Hitler ordered pope's kidnap

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From correspondents in Rome
January 17, 2005

ADOLF Hitler ordered one of his generals to kidnap Pope Pius XII but the officer did not obey, Italy's leading Roman Catholic newspaper reported yesterday.

Avvenire, which is owned by the Italian Conference of Roman Catholic bishops, said new details of the plot had emerged in documents presented to the Vatican in favour of putting the controversial wartime pontiff on the road to sainthood.

Avvenire said the German dictator feared the pope would be an obstacle to his plans for global domination and because the dictator wanted to eventually abolish Christianity.

It said that in 1944, shortly before the Germans retreated from Rome, SS General Karl Friedrich Otto Wolff had been directly ordered by Hitler to kidnap the pope. The newspaper said Wolff returned to Rome from his meeting with Hitler in Germany and arranged for a secret meeting with the pope.

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"Avvenire said the German dictator feared the pope would be an obstacle to his plans for global domination and because the dictator wanted to eventually abolish Christianity."

That's bullshit! Nothing but right-wing revisionist history bullshit. Hitler was a Christian, why would he want to abolish Christianity?! This is just a way for the Catholic Church to spread the meme that fascist oppose Christianity, so they can label us fascists. They just can't admit that Hitler used his own twisted version of Christianity to kill the Jews for killing Jesus, or that was his justification. Martin Luther's anti-Semitic writing greatly influenced Hitler, especially Luther's book, "On the Jews and Their Lies."

I won't deny that Hitler ordered the kidnapping, as it does sound like something he would do; but if he did, it was because with Pope Pius still a religious leader for the Catholic Church, he posed a threat to Hitler's perversion of Christianity.

Hitler was barely Christian, he used traditional Christian Anti-Semitism yes, but he was barely a Catholic and made many statements against the church. Hitler, like any dictator, saw Christianity as a rival to his state power religion. Pius did save thousands of Italian Jews who were to be deported to the death camps.

This is just a way for the Catholic Church to spread the meme that fascist oppose Christianity, so they can label us fascists.
Excuse me? That is one of the most bigoted and ignorant statemebts I've read in a long long time.

That he felt threatened by other institutions. It seems to me that he believed the rhetoric behind the idea of God and Jesus existance but felt that his interpretation was superior to the Pope's and other sects.

Throughout history whenever an individual or group tries to assert some sort of implied right or superiority they typically declare it to be a divine right. Even today the NeoNazi groups try to proclaim themself the true Jewish people. Members of the lost tribe and thus truly God's chosen people. Check out the church of Christian Identity to see this notion put forward.

Hitler is sort of like a game of hot potato. No philosophical allegiance wants him to be associated with them. Thus he is tossed up as everything from an atheist to a devout Catholic and everything in between. The name of the game is Hitler was no true Christian. Trouble is that the one person that can really tell us who is a true Christian or not isn't here telling us who is or isn't. And history is full of examples of what Christians have done, both good and bad. Seems Christians are human and are capable of every extreme that humans are capable of.

Pacelli - who became Pius XII - to set up the financial conduits that bankrolled the Nazis and later provided safe passage for World War II criminals and the wherewithal to escape to South America.

The noted UK historian David Cesarini in his biography of Eichman has referred to Vatican archival material on this which is still being refused to scholars as well as documents held in the Royal Archives in the UK under Official Secrets Act classification.

He used the churches as propaganda machines. After he got elected and the Nazis got control, he tried to outlaw them. He didn't want anyone to meet in groups that weren't under direct Nazi control.

where how?

Jewish children:
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