No call list...Lost Jobs...?

I was thinking about this...I hear constantly that if it go's into effect that many telemarketers would lose their jobs...how can this be...?
Only 50+million people signed up on the list...what about the other 200+ million people in this country...they can still call the rest of them can't they...

I mean come on...call them...and leave those of us who signed up alone...

Anyone think that it will go into effect on the 1st...if not how long do you think it will take before it go's into effect...?

no corporation has the right to invade my privacy at any time.

news to me. :shrug:

They are invading my privacy by not identifying themselves on Caller ID.
You don't open the door if you don't know who is on the other side, why would you want to answer your phone without knowing who is calling?

Related to Caller ID but not to Do Not Call:
The Phone companies need to go back and update the Caller ID system with the names of the people who have had their phones for a long time. My in-laws' phone number doesn't identify them because the phone company has never gone through the older customers to enter their names into the system. Not good if they need to call 911.

I fail to see how this doesn't HELP the telemarketing agencies. NOW they don't waste time calling people who don't wish to be called! They can focus their resources on the remaining people who don't mind. It could make them more efficient.

and the phone solicitors make their money on sales, not dud calls. Anyone who takes the time to opt out was not a likely sales prospect.

have been taken to the cleaners by different "telemarketers".

We worked very hard to get them to agree to putting their phone number on the "Do Not Call" list. It's very hard to protect our elders when these people know their numbers and pass their list of numbers of "likely targets" around to other fraudulent telemarketers. If you haven't been exposed to this you have no idea how bad it is.

Some telemarketers, who target this community, know exactly how vulnerable and gullible this older population can be. They know exactly how to separate these people from their money. They collect these lists of people they've conned and they sell thse lists to others.

I know that legitimate telemarketing could be different from fraud but my elderly father doesn't need or want anything that a telemarketer sells. However, he is an easy mark and thinks he's being a nice guy by agreeing to order stuff.

BTW, we have "Do Not Call" here in Tennessee and it's wonderful to have it. We never get those annoying phone calls anymore.

Seriously. Aaauuuggggh.

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give people a good resume, because most burn out and are fired. it is miserable work. Rural states might as well force the poor to take brothel jobs.

she's saving for college. there are 60 people employed there and most are women. probably none of whom would be interested in working on their backs.

Fifty million numbers on the no-call list translates to, probably, closer to 150 million-200 million people. That's fifty million HOUSEHOLDS on the no-call list, not fifty million PEOPLE.

households, not individuals. After all, phone numbers are usually shared unless a person lives by himself. If so, that could be 200 million people. And I'm sure the rest of the population will want to be added, too.

I had two separate registrations, one for my home phone, another for my cell phone.

You are given a printout that says:

"REGISTRATION COMPLETE

You have registered the following telephone phone number in the
National Do Not Call Registry:

(317) ***-*****

The registration will be effective until 9/1/2008

Please print a copy of this for your records."

I refuse to have one myself. Telemarketers call those numbers too?

I didn't get my name on the list because whenever I went to the site to sign up, it was too busy and I couldn't get through. I definitely intend to try again the next time the option is open.

I don't have caller ID and only reluctantly sometimes use an answering machine. The only people from whom I really _want_ to get phone calls are family, friends, or someone offering me a job!

who lose thier jobs in computers and put them to work....on getting rid of spam. A novel thought.

What about all the unemployed computer professionals?
If someone was hiring to get rid of spam, wouldn't they be the first to be hired?

to a salesman. That is why these telemarketing companies are howling -- lots of these people are easy marks, and they are removing themselves from the shark pool. Don't get me wrong -- the opt-outers don't KNOW they are easy marks; they are listing themselves because they really hate getting telemarketing calls. But any good salesman (like my father-in-law) knows that the fellow who puts up a sign on his door that says "no salesmen!" is a prime candidate to sell something to.

Many telemarketers will lose their jobs, so maybe we ought to stop shipping all the rest of our jobs to India. What a novel idea! Keeping American jobs in America! Paying Americans to do American work! Hope it catches on.

Not an "easy mark". Never bought anything over the telephone unless *I* made the call, don't watch QVC, etc.

Same goes for door-to-door salesmen, too.Your F-I-L would waste his time knocking on my door.

When I want to buy something,*I* initiate the process.

I had to chuckle at the TeleMarketers lobbying group who was served up to the media last week...but this weasel deserved it.

He quoted something like 3 million people had jobs in his industry. Not true at all. He was citing ALL telephone-based customer service jobs...like the ladies working the Butterball Hotline or the 1-800 number to stop your VCR from flashing 12:00. These jobs, obviously, are not affected by the Do Not Call list.

This is so typical of "shock and awe" media that has really backfired. Attempting to be an optimist, and one of the first to get on the list, I feel good for once that I'm with that large number in the polls rather than my usual 30 percent or less.

Personally, I don't get irate about telemarketers. I do have that phone service that blocks "unavailable' and other unidentified calls, which gets rid of some. Once in a while, I'll get one from one of my credit cards, and saying, "No thanks" doesn't chap my hide. I just don't hate telemarketers.

