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CrackpotAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:32 PM
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The President's Tone And Demeanor Are Telling:
After watching a few comments and snippets of the President of late, I have noticed that there is something underneath his words. Something odd. Something telling.

His usual boldness\arrogance\blind confidence, or whatever you want to call it when he recites his talking points seems to be much weaker if it is present in his tone at all. Something seems different.

As he spoke to the press today about his economic meeting, he seemed to have a lot of trouble completing sentences. His usual pause was replaced by a much longer and more stutterly pause. His confident smirk that can usually be seen after each sentence was replaced by the gaze of a little boy who knows he may be in trouble, but has chosen to ride it out and see if his mother actually knows that he was the one who stole the bread money.

Something is definitely amiss here. Something has gotten to the great narcissist. But what could it be? Could it be something that we already know? Or, is it something that Will reveal itself like a bomb? I am hoping for the latter.

Does anyone have any hints? Has anyone else noticed this? If so, please comment.
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AussieDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:33 PM
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1. I'll just run down to the corner
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 09:34 PM by AussieDave
and have the local coke dealer deliver some to the ranch PRONTO !!!!
Sounds like his supply has run out.....
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:34 PM
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3. Supply Problems Are Rough!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:44 PM
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10. LOL.. he looks like Neil Young in the uncut Last Waltz...
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:18 AM
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50. It's the lobotomy...his brain/mastermind is too busy lawyering up
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 05:18 AM by linazelle
to prep him these days--and a good thing too. He's coming undone--and I love it.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:34 PM
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2. i can think of a more ill equipped person to run this place
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:48 PM
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16. My guess is maybe he's given the order to nuke Iran?
nt
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:10 PM
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83. Exactly
In over his head from Day 1 and before.

Whoever talked him into this gig needs to persecuted.

I could have thrown a dart at the phone book and come up with a better president. I could have thrown a dart at the list of people getting unemployment insurance and come up with a better president. I could have thrown a dart at a potential list of jurors and come up with a better president.

The problem is that he was able to function ok at a certain level. I would rather have had a complete nut case from the getgo.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:34 PM
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4. Please don't refer to that
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 09:35 PM by notsodumbhillbilly
criminal as the President. :puke:
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:35 PM
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5. He Is Under Seige In His Vacation Home! He Knows there Is No Way Out
without dealing with them!

He is a stress monkey.

It is great to see it.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:36 PM
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6. That's the way he has always been.
He cannot complete sentences coherently, he pauses and stutters, and his confident smirk has always been a front. He's a fraud and needs to go, for so very many reasons.
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 11:18 PM
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39. He has NOT always been like that
Watch this video. It compares Bush in 1994 with Bush in 2004. Diagnosis: presenile dementia.


http://www.adbuzz.com/bushbuzz.htm

Then read this article, which expands on the diagnosis.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/091804Mazza/091804mazza.html
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:11 AM
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41. Thank you. BOth the video and the article are superb and quite
enlightening. I had not seen footage of his earlier speeches. He's so obviously and drastically deteriorated from what he was even 10 years ago - yet it's another case of the emperor's new clothes. NO ONE dares to say it publicly. (And the same was true with Reagan while he was in office.)
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BabboonBush Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:43 PM
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81. Yeah but
didn't Bush's doctors just declare him the "FITTEST PRESIDENT in U.S. History?" I thought there was something fishy about that one.

I think that was after his physical last week.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:11 PM
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101. Must have been a PHYSICAL - not a mental or psychological exam. n/t
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:02 AM
Response to Reply #39
47. Wernicke's Encephalopathy
brain degeneration associated with chronic alcoholism
http://www.medhelp.org/glossary2/new/GLS_4859.HTM
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:04 AM
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60. I'm not a doctor, but I play one on DU...
from what I can see, the hallmarks of Wernicke's are ocular abnormalities, especially involuntary rhythmic movements of the eyes (horizontal nystagmus). I have not seen these in Bush, although they seem to be treatable by treating the thiamin and possible magnesium deficiencies. Further, Wernicke's is defined as of acute onset - Bush's symptoms are gradual.

I still vote for presenile dementia.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:29 PM
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95. LOL..I just liked it because one of the symptoms was confabulation
CONFABULATION - Fabrication of detailed, plausible experiences and events to cover gaps in memory. May occur as a feature of Wernicke's encephalopathy..


