I am not buying it, the whole CIA \Plame\ Novak Thing is B.S.

Has anybody noticed how convenient this is bailing out the * cabal and PNAC with the massive failure that is going on Iraq. They are trying to squeeze thru this 87 billion funding after they already have spent 70+ billion on it. Those predictions about them stealing Iraqis oil to pay for their contrived war (invasion) it is going as planed. There is a missing part that though.

The missing part is them having to negotiating with the DINOs enough to make it look like a Bipartisan deal. I kind of get a chuckle at people making a big deal about the CIA and all that stuff. Hope you people know that a good chunk of skull & bones men make their living in the place. This outing thing with Novack and Rove is just a ploy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24935-2003Sep30.html

GOP Finding Iraq War Request a Tough Sell
By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 1, 2003; Page A14


Congressional Republican leaders struggled yesterday to hold together President Bush's $87 billion emergency war spending plan, as momentum built among Republicans to demand that Iraqis repay much of the cost of their country's reconstruction.

The Senate Appropriations Committee unanimously passed Bush's full request for military and reconstruction spending in Iraq and Afghanistan. But the panel put off the tough fights, and even some Republicans on the committee predicted a difficult fight on the Senate floor, especially over proposals to fund Iraq's rebuilding through loans, backed by Iraqi oil.

Before the war, senior administration officials, including Vice President Cheney, said reconstruction costs would be minimal, since Iraq sits on the second largest oil reserves in the world. But the White House has since proposed spending more than $20 billion this fiscal year on Iraq's rebuilding, and Bush opposes efforts to fund that reconstruction through loans. The administration argues the move would undermine U.S. credibility in the region and harm efforts to stabilize Iraq.

Cheney lobbied senators on the issue yesterday, and he was backed by prominent members of Iraq's U.S.-appointed governing council. "Iraq is already burdened with very heavy loans," said Adnan Pachachi, a council member who visited lawmakers.
(snip)

and this is very big stuff... now that does not mean
we should remove our eyes from the 87 B, which reminds me
have you fed your congress critters with a letter or two,
maybe a call?

Oh and yes this is big stuff, people are dying out there and
you are trivializing this...

Now when the hysterical right does it, it is sickening, same
applies here

I thought it was something new.:)

Even though we've been talking about this Wilson story here for the last several months, it is brand new to most people and I don't think most understand it yet.

But, people who don't usually talk politics are talking about this $87 billion and I haven't met one person who's in favor of it.

I think people basically know when they're being had. And they don't like it when you mess with their money.

The Wilson story will take time - most are not paying attention to it and think it's just politics right now.

lot of people are trying to cover it up which means several more criminal laws are being broken. The problem comes in getting a person charged with a crime, finding a court and being able to make witness testify. Being able to stonewall any of it is an understatement.

They may not have planed this long range, but you know they can use it for a distraction. Seems simple to me, domestic things going bad, go with foreign policy issues and visa-versa, makes things manageable when you know the press will suck up whatever you put out. My guess is some already have a plan so they can shed this thing at will.

Let's see, everyone is mad at you for being a thief, so let's start a rumour that you're a murderer to distract them.

Naaaa.

...are parts of the puzzle. Perhaps going after this will let us take a gander at those energy meetings, and let's also review some of that "post-war planning". Let's also look into what happened on Sept 10th & 11th 2001...

He is Chimpco Inc.'s worst mightmare. No way they would bring this on themselves deliberately. The 87 billion is still front and center in the news as well, and A lot of Americans aren't too happy about it.

Things do run concurrently, not serially. As for "convenient", I think no White House thinks that an investigation of itself is anything other than an hairy 900 pound gorilla moving in, painfully likely to uncover a lot of slimy odoriferous doings and shit on everything they are trying to do.

Not to mention the hassles and personal costs of the most guilty lawyering up and starting to gamble their political support on winning things on legal technicalities, the scrupel-free sacrifice of those most easily put into the lines of fire, and the way this White House's Oh So Christian aires are going to get mugged by the previously shocked and awed Fourth Estate.

If anything, this gives Congress even more opportunity to demand Perle's and Wolfowitz's heads on a platter, with Rummie and Condi for garnishes. The WH is just not going to have the political capital to resist it for it. All Congress needs to do is take a line something like "This Administration has now demonstrated that some of its members lie- maybe most of them- and betray the country's best interest for obscure or partisan gains or un-American interest groups, so we expect of them to Clean House of everyone who is now proven tainted with the stench of lying and traitorous abuses."

correct thing. Some of those folks are nearly as bad. Back in the 80s many people thought Ronny was going down big time because of North and Iran\Contra a they even had a democratic congress then. Then with all that went on there we still got a re-election and Poppy bush in the next round.

I am not holding my breath on any thing that comes out of the executive branch, it just has too much fiat after Ronny buttressed it up.

It was a democratic congress throughout the Reagan error and they did let them slip through...and on to Bush...as well

Like most I can't understand the lack voraciousness regarding all these 'actual' scandals...other than an extreme interpretation of the media-industrial complex

to act. That's how it works now a days. W & Co are being tried in the court of public opinion, which they no longer have contol of.

The good thing about the court of public opinion is that the 'trial' will go much faster. The internet will be the courtroom and the people are the jury.

With enough pressure we will soon start to see W deliver a few heads on silver platters. Then a few more and pretty soon he will be reading a remake of Nixon's oval office speech. Ladies and gentlemen of the United States. As of 9:00 AM tomorrow, I will be resigning...

ago-

I found that silly - but Matt Laurer on the Today show with Spector seemed to lend his support to the idea it was a valid point.

So - if it is so important, why did the Dems wait for the Post to run a story befor yelling, rather than 2 months ago when Novak published (comments to the effect that some Dems did yell but were not heard by media will not be heard by media ... :-) )

Tom Daschle. He tells them to play nice and maybe we won't lose more seats.

NOT the correct strategy, and he's going to lose more seats this way than if he rolled up his sleeves and (figuratively) put up the fight of his life and yelled he's mad as hell and not going to take it any more. This Democrat for one wants to see the latter.

We need a new Senate Minority Leader. And I'm sick of Pellosi, too.

If Dean doesn't win the nom, he should move to another state and run for senator and they ought to hand him the leadership position then and there to save the party. We need someone like him to get in there and FIGHT FOR US, not roll over and die (but nicely, oh, we must be freaking NICE!!!)

(just a little frustrated)

So, in order to distract the country from the fiasco in Iraq, the White House created a second scandal? One that leads to a Justice Dept. investigation and front-page stories essentially accusing the Administration of trying to have political opponents killed by foreign governments?

To me, that's like saying that Watergate was created to distract people from the poor economy.

And, again, why do so many people seem to assume that we have to focus on one thing at a time with this Adminsitration. I am not going to spend 24/7 until the next election thinking just about Iraq.

If you will think back, this is actually a continuation of the war-based-on-lies scandal that they've so far managed prevent coming to full fruition.

They lied about the yellow cake from Niger. Wilson called 'em on it. It looked big for a while but died down. Now we have Intimigate opening that wound back up. Not only is that old wound re-opened but there is a new one right next to it.

It's all relative. All the same scandal, just different chapters.

Julie