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Kevin Spidel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 03:39 PM Original message |
A classist/racist tragedy... |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. The only thing that outshadows epic proportions of gross negligence |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 07:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
73. The same paradigms and dynamics |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. I've been thinking the same thing . . . the lack of adequate response . . |
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toopers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. This has nothing to do with racism. |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. But it does have to do with racism |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
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Kevin Spidel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 03:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. its lack of resources... and institutionalized racism... |
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toopers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. That's bunk. |
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Kevin Spidel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. care to expand versus just "bunk" n/t |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
37. It is not |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 08:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Agree entirely.... |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 03:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Actually it does....institutional racism my friend. |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Arn't poor whites |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. The looting dynamic is similiar to a peasant revolt ,IMO |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
48. Similar to rioting... |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 08:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
84. Yes, and the pattern goes all the way back |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 08:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
86. See you're right in your analysis where the "Git yor hans off my stuf!"... |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 09:31 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. YES |
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toopers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 08:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
78. Actually, I have seen pictures of poor white people in NO. |
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Kevin Spidel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. looting comes from a sense of injustice |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
38. Yeah, I don't know if you saw it, but I thought this was a terrific |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 08:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
83. Link is a nominating thread link or something. |
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toopers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 08:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
80. That is BS. |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. BS. They left those people to die because the majority were Black & poor |
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RageFist (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
41. If it was in an area populated with wealthy whites |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. Can you explain then why the Lakefront, which is full of "wealthy whites". |
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RageFist (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:55 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Well, I did edit it to say wealthy PEOPLE |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 09:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
90. NOLA has a poverty rate more than double the national average |
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mn723 (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
49. This claim is based on what? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
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toopers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 08:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
81. NO city leaders are predominantly african-american . . . |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 08:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-05 12:25 AM Response to Reply #3 |
96. Read the post again- it has EVERYTHING to do with racism AND class-ism |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. Don't apologize for saying it. You are correct |
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confludemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
34. It's true, Int'l news simply showing what we won't show: the clear racism |
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Orion The Hunter (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
5. Excellent post |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-05 01:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
102. It's obvious what their therapy for diabetes would be. |
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dejaboutique (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
12. great post |
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mn723 (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
13. Be careful |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Reverse racism? |
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mn723 (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. Gov't imposed quotas on minority participation |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. Affirmative Action is not quota based |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 07:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
75. What quota? Quota's are not legal. |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 09:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
92. What happened is down to classism. |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
47. Yes, I'd like to know which ones he's talking about too. n/t |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-05 12:43 AM Response to Reply #47 |
100. totally agree |
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Kevin Spidel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. wow... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
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mn723 (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. My point was missed |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 07:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
76. Real simple my friend...who was left in Louisiana? |
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tedzbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
58. Survival of the fittest???? |
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wildeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
62. Oh give me a f'ing break, |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 07:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
74. LOL..I don't know if I am more underwhelmed by the social darwinism |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 07:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
77. Oh, no! Not bleeding heart liberals! |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-05 12:30 AM Response to Reply #77 |
97. stones don't bleed- i'm not ashamed to care- I'm ashamed of those who |
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Bryan Buchan (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
15. Not only do we need to look at evac plans... |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
16. Not by Malice |
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Kevin Spidel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. probably one of the better points... |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
55. Yeah, Kevin, but Omission is just as deadly |
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Kevin Spidel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. agreed. but this one made me think. But... |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
17. dupe |
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ecoflame (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
19. You are right on the money |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
21. Thank you for saying it |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. It's not so easy to leave without a car or cash, is it? |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
29. NOMINATED. This is an EXTREMELY important point |
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Kevin Spidel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. thanks, maybe the votes will spur more discussion on this issue. n/t |
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terip64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. kick |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
30. paycheck to paycheck |
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RageFist (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Wait, isnt' the economy booming? |
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terip64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
31. I don't have enough posts to nominate |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
32. I'm gonna say it and prepare to be slammed |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 09:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
91. You are exactly right, Horse |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-05 12:33 AM Response to Reply #32 |
98. TRUTH-spoken with eloquence . couldn't agree more on all points n/t |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
35. I'm glad you felt compelled to post this. |
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RageFist (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
36. There was also a gross lack of coordination |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
40. excellent point Kevin, couldn't agree more... |
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Kevin Spidel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. and unfortunatly the clear lines are marked in "death" n/t |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Never thought the life & death part would happen so fast... |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. But it is ever thus |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 09:10 PM Response to Reply #61 |
88. you nailed it ! |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #61 |
89. you nailed it ! |
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Kevin Spidel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. ohh .. and HI DR!!!! |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Hi Kev, miss you too.... |
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corkhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
50. Just when I think Smirky Guitarzan is going to hit single digit approval, |
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wildeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
54. They knew that some day NO would be hit and hit hard. |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
56. Biloxi vs. Nawlins |
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wildeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. I think the continuing flooding in NO is partially what is fueling |
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HEAVYHEART (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
60. Nominated |
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Robbie Michaels (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
68. Someone Had To Say It |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 06:54 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. they were mobilized, wearing their desert outfits, in the green zone |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
69. ttt n/t |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
71. kick |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
72. All those people should have been evacuated by neighborhoods |
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tlsmith1963 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
82. I completely agree |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 09:57 PM Response to Reply #85 |
94. what does any of what you have to say have to do with natural |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-31-05 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
95. Exactly. Without money, a credit card, a car and a driver's licence, |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-05 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
99. Bernie Ward was just talking about this |
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Kevin Spidel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-05 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
101. thank you all... |
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