I think you are on the money-he is probably on something that causes extrapyramidal side effects(jaw thrusting,etc) to manage it.
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:48 PM
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99. And another symptom of Wernicke's is ataxia
or clumsiness. Hey, anyone notice Bush ever falling off anything?

I would imagine the clumsiness could be due to the dementia.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:15 AM
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49. My God, is that scary
The guy really IS a puppet. Damn that's a scary movie.

Hekate
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:46 AM
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54. I'm just trying to imagine the evilness of the people who...
...knew him best, and could SEE his deterioration, and STILL decided it would be to THEIR advantage to make him "leader of the free world." And if they were not certain before the 2000 election, then they damn well KNEW FOR SURE when they ran him last year.

It's weird -- after all this time I thought I couldn't be shocked by them any more, and here I am just reeling at the implications...

Hekate
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:07 AM
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61. Let's name some names
Karl Rove and Dick Cheney at the top of the list. They MUST see it, especially Rove. Rove must feel Bush is more helpless, thus more pliable, as a result of his degenerative condition. I don't believe in Hell, but there must be some special karmic justice for such a monster.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:15 PM
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103. Rove is a bottom feeder, but Cheney is the monster behind the wars and
other major criminal policies. Rove is not the mastermind of the larger picture, Cheney is and always has been. Rove isn't the PNAC chess-player, he's more of an image and election manipulator. Cheney calls the shots, Rove is supposed to make them look good and keep the lies from being shot down.
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:22 PM
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105. No argument here
I guess I highlighted Rove because he has known Bush longer, but Oily Dick has certainly had plenty of opportunity to take advantage of Bush's mental degeneration to advance his abominable goals.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:10 AM
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62. Thank you for posting that!
I lost all my bookmarks last month for some reason and ever since I've been looking for this video! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! :hug:
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:18 AM
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64. You're welcome
Spread it far and wide!

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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:23 AM
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65. Oh, I've got several people on my list.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:12 AM
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63. argh - make the shitty music stop!
Why do American "documentary style" videos ALWAYS have shitty free music in them?

:nuke:
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:38 PM
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7. I noted it as well
I think he has gotten word that he is about to be indicted for the Traitorgate incidents.

The other possibility is that he has been given his orders by the Saudi's and WTO to put the screws to the American economy.


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CrackpotAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:38 PM
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8. That's all well and good, but:
Something is definately going on.

Please look here:

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/msnbc_bush_crawford_press_conf_050809a.wmv

This goes deeper than the usual W attitude.
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:57 PM
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19. he's got that "jaw clicking" thing going on again
wuwt?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:03 PM
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24. watched it -- something's up for sure, and i think it's on
at least 2 fronts. i say this b/c there's a surrendered quality to his manner. like he got hit twice. if it was just one thing, he'd be defiant. he looked whipped.

probably found out there's no damn way to do iran... no damn way to stop the move to a petro-euro and his economic advisors probably explained to him what that means.

at any rate... something is out of control. it's not drinking. it was devastating, whatever it was.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:52 PM
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38. Whoa
He sure looks like something big has him extremely rattled. There's no smirk and no arrogance either in his words or his body language. His facial droop looks very pronounced in that stream as well. Something is definitely not right in Georgie World.

I'll get the popcorn. :popcorn: Somebody else can get the beverages.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:18 AM
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51. You're right by gawd
where's the smirk?! the swagger, the lecturing arrogance?

Somethings up and its not good for bush-- his face is drooping more---looks out of it (much more so than usual)



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CrackpotAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:07 AM
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58. Great Thoughts Again Everyone! Keep Them Coming! n\t
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #38
102. LOL Exactly my thoughts....
:popcorn: :toast:

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:42 AM
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53. He's been stymied somehow behind the scenes
The usual know-it-all smirk and the unreasonable father-figure are in evidence, but it's overpowered by something else. Rage is my guess. He looks and sounds as if he's just blown a gasket before coming to the podium. Maybe that's what took him a minute to get out there.
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:34 PM
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90. First thing I noticed was the absence of cockiness. He looked a
a beaten man. In the first minute I thought he was on the verge of tears for a second. Maybe stress, maybe something else, but something is wrong. Its written all over his face.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:03 PM
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100. Yeah. He is almost out of it here. nt
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:22 PM
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106. In addition to the manner, there's the fact that he's got a REALLY hard
sell, saying that the economy is better now than it was over the last 30 years (that's what he said for the unemployment numbers) and that there's lots of money in people's pockets. But still, they would have a guaranteed-friendly audience for him.

