a New Precessional Cycle will begin.


At this point you may be wondering what is so important about the Milky Way and why were the Maya even concerned with it?


Our scientific culture has finally come realize that our planet, the Sun, and the entire solar system had its origins at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. We also have recently found that our Galaxy is 70,000 light years in diameter, with most of its 400 billion stars concentrated in the great central bulge.


Equipped with ultraviolet, x-ray and gamma-ray instruments, plus infrared telescopes most astronomers are now convinced that at the center of our Galaxy is a massive black hole the unimaginable seize of millions of our suns. This is where Science and Mythology truly meet. For what the center of our Galaxy may represent in terms of energy and the properties of time/space, no one has a clue.


But to the ancient Maya the Milky Way Galaxy represented the Great Cosmic Mother from which all Life was birthed. They saw our Galactic Mother stretching out across the night sky and somehow recognize the place where we all had come from. And the great central bulge at Her center they perceived as the Cosmic Womb. Within the central bulge there is what looks like a dark corridor, known as the dark rift. To the Maya it was referred to by many names but the most pertinent here is their reference to this area as the "birthing pace". Are we beginning to get the picture here?


Considering then the significance of the 2012 date in the Mayan calendar, it has been discovered that this year specifically points to a period of time when the December Solstice Sun aligns with and arises out from the backdrop of the dark rift, the "Galactic Birth Canal" in the central bulge. It's as if the Sun is actually being birthed anew from the Galactic Womb.

The Mayan Cosmology was not written in a book, but in the very stars above their heads. The meaning of this story was not revealed through the study of obscure interpretations, but through correspondence of associations assigned to the individual parts in the story. All we need to do is recognize those original associations and the story unfolds all by itself. Just as in our culture we have built up associations between the Winter Solstice, the New Year and the birth of Jesus Christ "the Son of God" who came into this world as "a savior of mankind".


With the Maya we have discovered another story associated with the Winter Solstice, the New Year and the fate of people on Earth. The astronomical alignment of the Precessional Cycle of the Winter Solstice and Galactic Center represents the "Zero Point" on the Cosmic Clock, thus marking the beginning of the New Age in our evolutionary journey in consciousness. It tells us that a New Sun is born, a New Year has dawned, a New Galactic Cycle has begun, and the transformation of our World is well underway.


The big secret in this particular story is that we need not wait for the Winter Solstice in the year 2012 to recognize that we are entering into this time of profound transition. For according to the most recent astronomical calculations the Solstice Meridian actually coincided most precisely with the Galactic Equator between 1998 and 1999.,,,,,,,,,,

Over the span of the 20 year transitional period as the Solstice Sun crosses the Galactic Equator and moves in to a new hemisphere, we will indeed witness the falling away of the old structures and the birthing of the new. For those who have eyes to see we are actually witnessing the birth of a planetary civilization. And the very logistics involved in this process will determine that the old values of the Nation States which was primarily based on competition and exploitation will have to eventually give way to a collaborative effort, where cooperation will be the dominate social value. This will arise not out of some new political, social or economic theory but the very desire of the human species to continue to survive and be successful.

more at http://www.kamakala.com/2012.htm

Who knows maybe it is some kind of second coming -- the Big Bang of human consciousness into .... what? One of those moments as in (2001, A Space Odyssey) that we take off in a totally different trajectory of human intelligence ..... or some pathetic whimpering demise? These are indeed exciting times we live in!
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 04:04 AM
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19. i wonder if it has something to do with age of aquarius
because i know we are in the age of aquarius, but we are also still in the age of capricorn. they overlap some 150 years and will be an age of unbelievable war and destruction, moreso than usual. somewhere i heard that WWII was somewhere towards the middle of this 150 year transition period. given 75 years after... we have sometime around 2010. but then what do i know about astrology :D

perhaps i should go ask pallas 180 where i'm mistaken... and whether not i'm doomed and forsaken.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:50 PM
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26. Good info, thanks....2012 Music...
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 06:56 AM
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20. I've wondered about 12/21/2012 date
did the calendar end there because there will be no more time to measure?

friends and I have discussed this -- one theory put forward involves reincarnation... as a friend explained "bush* was the Mayan leader during that period.. due to economic pressures, he cut the budget on the Calendar project -- 12/21/2012 was as far as they got when the funds were shut off...."
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 01:11 PM
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27. Cosmogenisis- Mayan calandar and science
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:53 AM
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8. The EU is apparently considering banning military sonar exercises.
After the strandings of hundreds of animals of different species in the last few months.

China is looking to get into lowering it's power plant emissions.

5 plants up north have decideed to upgrade and lower their toxic emissions.

I am using a feather duster more at my job cleaning office buildings instead of spraying chemicals on to furniture to dust with.

I am trying, here, I really am.
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MikeDuffy Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:54 AM
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9. Question:
I am confused as to how such a simple concept of global dimming could have been overlooked until just recently. What am I missing?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:57 AM
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11. Well, that's one even I'll miss.
I'm voting for another ice age instead.

Temp goes up, polar ice caps melt, sea levels go up, earth's temp drops and we all freeze our asses off. Count me in!
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:56 AM
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10. We'll get to torment the bewildered Rapture-bots
who'll bake/freeze/asphyxiate/starve alongside us. Small potatoes, but you take your upsides wherever you can find them nowadays.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 01:03 AM
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12. Funny post
I got nothing for ya...

we HAD to take the red pill...
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 01:37 AM
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17. Uh ... I live in California and my grass is growing real good. nt
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 08:53 AM
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21. maybe thats why some people live
as if consequences don't matter.

What's the difference if people drive Hummers, if corporations are irresponsible, etc. if we are doomed anyway?
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 09:16 AM
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22. sorry, you're right
put the horses in the wagon, it's all downhill from here.

That said, there seems to a consensus among Good People that Life requires Hope. I can accept that theoretically, but like jesus it will not enter my heart. Therefore I make due with Irony, which makes up in cold amusement what it lacks in solace. Don't try this at home.

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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 10:39 AM
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24. Blindpig, words to live by. n/t
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 09:19 AM
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23. like the dali lama says, "
This too shall pass."
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 11:40 AM
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25. Shit fire and save the matches
You are scaring the shit out of me and I thought I was fearless. Maybe its time to sober up.
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