Why? Because a lot of the people doing telemarketing are students, the elderly, those on "welfare to work" programs and the disabled. They have crappy jobs - but at least they have jobs. The economy sucks, and these groups have a much harder time finding any job at all, let alone one that pays above minimum wage and has somewhat flexible hours.

Telemarketing is one of those jobs that's hard to outsource; a facility with the language is helpful when trying to set an appointment or sell a product. Customer service is already going overseas - tried customer service at Amazon lately? Customer service is another crappy job, usually not done well, but I'd rather have it being done by surly Americans in America.

In a perfect world, there would be better opportunities for the elderly, disabled, poorly-educated or just-getting-educated. Hell yes. I can guarantee you that if they could, 90% of telemarketing employees would rather be doing a different type of work, but just can't find anything that pays as well (around $7 - $11/hr most places), has flexible hours, and has the kind of work the elderly and disabled can physically endure.

The Do Not Call will cause, according to some, the loss of 2 million jobs. That's quite a blow to an economy that's already hemorrhaging jobs. Doubtless some of those 2 million will be people who lost their 'respectable' jobs in the Bush economy; others will be disabled people who got 'rehabilitated' to a crappy job that was better than starving; no doubt some will elderly people trying to earn enough extra to buy their prescription drugs.

The Do Not Call list is a sweet idea with bad timing. It won't stop the worst of the worst, either: charities and political organizations.

many of the jobs to be "lost" are held by people *outside* the US.

I know there are some Canadian telemarketers, but didn't see any references to telemarketing jobs in other countries (customer service - yes, mostly India).

Certain industry organizations are notorious for overstating the "costs" of business legislation. They are consistently wrong.

Next time a Repub idiot parrots the argument about job loss, look him squarely in the eye and say, "That is the stupidest argument I've ever heard." And then say, "So you're for legalizing drugs, right? Because there must be as many people employed by the drug trade as the telemarketing industry. And you're for prostitution, right? Whores have families to feed too, ya know. Con artists and muggers are just trying to make a living, how dare you take their jobs away?"

What the "job loss" apologists are implicitly arguing is that people should have a right to make money in any way, shape, and form, no matter the harm or nuisance to society. Selling cigarettes to children, dumping toxic wastes in open fields, kiddieporn...if we allowed these things, it would create jobs, wouldn't it? Huh?

It had to be said. I don't think an individual con artist's right to a job should be put ahead of my right not to have any more of my elderly relatives cheated of their money.


con artists should at least be forced to look in their victim's eyes

As I write this it is 8:45 am and I have
not received a call yet. They normally start
every day about 8:15 without fail.

... until THEY get tired of it, and we have 100M+ on the DNC list. (Oh cool... the DNC list. ha!)

Anyway... at that point, the remaining folks will get twice as many calls, and so on and so on and so on.

The transition out of telemarketing jobs will be a slow and gradual process. I'm guessing that as the need decreases, the telemarketing firms can eliminate their bloated workforce by attrition only.

-- Allen

If only they had been required to be honest on the Caller ID, I could have avoided them, but most of them just read "out of area" or "unknown caller" on my caller ID.

One of the calls I hated most was the phone call with no one at the other end. I hope those end. I guess they were getting the computer to take a sampling of who was home at that hour. I wonder how many telemarketing people that company employed? (sarcasm) What could be worse than the phone getting you out of the shower or off the John so you could listen to dead air. I just quit answering the phone unless I was sitting beside it. "Leave me a message and I will get back to you -- maybe".

and thats just the beginningup to 4 million more job loses are soon to follow....it is all part of GOP plan to make people so desperate for employeement that they will join the military for employeement and gratefully fight for the elites greed wars...or else grateful for any job at WalMart where they hand you a food stamp form with your application so that you will be able to "put food on your family" because they won't pay you enough too!!!...we need to wake the phuck up and see beyond the edge of our own noses....it's a hard rain falling

want this do not call list. It had almost unanimous support from
the dems also. If this is a GOP plan then the dems are a big part of it.

John McCain says that this simple 'dont call me' thing has become complex.

Thats exactly the problem, it is NOT complex but the spinmeisters are heck bent for leather to try and paint it that way in order to secure that campaign donation money.

Its really simple. The people demanded it, they were successful in many states and it became popular enough to take it national. The will of the people should not be subverted for a buck.

Cold callers are paid on commission. When they call people who are not interested in purchasing by phone, they waste their own time, not just ours, and they do not get paid one thin dime. Most telemarketers work only a few days and earn absolutely zero dollars.

In any case, working as a telemarketer is just putting your life on hold. I have a friend who was a top telemarketer. When the owner of his last job place was arrested for fraud -- you didn't REALLY think they gave any of that money to the state police or any other charity, did you? -- he commented that every owner, of every telemarketing firm he'd ever worked for, had ended up in jail. My friend decided to go straight and stop defrauding old, confused people for a living (basically these are the only people left who buy over the phone from a cold caller), and in his new career, he earns many times what he made as a telemarketer.

If you are a good salesperson, you are throwing your life away in telemarketing. You could be earning much more money selling almost anything else on commission.


i'll be happy to sell you $5 in cleaning supplies for $100 if you feel the need