The man is looking very ill, confused, way over his head. I agree with the others here who say the cocky arrogance isn't there. He's still spewing lies, but not with his accustomed smirking gusto.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:43 PM
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9. Maybe a little indictment from a grand jury has got him worried. nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:46 PM
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14. Woodamnit! Holding my breath!
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:44 PM
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11. Telling you
We have all of a sudden come to it. This is a BIG turning point. Some of what happens in the next 48 is going to be crucial. It's all downhill for him from here. He knows it.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:45 PM
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12. First of all, I can't stomach watching him so I don't
but I'll take your word for it. My first thought would be that since he is now in Crawford, he has probably been on a bender and this is affecting his speech. That combined with his slipping (plummeting) poll numbers, and the wolves circling the camp. And I'm sure he doesn't have a handle yet on Cindy Sheehan who is threatening to make him look an even bigger fool.

Have I welcomed you to DU yet? :)
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:24 AM
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56. I watch him as little as possible, and even I have noticed.
He still reads his lines, but his heart isn't in it. He acts as sick of himself as we all are. Why did he want this job anyway? It's way over his head.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:11 PM
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73. he can be bored and overworked at the same time?
The man's a walking moron -- oops, I meant "oxymoron" -- one minute he whines about what "hard work" the job is, and the next he's dragging around and looking all empty-eyed as if it's dull as dishwater.
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:37 PM
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96. I lose it everytime I hear his phony texas accent voice
all I can scream is "FUCK THE FUCK OFF!"

and then I leave the room or shut it off.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:45 PM
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13. He's only human (I think)-- "it's hard work" being prez, even when
you're a popular one. And he's anything but.

What has gotten to the narcissist? Could be the cumulative effect
of 4 1/2 years of most of the world hating him.

Sooner or later, what you put out there comes right back atcha
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:51 PM
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17. Please don't call Chimpy "the President". It's way too respectful!!
Bush, Chimpy, Asshole, Fuckhead, the Imbecile, or a host of other more suitable names apply in his case.

As far as his speech pauses, maybe his handlers are having a little fun with him and sending him fucked up lines that he receives from that box on his back.
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CrackpotAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:58 PM
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20. I don't agree
A major problem with the President is that he and his constituency are not collectively dignified men and women. I am a dignified man and I don't think that my points would be any clearer should I choose to use the F word.

I am angry, but the President, nor his constituency deserve to hear me lose my cool. Lastly, I think that a point is much better conveyed when spoken properly. Otherwise, our world leaders would wander around sounding like Mr. Cheyney. I would rather not be likened to a despicable man like that!

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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:53 PM
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18. Read or watch Mark Crispin Miller
he would say that this is part of Bush's pathology: he can speak clearer, better, and more forcefully when talking about foreign policy and good v. evil. he sounds flustered and when he discusses other subjects: the environment, education, families, etc.


http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/07/int04037.html

http://www.alternet.org/authors/2048/
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:10 PM
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26. I really noticed that too
after I read The Bush Dyslexicon. If he's talking about "dead or alive" or "smoke 'em out" he doesnt' miss a beat, but ask him about anything else, and it's "er, um, uh, er, um, uh." I really think there is no "there" there.
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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:16 PM
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27. Exactly.
It will also be interesting to see if he does any post-Presidential speaking engagements (assuming we allsurvive that long) and if his troubles continue.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:18 PM
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29. If he does any
it will probably be at wingnut political fundraisers or something. Can't imagine him doing any other kind of "speaking". If not it'll be because he's too busy counting his money!
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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:39 PM
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37. Here's to Halliburton going belly up
and to the Republican fundraising machine falling apart when tom DeLay's nefarious ways are brought to light.

