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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 04:42 PM
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COINTELPRO campaign attacks the internet power of DU...HEADS UP.
(This is my own educated OPINION based on history, logic, and experience and the spate of scary stories about people killed because they were in online chat groups.)

Consider that every negative media story about using the internet you read at DU perfectly accomplishes the CIA/neo-con goal of chilling the internet, not an accusation against posters of those stories, just an INFO-WARS heads-up to all of us for the following reasons:

For a reason. The unregulated collective intelligence of the internet is a HUGE threat to the fascist propaganda matrix which controls the public and the fascists have begun to attack us at every level.

The anonymous internet is a perfect medium for fear-mongering and disinformation, the CIA's favorite technique for steering public awareness away from their crimes and thwarting their opposition, us.

Many stories to discredit the internet and steer folks away from sites like this one are showing up. Remember the one about the pregnant woman killed and her fetus stolen? Big emphasis on meeting her killer online AND the cops using 'cyber-forensics' to find the killer.

So the threat of scary faceless people online and the chill of the police eaves-dropping is blended to form a two-edged psychological attack on being online at all!

Even Air America Radio has an ad playing over and over for a citizens watch group to prevent internet crimes against children. (??This is a big problem?? Maybe on par with...gay marriage??)

Message:
"The internet is a dangerous place. Don't let your kids go there." (Yeah, they might learn that the authorities are war criminals and the media lies to them every day!)

Besides generic fascist fear-mongering to keep citizens willing to give up freedom for 'security', this is the reason for the whole 'Amber Alert' campaign, IMHO, to tie in parents fears for their children by keeping them home watching TV and taking their propaganda medicine to grow up as good soldiers and drones.


Yes, there are violent nutjobs and prudence is in order as always.
Consider COINTELPRO augmented by the police-state un-Patriot Act.

I recently spoke out at activist events and some people asked me to write for some local publications. Some even asked for my business card. I gave out a few then stopped.

The same guy approached me twice at events separated by long distances! (Hmmm...I don't know who he is and that's my error!)

This set off my paranoia alarms and reminded me of Hoover's Counter Intelligence Program to mess with liberals in the 50s and 60s.

COINTELPRO (the FBI infiltration of citizen resistance to fascism) is now going full tilt with new surveillance technologies and there are 'trackers' coming to meetings to learn who is effective as the loudest, angriest, articulate, etc. to keep tabs on the movers and shakers in the grass-roots level resistance.

Don't give out your name and info to anyone you don't already know and trust whether online or in person. Ask for their info to get in touch with them instead.

BUT STAY ONLINE, GET INFORMED, CONNECTED, AND LOOK OUT FOR PSY-OPS!)
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 04:52 PM
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1. I must agree.
I did liberal talk radio in Ohio this past election cycle. I've had a cyberstalker on me for more than 4 years, and when I appeared on radio, he used several IDs and other persons to wage a slander campaign on me like I've never experienced.

He filed a Board of Elections complaint against me for voting in 2 states (did NOT HAPPEN). He called the station and jammed the phone lines so legit callers could not get in. He accused me of everything from welfare fraud to kiddie porn in online forums. He ranted about my being a pot smoker! In one response, I told him that was SO FUNNY I dropped my bong!.

There ARE EVIL forces out there using the Web for PSY-OPS and COINTELPRO!!!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 04:52 PM
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2. I agree...remember Nixon
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:03 PM
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10. Nixon and Operation CHAOS
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 07:04 PM by seemslikeadream
...

After Richard Nixon took office in January 1969, Helms continued operations with the assurance that nothing would ever be leaked to the public. But he began to face pressure from two opposing factions within the CIA community.

One wanted to expand domestic operations even more, while the other reminded him that Operation CHAOS and similar activities were well "over the line" of illegality and outside the CIA's charter. To put a damper on this internal dissent, Helms ordered Ober to stop discussing these activities with his direct boss in counterintelligence, James Jesus Angleton. The internal protests continued, however, as White House aide and staunch anti-Communist Tom Charles Huston, pressed for ever increasing domestic operations.

