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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:19 PM Original message |
"The middle and upper classes are the revolutionary element in society" |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. Well, the poor are struggling too hard to survive to take time off |
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Comandante_Subzero (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. Class Warriors |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. Not true |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Three points. One his use of "painting the flag red" means, to me... |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Well, |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
4. Nope. |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. While I was rooting like a banshee for Hackett he hardly constitutes... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. My point was that in this case, as in many others, it's the McMansion |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 12:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
44. The Democrats and the Republicans... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 12:24 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. See post #18. n/t |
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Glorfindel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yea, of course... |
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Face_in_the_Crowd (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. I agree to a point |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 07:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
49. Hi Face_in_the_Crowd!! |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. But the only people who really like a slave rebellion |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
8. When you're working 60+ hours a week just to make rent.... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
10. There Is Some Truth To It, Sir |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Thank you! A reasoned reply. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Revolution, Sir |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. It is a serious subject that nobody should take lightly. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. "Things have to have gone horribly, |
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Face_in_the_Crowd (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. "When the great media pacifier is pulled from their mouths" |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Unfortunately Not, Comrade |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. "people were not willing to wage revolution" |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. It Is, Sir, A Question Of Numbers And Proportion |
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Face_in_the_Crowd (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Do you feel this could be the case in the US? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Not Nearly Sufficiently, Sir |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Sadly I agree that an outbreak of disenfranchised middle-class Fascism |
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wli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. I would argue that a fascist outbreak has already occurred. |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. This is mild shit compared to what could happen. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. You Could Argue That, Sir |
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wli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 12:00 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. okay, could you give a more detailed rebuttal? |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
20. These 19th century Marxist social categories |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Hey, what's with the friggin' name, man? |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. The actual Alcibiades |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 12:38 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Cheers, then, mate |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 01:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Watch out for that Pharnabazus! |
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expatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I think in general, Marx understood this "divorce of control" quite well |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. No, of course |
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laststeamtrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
21. Gramsci: organic intellectuals |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
27. This a vanguardist argument, but it's silly at a certain level |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. OT: You've got me puzzled! "alcibiades" and a mystery? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. NEVER!!!! |
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expatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. you've set the bar a bit low.... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Perhaps |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 12:25 AM Response to Reply #27 |
47. Exactly |
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expatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
31. Class warriors are born in the halls of power |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Did you just write that? |
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expatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. It's a "voice" I've developed over the years.... |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-05-05 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
42. It is false on the whole, but has some truth to it... |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
45. Nay, nay, nay! |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
50. Yes, just check out the Persian Gulf, Israel/Palestine |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
51. Khmer Rouges .... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
52. History certainly backs him up. |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 03:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Walter Tyler, John Ball, Jack Rakestraw (nt) |
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Hidden Stillness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
53. Middle Class: Close to the Threat of Poverty, but w/ Leisure Time to Think |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 10:54 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I'm poor and I rise up and rebel every fucking day! |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-05 03:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. That would be called the abyss that is Poverty. |
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