Maybe he can host a bake sale or organize a talent show for the few remainng Repubs, and meanwhile all our social justice programs will have as much funding as they need under President Biden.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:25 PM
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33. can one do speaking engagements from prison, which, if there is any real
justice, is where he and all his admin are going to end up, for LIFE
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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:35 PM
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35. LOL! Word, my friend.
I second that.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:13 PM
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74. and even when it's foreign policy ...
... he only sounds coherent and engaged when he's talking about who he doesn't like, and why. If it's anything like international treaty negotiations, or things which don't interest him -- he just tunes out. Remember how dismissive he was during the 2000 debates, on the topic of nation-building. He didn't even have the time of day for something he regarded as do-gooder liberal time-wasting.
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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:02 AM
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115. That's true.
Good point. The Bastard.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:59 PM
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21. He was like this a lot during the campaign too. He's just a shaky,
marginal character who happens to be President of the U.S.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:00 PM
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22. I think he knows that his well-protected outer bubble is going to
burst eventually and that his world will collapse. I think the Cindy Sheehan issue has him rattled. The war (as evidenced by them losing the Baghdad mayor today) is not going well at all. Traitorgate simmers under the surface. His poll numbers are way way down. His usual aw shucks I'm just a country boy act isn't going to cut it anymore. Good, can't think of a more deserving human to get his due.
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CrackpotAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:01 PM
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23. Thanks for your thoughts, everyone! Keep this thread alive:
I would love to hear more of everyone's thoughts!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:10 PM
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25. notice how he gave a freudian slip on the Iranian issue, saying he gave
them great "exceptions" when he meant to say the opposite. something's up with Iran. also note that rummy went after Iran today for sending weapons to iraq. maybe they've made a threat they can make good on.
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BabboonBush Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #25
82. Right. And Rummy and Rice
are supposed to visit the Ranch tomorrow, right? Only reason I heard this is because that's what Cindy says. This is ostensibly why Bush wants to have them arressted tomorrow, because Cindy will be a "security risk."

NOW...for a question...do you think perhaps this meeting tomorrow will be in regards to Iran? Do you think Bush has gotten the heads-up that they plan to invade Iran? That he will have to get on TV in the next two days to tell the American people?

Boy if that happens, he'll look like a hypster doofus. It could also explain his nervousness since the antiwar movement is growing, and Cindy and friends are at his very doorstep. And there's NOTHING he can do about THAT!!!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:12 PM
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84. you know, whatever it is, it is about iran and the economy
i can't decide if his demeanor would be b/c he has been told he is or isn't going to have a war on a third front. i almost think he'd be more disappointed if he was told he couldn't have another war.

or maybe his economic team told him there was no way the country could sustain another front and he knew his war planners were doing it regardless.

time will tell.

go cindy go!
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:17 PM
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28. Jumpin Jesus Jehosephat!
As bad as this is, it is EDITED for Pete's sake!

And MSNBC calls it "Right Now"

What an idiot.

Gotta love that jaw action.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:19 PM
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30. Yes - just saw the Economy clip....he looked even worse than usual....
He is amongst the few that incite immediate nausea at the sight or sound of the fool. But I had to admit that he may be starting to come apart at the seams...one can only hope.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:21 PM
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31. He's never had a job this long. He's exhausted.
He wants to quit but they won't let him.
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:27 PM
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79. LOL! I think you're right
He's never had a job this long...
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:40 PM
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97. You nailed it. I believe he never wanted it
He was, and still is, way out of his league. This is the most unqualified person we've had as chief executive - and that includes Harding and Reagan.
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Son of California Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:25 PM
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32. a few things
1. I think he's been reading his polls lately.
2. I think he knows eventually Fitzgerald will come out with his findings, and even if no one is hawled off to jail -at the same time, no one will ever trust him again.
3. He knows that no one is going to support a war with Iran.
4. He knows that he should be talking to Sheehan, but everyone in his circle is saying that he can't -Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
5. I think he's figured out that the NeoCons really are nutz and that he's been taken for as big a ride as he's taken the American people on.

but really, I think, deep down he does have something simular to a conscience, and Sheehan is weighing on it like a ton of bricks.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:28 AM
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46. Some good points there,
but I seriously doubt he has anything similar to a conscience.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:22 PM
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113. I agree
good points about the Resident's probable state of mind, but I'd leave the word "conscience" out of it. There really are some people who function in society without a sense of guilt. They have no recognition that they are doing something wrong and they have no empathy for others--what we think of as having a conscience. This may seem hard to believe if you live in a world of generally caring people. If our fearful leader shows distress or discomfort I think it will only be because his agenda is not working out on some level. He will fear only for himself and his inside group, not for the consequences to the country as a whole. Only a personal loss bothers him. This is actually a sad way to be, but usually people like this wreak so much destruction that there is no pity wasted on them.