Huston was eager to expand Operation CHAOS to include overseas agents and to "share" intelligence with the FBI's intelligence division, directed by William Sullivan. There were more than 50 CHAOS agents now, many receiving several weeks of assignment and training positions to establish their covers as radicals. (12) Once they returned to the U.S. and enrolled in colleges and universities, they had the proper "credentials."

In June 1970 Nixon met with Hoover, Helms, NSA Director Admiral Noel Gaylor, and Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) representative Lt. Gen. Donald V. Bennett and told them he wanted a coordinated and concentrated effort against domestic dissenters. To do that, he was creating the Interagency Committee on Intelligence (ICI), chaired by Hoover. The first ICI report, in late June, recommended new efforts in "black bag operations," wiretapping, and a mail-opening program. In late July 1970, Huston told the members of the ICI that their recommendations had been accepted by the White House. (13)
more
http://www.serendipity.li/cia/lyon.html



H.E.A.D.S.U.P.--A.C.T. S.M.A.R.T.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 05:18 PM
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3. good post
The other side has these advantages: they're ruthless, duplicitous and above the law. They have virtually unlimited resources, and will stoop to anything, even ruining or ending someone's life.

We have these advantages: justice, the truth, and each other.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 05:22 PM
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4. Question
I am having trouble discerning your intended message.

On one hand, you seem to be saying that you believe that there is a gov't. intent to scare people away from internet use:

-CIA/neo-con goal of chilling the internet
-the internet is a HUGE threat to the fascist propaganda matrix
-stories to discredit the internet
-threat of scary faceless people online
-chill of the police eaves-dropping

But, on the other hand, you seem to indicate that it is a favorite tool of theirs:

-The anonymous internet is a perfect medium for fear-mongering and disinformation
-Consider COINTELPRO augmented by the police-state un-Patriot Act
-(the FBI infiltration of citizen resistance to fascism) is now going full tilt with new surveillance technologies
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 05:53 PM
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8. My message: recognize patterns of propaganda, be safe but not chilled.
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 06:02 PM by JohnOneillsMemory
Yes, it is a complex message. Thanks for requesting the clarification.

Mainstream media propaganda is everywhere. Don't be taken in by it or let yourself be harassed because you've figured out the scam.

My messages are several:

1) Look at how multiple stories tie together to indicate psy-ops, not just the story itself. This is how propaganda works.

2) Celebrate the fact that we are actually a threat to the neo-cons and the CIA enablers who do the psy-ops work. WE ARE POWERFUL.

3) Keep your on-the-ground identity safe. Remember when a woman working on the re-count efforts in Ohio posted her phone number and was threatened on her cellphone and chased by car? Careless and unnecessary risk. Learn from the people who fought for civil rights in the south in the 60s. Don't reinvent the wheel as an activist.

4) Recognize that Democratic Underground is now a front line in the monitoring of dissent AND disinformation as part of the info-wars. This will make us STRONGER by not being intentionally distracted and confused by assuming everyone posting is on our side.

5) Keep doing what we're doing AND be 'strong on defense' by thinking how the ugly the opposition is, not something liberals have been good enough at in the past, unfortunately. Let's change this immediately.


My acronym for
H.E.A.D.S.U.P.--A.C.T. S.M.A.R.T.

Help End A Destructive System Undermining Progress
Americans Can Triumph
Start Manuevering Armed with Real Tactics

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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 05:25 PM
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5. As always, interesting post from JohnOneillsMemory
...may John be vindicated one day.


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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 05:32 PM
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6. I buy it...
I'm old enough to know when to remove the tin foil hat!!!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 05:32 PM
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7. DU is a threat because it gets info and resources out there for the people
The junta has subverted the Constitution, engaged in illegal wars and war crimes resulting in the deaths of countless thousands. They will do whatever it takes to keep the people ignorant.

We need to accept that fact, fight our good fight wisely and expect casualties. Our biggest shortcoming is our tendency to project our own values (truth, justice, non-violence) on others. The others in this little drama have none of the qualms we have about methods. We need to keep that in mind and stop expecting them to play nice.

They have committed too many crimes to just come along peacefully. They will fight to the end. We need to recognize that they will use any tool they can. There are some nasty people out there. Some will pose as your friends.
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 06:00 PM
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9. When truth comes out it is always
looked at as a threat to the ones who are lying. They may try to take revenge but if we keep the truth out there, then we win.
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