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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:10 PM
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Only 1000 attend abortion protest.
You'd never think it was that low, but that's what the police projected per CNN. The organizers claim it was 10,000.

Bush called and congratulated them for being there because of "the rightness of our cause."
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:12 PM
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1. if they really believed we're killing babies
they should be ashamed of themselves for being so god damned weak about it.
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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:45 PM
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13. If they believed that we kill babies....
they most anti-choicers would not make exceptions for the life of the mother. Whoever heard of letting a mother kill her child to save her own life?
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:12 PM
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2. That's news you won't hear the echo effect over
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:14 PM
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3. One Thousand Soft Cells
Babies are born... fetuses are not babies.
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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:16 PM
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4. Someone should have been there
handing out adoption literature.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:31 PM
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8. That's as effective as handing out enlistment forms at a pro-war rally
You're asking them to take responsibility for something they consider only tangentially related. See, these jackass hypocrites really don't care too much about what they do or don't do. If it was only about that, they'd have nothing to legislate about.

On the other hand, they care very much what you do, especially if you happen to be a woman of childbearing age.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:18 PM
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5. Are they OBSESSED with the unborn because they have FAILED
to successfully advance the born?

What is their obsession?

Are they afraid Jesus won't have his second coming at the hands of humanity? If so,...where the hell is their faith?

This "obsession" really makes my brain, uh, warp, because there is so much suffering that REQUIRES attention; yet, these people are focusing so much energy elsewhere,...on an existence that may never have come into being EVEN IF a woman chose to turn her body over to the moral arrogants.

:shrug: Maybe, since they feel unable to control what IS,...they obsess with what could be,...over which none of us have control. Are they "escaping" reality by obsessing with a fantasy or magic or the supernatural or what?

I just don't get it.

Someone, please explain these people's perspective.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:25 PM
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7. It reinforces my belief that the entire "prolife" campaign was, and
always will be, in reality, a crusade to control women and their lives.
The old, white men who initiated this crusade have bamboozled some sincere people into joining them, but this is not the true aim of this movement. They are against prenatal health care for pregnant women, post natal care for women, health care for babies, world wide womens health education, birth control, sex education, AIDS relief and many other things that have nothing to do with the "soul" of an unborn child.
This is all a farce. It comes down to man controlling woman...plain and simple. Read: American Taliban.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:31 PM
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9. It's a Power Trip
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 07:33 PM by ultraist
It makes them feel superior to demonize women and other "sinners." Misogyny is one of the driving forces of the ANTI-Choice movement. It's a witch hunt of sorts. Notice how they NEVER mention the father's role in the unwanted pregnancy? Misogynistic attitudes are prevelant in hell, fire, and brimstone religions.

Anti-Choice gatherings remind me of the story, The Lottery, where the town would regularly stone to death someone they decided was "bad." People LOVE to gather in the square and watch hangings. To be controlling and condemning, makes them feel powerful.

It's a convenient cause for them in that they can deny real Science and turn to their bibles to rationalize their postion.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:40 PM
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12. Usurping another's freedom is NOT power. Let's make a law against men.
I've previously suggested this law which would dramatically REDUCE abortions:

Any man who seeks sex must sign a contract witnessed by his partner's best friend which sets forth that his partner approves of having sex and that he is prepared to accept full responsibility of ALL consequences associated with having sex with his partner. Any man who fails to comply with the foregoing will be guilty of a felony punishable with up to ten years in jail and ALL HIS PROPERTY.

:bounce:
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:59 PM
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15. It makes THEM feel powerful to limit others' rights
That's the point. People who are controlling are power trippers.

And while I agree that the men should be held equally responsible, I'm not sure I agree with your specific proposals. The fact is, if the MEN put condoms on, these women would not be dealing with unwanted pregnancies. WHY does all of the blame fall on women?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:28 PM
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17. I was once told by an incredible stuffed shirt of a priest
that a Catholic woman should gladly give her life in childbirth because the baby might be a MALE.

I was 10. I went home and announced to my parents that I was an atheist and that was the end of Catholic school for me.

I know Catholics think unbaptized people, including aborted fetuses, go to a place outside heaven called Limbo and never see god, something that makes it just like their other places of hell and purgatory.

This seems unnecessarily cruel and silly, especially for all those unbaptized people all over the world who live lives more according to Christ's laws than they do.

In any case, that's the reasoning, and I rarely look back to consider it.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:18 PM
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6. Just once I would like to hear one of these guys answer the question
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 07:19 PM by BrklynLiberal
as to exactly at what moment the value of these lives end. Why is it ok to send these same souls off to war, and to be executed? Why is it ok to deprive them of health care, food, clothing and education as long as they have survived exiting the womb alive?
Their hypocrisy disgusts me.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:50 PM
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14. Excellent point!!!! They fail to advocate against unecessary DEATH.
Yet, they obsess with a non-life, a life NOT IN BEING, which they cannot guarantee will have any quality, whatsoever.

:shrug:

Maybe they just can't handle their failure in addressing the human suffering that they witness,...and are compelled to escape from that reality by moving into the unknown (which no one has any control over).

Personally,...I'll never step into that quicksand.

I can dream without pulling the rest of humanity into a nightmare.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:32 PM
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10. That's what pisses me off
A thousand of these fascists turning out for a protest and it gets coverage.

2,000 or more (say ten thousand or higher) of us show up for a protest and it's as if it never happened.

I remember once seeing a report on CBS of maybe 20 supporters of Slobadon Milosovic protesting in Serbia...it struck me as odd that they would cover this and black out any coverage of the tens of thousands of American protesters that were in DC in 2001 protesting Bush.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:37 PM
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11. Meanwhile, over a MILLION pissed off women marched in
Washington DC last year. Doesn't that tell these freaks ANYTHING?

Antiabortion laws kill women. Most women know it.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:00 PM
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16. That is the most frightening component of the ANTI-Choice movement
The FACT that ANTI-choice laws KILL women. Maybe that's what they really want...
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:21 PM
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18. I believe nearly a million marched for choice not too long ago ...
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 09:21 PM by FlemingsGhost
Yeah, go ahead ... fuck with Roe v. Wade, fundies.

Pretty please. With sugar on top?
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