OK, right now he's stressed and looks a little pathetic,the lack of smirk is very telling. But don't underestimate the commander in-thief's capacity for comeback when he gets another little victory. It is a mistake to give him or his like-minded buddies a single inch. Cindy sees this.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:27 PM
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114. "he does have something simular to a conscience"
Nonsense! People with narcissistic personality disorder don't have a conscience. They look deflated when the world around them no longer supports their puffed up artificial images they have of themselves. Bush has been told "no", and no matter how much he screams he can't have his way, or something cannot be fixed and will get worse, or he's going to jail -- something lovely like that. He's received unavoidable bad news that's shattered his fragile image of himself.

This is good news. Bush will simply come completely unglued now if he's ever in front of a camera and has an encounter with a real person. Cindy Sheehan is shattering what shards of ego-function Bush has left; the woman has stood up to the dragon and the dragon has revealed itself to be a mouse. For this I thank you, Cindy!!! :loveya:
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:32 PM
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34. I think he has an anti-smirk prosthesis
in his mouth that makes it look like coke jaw. Besides that, you would think he has to be getting tired of lying.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:36 PM
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36. he was weak , ineffectual and lied during the 'economy' part of
his tawk.

By the way, he does not ONCE pronounce the word "to" correctly, but says "ta." Lazy through and through: lazy mind, lazy mouth.

But when talking about the economy he used his soft, whisper voice, seemed drained from all their discussion. I noticed his jaw click - he could, besides having damage from drug use, be a bruxer - grinds his puny yellow teeth all night, clenches them when he has to show up for meetings and now has jaw dysfunction.

His lie was saying his unemployment percentage was (whatever - 5% - don't know exact figure) better than in the 1970s. 80s and 90s. When he said '90s' he got that smirky smile, like he beat Clinton. Clinton's number was below 4%, Al Franken has been expounding on this a number of times. bush's math flunkies must be averaging the three decades together, which would put a drag on Clinton's stellar numbers.

Anyway . . .

Once bush took the question about Iran he regained some vigor - because it is that topic that energizes him - the implied threat to cause death and destruction - further ruination of the world. "I ain't done yet!"

I didn't think he seemed particularly more sucky - just during the first part of his tawk, probably because it was about numbers and there's no blood to be had there.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:22 AM
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44. His voice was quite hoarse.
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 12:23 AM by tblue37
About Clinton's unemployment numbers: I remember reading articles in newspapers and even one in Newsweek during the 1990s about how employers were having to offer all sorts of bonuses and incentives to get people to take jobs, because labor was in such demand. Even fast food restaurants were getting into bidding wars for employees.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:43 AM
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68. you're right! I wonder if we could unearth that info - handy to have
when discussing bush's economy

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:16 PM
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93. "90's" would average Poppy's bad numbers(90-92) with Clinton's
good numbers. Just another way of effectively lying while literally telling the truth.
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 11:46 PM
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40. Kick!
for Bush's presenile dementia. See post # 39
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:16 AM
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:19 AM
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43. Add this to what Cindy Sheehan reports of his weird behavior with the
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 12:23 AM by Nothing Without Hope
various Gold Star families, as related by Will Pitt in his article:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/080805I.shtml
(snip)

After Casey's death, Cindy Sheehan was invited to the White House for a visit with Mr. Bush in June of 2004. Her first memory of Bush's appearance that day was when he walked into the room and said in a loud, bluff voice, "Who we'all honorin' today?"

"His mouth kept moving," Sheehan later recalled of her meeting with Bush, "but there was nothing in his eyes or anything else about him that showed me he really cared or had any real compassion at all. This is a human being totally disconnected from humanity and reality. His eyes were empty, hollow shells." Bush called her "Ma" or "Mom" throughout the whole meeting, and never got around to learning her name.

