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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:59 PM
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'Braveheart' Becomes Role Model for Christian Men

OH SWOON!

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Movies like "Braveheart" and "Legends of the Fall" are on the viewing list for men in a growing Christian movement that calls for them to throw off their "nice guy" personas and emulate warriors.

The book which inspired the movement, John Eldredge's "Wild at Heart," has already sold 1.5 million copies in English and been translated into 16 languages, most recently Korean.

Eldredge believes many Christian men have become bored, "really nice guys" and invites them to rediscover passion by viewing their life's mission as having a battle to fight, an adventure to live and a beauty to rescue.

"The modern era has brought up immense conveniences but at what price. The human heart is desperate for something more than a quicker serving of popcorn," Eldredge said in a recent interview.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=572&ncid=572&e=2&u=/nm/20050122/lf_nm/religion_wildatheart_dc
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:01 PM
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1. That fucking movie was historically innaccurate in the most extreme way.
For fuck's sake, Gibson had the battle of Stirling Bridge WITHOUT A GODDAMN BRIDGE.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:03 PM
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4. Sounds like they want less faith and more fatwa
What's wrong with "nice guy personas"? Is being a warrior now fashionable since the War Pretzledent is "Christian"?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:23 PM
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10. Nice guys who got the point of the Christian message
are not gonna be good Christian Soldiers going off to kill Muslims so the Bush family can get richer.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:02 PM
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2. So that is what the new marketing shift is
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 11:02 PM by CatholicEdHead
Onward Christian Soliders.

Those glassy eyes are very erie.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:05 PM
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7. Makes for a more pliable constituency
It's OK to be a warrior. No, really, now let's git us some Ayrabs.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:03 PM
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3. I thought Iron John addressed this a decade or more ago,
and, when were they ever nice?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:03 PM
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5. That attitude is SOOO!!! 1933 Germany!
And to think that pseudo-spiritual crap like the 'The Way of the Peaceful Warrior' once bothered me.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:27 PM
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26. And we're not allowed to make any parallels
It's too "over the top" they say.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:05 PM
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6. I was going to post something about this woman, but it was so damn
bitchy I censored my own post.



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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:12 PM
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8. Just another part of the new American Counter-enlightenment.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:15 PM
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9. Wasn't Braveheart about a man and his fellow villagers that
fought against the occupying warlords in a quest to be free from their intrusion in their way of life? I mean don't they see the irony in emulating him? Isn't he an insurgent or a terrorists according to their wacky definitions?

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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:27 PM
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11. I'm all for it

Having them run around in skirts or nude-ish colored blue with woad and beat strangers with wooden weaponry...isn't that their secret little desire?

Hey, the best part is: no change in their 'Christianity' is involved. But we already knew that.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:34 PM
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12. LOL well at least that would help to identify them better!
No, Mr. blue-faced kilt wearer, I would NOT like to
do business with you!!!
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:36 PM
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13. "Gott Mit Uns"
Not that there's any point in examining the similarities anymore.

It's all downhill from here.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:02 PM
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24. Shh, you're not allowed to make any parallels
It's over the top, don't you know? /sarcasm
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:37 PM
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14. lolololololololol
it's the drum beaters again

lololololololol

oh golly

lolololololololol
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:41 PM
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15. This is an old tradition...
...upon which Ignatius Loyola and the early Jesuits often drew, the Milites Christi, the soldiers of Christ.

to give and not to count the cost;
to fight and not to heed the wounds;
to toil, and not to seek for rest;
to labor, and to ask for no reward,
save that of knowing that we do your will,
through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Used to say it at school thirty-some years ago.

It was the favorite prayer of some of my contemporaries, one of whom spent a few years right out of college as a teacher at a Catholic school in the then-Rhodesia. One of his duties was to ride in a Toyota pickup a hundred meters in front of the school bus, in case of minea or ambush.

I've never complained about chaperoning dances as a result.

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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:50 PM
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16. Notice the two women on the right and the left side of the swooner...
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 12:00 AM by not systems
they have the V chip in their brain.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:47 PM
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22. Programmed and ready!
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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:51 PM
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17. I was in a Wild at Heart "Bible study" group.
I think I did a nice job of subverting it:evilgrin:

I simply redirected the message. Instead of "become a warrior KILL KILL KILL n00k the terra-ists," I redirected the discussion to a broader, more Christlike "Stand up for righteousness" approach. I then pointed out (some) of how the church has been corrupted by money, and talked quite a bit about Jesus and the moneychangers. I said that's what the book meant instead of n00king and killing.

Then the other fundies in the Bible study got to see me in action when $INclair wanted to air Stolen Honor--I announced a boycott until the "poser" (what Eldridge calls losers) is forced out of office. As they knew how much I just LOOOOOOOOOOOVED Taco Bell (one of $INclair's advertisers, for those of you who don't know), they could only react with "wow."

Now I'm in the process of educating them about the Sauron-like aspects of Walmart. Less killing, more WWJD.:)
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:52 PM
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18. Ahhh just another way for the repukes to justify spousal abuse...
"it was the warrior in me", quoted the moron of 4 and one battered wife.

The police are suddenly going to be making a lot of overtime because of this.
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Ivan Sputnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:05 AM
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19. Ominous
Sounds like they are psyching themselves up for war and more war.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:06 AM
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20. Here's a question: Why don't they admit they "borrowed" liberal ideas?
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 12:07 AM by susanna
I mean, seriously - Robert Bly said about as much with his book "Iron John," now about 15 years old. From the same time period would be Sam Keen's "Fire in the Belly."

Off to read Iron John again after a 12 year hiatus. I'm sure he makes more sense than the burgeoning Eldredge "Wild at Heart" movement. I'll eventually read Eldredge's book, just to figure out how much of the original he actually understood before co-opting it for his own agenda.

edit for clarity
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:07 AM
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21. LOL! Gibson next movie will be about Boudica.
I imagine he will fall from Christian grace with this one. Boudica was a pagan, celtic warrior Queen.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:58 PM
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23. I think they already turned on him
Didn't he say some complimentary words for F9/11 that sent them all into a tizzy?
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:52 PM
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25. Does that mean we can draw and quarter them?
and they'll somehow triumph in their pain?

Am I the only person that finds it creepy that Mel Gibson manages to incorporate graphic images of torture in most of his movies?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:22 PM
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27. Does this mean that those "Promise Keepers" are gonna get off their...
fat asses and run around the woods or something?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:24 PM
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28. Yes and hunt down "evildoers"
Unfortunately that's us, DOH!
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