"The whole meeting was simply bizarre and disgusting," Sheehan said later. "designed to intimidate instead of providing compassion. He didn't even know our names. I just couldn't believe this was happening. It was so surreal and bizarre. Later I met with some of the other fifteen or sixteen families who were at the White House the same day and, sure enough, they all felt the same way I did."

(snip)


I suspect he is a sociopath on top of everything else, but whatever he is, this described behavior is truly bizarre. He is not a fully functioning human being now, whether or not he ever was earlier in his life.

edited to add: Recommended. I think it's time to describe this publicly. We have a mentally - as well as morally - deficient individual in the White House. I feel certain that if he were given standardized tests of mental facility and not allowed to cheat (a new experience for him), his performance would be well below the normal range.
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:42 AM
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70. The book "Bush on the Couch" expands on this
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:18 PM
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76. also he has very poor impulse control
Maybe this relates to his overall lack of gravitas (as another poster mentioned earlier) -- he evidently doesn't find it undignified that a US President would make juvenile, off-color jibes at average citizens and foreign dignitaries.

He was unable to contain himself when Cindy's daughter said how much she missed her brother -- shot her one of his famous dirty looks. He can't or won't even bother acting like a grownup.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:18 PM
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86. it's weird
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 08:19 PM by itsjustme
As long as he isn't under stress, he is personable and completely and totally likeable. It is as if he has the whole personality thing going-- he has been able to get as far as he has on just one basic set of characteristics-- the ability to remember people's names, say positive things, and get the accolades he desperately needs. He has gone way past that to some sort of bizarre disorientation. I have no idea why other people haven't been able to see this, at least since the debates.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:26 AM
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45. Oh hell, what does he have to worry about?
He thinks he is teflon and apparently he is! I doubt seriously that he is worried about any consequences pertaining his actions! He has always had problems completing sentences. He is a drunk! Never quit drinking! He knows he stole the bread money and he knows it won't matter because his family will cover his a$$ as usual! He is skating! Not a care in the world! He is the "Pres" and that is according to him "power".
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:31 PM
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71. Actually, 10 years ago he was a fluid and accomplished speaker, even
without notes. See the video clip upthread and you'll be struck with how much he has deteriorated since then:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4300924&mesg_id=4301701

There is something major wrong with his brain.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:21 PM
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87. AMEN
It's called reaction to stress. He wasn't always like this. Shame on those who pushed him into this job!!!!! It should have been evident that he could not handle it.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:06 AM
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48. there is no easy answer... you could be right or he could be scared about
the "truth" and Fitzpatrick getting "close".
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:19 AM
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52. I saw that clip about his economic meeting, and I thought he was drunk.
Either that or over-medicated. He seemed to be slurring his words and he didn't look so good either.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:49 AM
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55. Reptile. Barely able to maintain his human form.
If he doesn't drink the blood of a 12-year-old girl soon, he's doomed!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:29 AM
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57. He's achieved all he can..and might be a bit melancholy
he won't be running for anything again..he can just coast for real this time around..

He's just fulfilling Poppy's term anyway, and others are running the show.. he's the "front man", and he's probaby tired of it already..
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:25 PM
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107. Oh, the House Republicans have a bill to repeal the Constitutional
Amendment that limits the president to two terms. (Sorry, I didin't bookmark that thread and don't have a link.) They want him to continue his great work! If they could dig up Saint Ronnie, they'd have HIM in the WH again. :eyes:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:34 PM
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109. I don't see 3/4 of the states ratification on that one.
:)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:37 PM
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111. Nope, me either. I think it's a sign of just how crazy and out of the real
world the neocons have become that they even hatched that plan. Those guys are BUGNUTS CRAZY. :crazy:

How long will it be before the Poodle Press dares to point out this obvious fact among so many others that are in plain sight and ignored?
***Sound of Crickets***

It's up to us and the alternate media, people.
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CrackpotAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:08 AM
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59. Great Thoughts Again Everyone! Keep Them Coming! n\t
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:26 AM
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66. Noted!!! By coincidence, I just posted this on another thread...
"He was looking down and distracted yesterday when his mug invaded my space via TV. Late in the evening, I realized that the 'news' of their knowledge about Atta and the others on 9/11 has hit the airwaves. There have been a few other times that he's looked/acted in the same way, and every time it's been when there's some uh-oh...KARL!!! news breaking.

First time I recall this behavior was when the Aug. 6th PDB came to light. He was the same way with the Plame and DSM stories.

I suspect they've already had the heads up and CYA briefing strategy sessions. Cindy is on the backburner because they have to put into motion a "it's Clinton's fault" strategy about their knowledge of the Pentagon's classified Able Danger."
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:18 PM
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104. yeah
I think you're right about the priorities there. Compared to some things confronting him, Cindy may be a gnat on his radar screen, easy to ignore.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:29 AM
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67. kick nt
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CrackpotAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:51 AM
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69. Extension of the topic:
Thanks for your thoughts!

Your opinions have left me to ponder the suspicious absence of Mr. Cheyney, Mr. Mehlman, and Mr. Rove from the spotlight lately. Do you think that we are on the verge of witnessing a rather large event that has caused these corrupt and undignified men great concern?

Further, Mr. Rumsfeld seemed lacking in his confidence in reference to his own words yesterday. Do you think that he is aware of some anomalous event to come?

Something is definitely going on here, don't you think?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:30 PM
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108. I am so afraid that there will be (a) a nuclear incident, possibly in this
country - blamed of course on the Iranians, and/or (b) pre-emptive invasion of Iran, possibly by Israel and approved and subsequently supported by the US. Cheney has wanted Iran for a long time, and he's not a man to balk at mass murder.

For more on the Iran/nuke/Israeli war faction situation, which I believe is critical, please read through this thread, including the addtional links in the replies:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4252778#4255314
Thread title: Three extremely important threads on Iran nukes & the Bush agenda

It would be wise of them to pull this newest and biggest crime while Congress is in recess. Easier to declare martial law and take over then. As for Junior, who needs him? He was blatantly out of the loop on 9/11 and he will be in their next staged attack(s) too.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:07 PM
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72. Demeanor -- yes, the more desperate he is, "de-meaner" he gets
His biggest frowns, scowls, and sour expressions come when he's cornered. If he were really secure, he wouldn't mind so much when people disagreed with him (after all, he has the Oval Office and the big plane!). But he still couldn't help giving Cindy Sheehan's daughter a dirty look, when she said how much she missed her brother.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:17 PM
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75. They changed his meds
or cut his coke off.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:23 PM
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77. "by a much longer and more stutterly pause"
Maybe he'll just freeze up solid and we can just cart him off to the junkyard!
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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:25 PM
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78. He's acting the way he did in the debates, after it was clear
that he was losing. He gets more strident. He hunches over more and really stresses his talking points, like a bad comedian repeating a bad punchline. I've noticed the change, too.
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BabboonBush Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:35 PM
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80. I betcha
his brain is fried with all that cocaine and alcohol.

You know, gotta have fun on your vacation, right?
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:16 PM
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85. Maybe he ran out of batteries?
That radio they shoved up his a** isn't working perhaps?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:21 PM
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88. Bush is not referred as "president" on DU.
I'll let you slide this time. :-)
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:30 PM
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89. Ooh ooh...I know what that jawflappin' thingy is..Tardive Dyskinesia
http://www.autism.org/tardiv.html

Accent on the "tard"... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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A Brand New World Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:41 PM
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91. I seriously try to avoid looking or listening to the idiot as much as
possible but I couldn't help but notice that on the news coverage of him signing the highway bill in Illinois that he looked extremely manic. He really, really looked nuts. His face was all red and swollen, laughing hilariously and doing the weird sideways jaw thing. The story I saw didn't have the sound, only the video. It was on Countdown. (The only news show worth watching.) But this country is in real trouble, considering we have a psycho as our so-called president.
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Gay Green Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:42 PM
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98. Or a druggie.
Shit! :scared:
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:06 PM
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92. Kick!
:kick:
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:22 PM
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94. The thing that struck me..
... is that in this video for the first time, Bush** reminds me of his father.

I'm not sure what to make of that.
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:34 PM
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110. He looks scared half to death.
Good. Now he knows how the sane citizens of this country feel when we think about him and his handlers running things.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:18 PM
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112. His demeanor has changed like something important has been decided
He also looks even more unhinged than usual.

I think they have decided on the next 9\11

Patrick "bulldog" Fitzgerald is breathing down his neck & he's running out of wiggle room

Here he is a the Highway bill signing the other day

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