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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 05:56 PM
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Black Box Voting: Latest Diebold Lie
Edited on Thu Oct-02-03 06:39 PM by BevHarris
AP Wire story -- "None of the elections officials who supervise the 50,000 touch-screen machines serviced nationwide by Diebold Election Systems has reported glitches or hacks that have resulted in known miscounts or fraud, said Mark Radke, director of the voting industry division of North Canton, Ohio-based Diebold."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/10/02/state1428EDT0094.DTL

Go here and download Chapter 2 for more http://www.blackboxvoting.com -- There are at least 15 that are problems with Global Election Systems/Diebold. But here's one example:

(Page 44)

"April 2002, Johnson County, Kansas -- Johnson County's new Diebold touch screen machines, proclaimed a success on election night, did not work as well as originally believed. Incorrect vote totals were discovered in six races, three of them contested, leaving county election officials scrambling to make sure the unofficial results were accurate. Johnson County Election Commissioner Connie Schmidt said that internal checks revealed that the system had under-and-over-reported hundreds of votes. Schmidt said the voting machines worked fine, they just tabulated wrong.

"The machines performed terrifically," said Robert J. Urosevich, president of Diebold Election Systems. 'The anomaly showed up on the reporting part.'

"The problem, however, was so perplexing that Schmidt asked the Board of Canvassers to order a hand re-count to make sure the results were accurate. Unfortunately, the touch screen machines did away with the ballots, so the only way to do a hand recount is to have the machine print its internal data page by page. Diebold tried to re-create the error in hopes of correcting it.

"'I wish I had an answer,' Urosevich said. In some cases, vote totals changed dramatically. (footnote 78)

"78 - The Kansas City Star, 5 April 2002; "Election errors unnerve Johnson County official"
"

- According to Diebold spokesman Joe Richardson, no patches were done in Georgia. According to the secretary of state's office, program modifications were made to 22,000 machines.

- According to Diebold press release on the SAIC report, the SAIC report showed Diebold's election system to be one of the most secure ever. According to the Washington Post, the SAIC report exposed 328 flaws.

- According to Diebold CEO Wally O'Dell, they are never hooked up to the Internet. According to their manuals and their memos, they did.

- According to Diebold, they had no indication of any security breach because of their FTP site. You'll see. Chapter 8.

And now, according to Diebold, there has never been a known miscount on their machines.

Oh, that's right: The machines counted correctly, they just got the wrong totals. (I feel better now.)

Bev
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:01 PM
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1. OOps
I wrote my letter to the editor on that one.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:05 PM
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2. Rachel Konrad, the writer, is one of the good guys though
She has really done a good job of getting this story out. I spoke with her on this; she said she definitely does not want to give them a platform to lie. She's downloading the chapter now also.

I'm glad a letter to the editor went out. By the way, I think the Kansas City Star article is on the web somewhere. If someone finds it, might want to post the link here.

Bev

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KC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:30 PM
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9. Kansas City Star article
Posted on Fri, Apr. 05, 2002

Election errors unnerve Johnson County official
By ROBERT A. CRONKLETON
The Kansas City Star

Johnson County's new high-tech voting machines, proclaimed a success Tuesday night, did not work as well as originally believed.

Incorrect vote totals were discovered in six races, three of them contested, leaving county election officials scrambling to make sure the unofficial results were accurate.

Johnson County Election Commissioner Connie Schmidt said Thursday that internal checks revealed that the system had under- and over-reported hundreds of votes, sometimes for write-in candidates

snip

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/3000664.htm
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:35 PM
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12. Thanks!
Gee -- does KC stand for Kansas City?

Thanks for the link!
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KC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:41 PM
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13. You're welcome
No, KC is just a nickname I've been stuck with for years

I'm in NC :)
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:07 PM
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3. Why lie small when big lies pass so easily...
- or -

Lies on page one, corrections in the Letters to the Editors
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:12 PM
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4. Hmm, wish I could remember what Kathy Rogers was saying
when we last spoke (cough) about Johnson County, KS. Seems to me she was using that example, not fully described, in her argument against paper ballots.

Yeah, let's not have paper ballots. So messy and inconvenient actually getting the count right.

Eloriel
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:30 PM
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7. Johnson County doesn't have paper ballots
They've got the same touch screens as Georgia. (Which had the same screen freeze / clock fix problem, by the way -- check Brit Williams statement, when he indicates that only happened in Georgia).

I spoke with Connie Schmidt last spring. She was adamant that the machines must have a paper ballot, but she had accepted Diebold's b.s. about the individual printout the machine does (after the fact) being sufficient.

Well, when they went to get the count from the touch screens, it didn't match GEMS.

Funny thing.

But Mark Radke says there has never been an error. (Okay, it didn't miscount, it mistallied). (!?!?!)
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:23 PM
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5. I fear that the only way we'll get the touch-screen voting machines
nullified is if Bush is trounced overwhelmingly despite the efforts of the Right.

You would have the "liberal media" constantly calling for an election "do-over".
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:25 PM
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6. Amazon cannot get the BBV book?
bev, what's going on with Amazon ?
___________________________________________
Greetings from Amazon.com.

We are sorry to report that we will not be able to obtain the following
item from your order:

Bev Harris "Black Box Voting: Vote Tampering in the 21st Century"

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since found that it is not available from any of our sources at this
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Thanks for shopping at Amazon.com, and we hope to see you again.

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:30 PM
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8. Just got the same email a few minutes ago...
Your book is still on the site. I'll see if I can reorder...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:33 PM
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11. They took the new order...
Edited on Thu Oct-02-03 06:34 PM by Junkdrawer
It now says: "usually ships in 11-14 days". Let's hope that was why they canceled the first order.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:31 PM
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10. News to me.
Edited on Thu Oct-02-03 06:33 PM by BevHarris
We'll check into it.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:35 PM
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17. Amazon is as competent as Diebold
Which is why you order straight from us, your friendly neighborhood publishing company.

http://shop1.got.net/plan9/Search.bok?category=Black+Box+Voting

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:56 PM
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19. cut them some slack
I'm sure if the book existed, they would gladly fill the order.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 10:19 PM
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20. Amazon generally does not carry any title not already in its warehouse
except for major accounts. We didn't expect them to carry the book until it shipped; that is standard procedure with them for mid-size and small publishers.

They called us and advised us of orders, and they made an exception to list the book. That's why I think this is just a computer glitch - it went whaaa??

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:46 AM
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23. Some people never give up...
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 01:45 AM
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24. Just for you, Cocoa, we put Chapter 3 and Chapter 4 up early
Remember, Chapter 1-2 were due Wednesday and we had them up Tuesday night. Chapter 3-4 were due up Friday but we got them up Thursday night.

Just for you, Cocoa, I'll try to have Chapter 5 and Chapter 6 up by noon my time Tomorrow, 3 days early.

And thank you for being so supportive. How do you like the book -- or have you bothered to read any of it?

Bev
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:43 PM
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14. Looking for the article. I love Google
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/3000664.htm

Posted on Fri, Apr. 05, 2002


Election errors unnerve Johnson County official
By ROBERT A. CRONKLETON
The Kansas City Star



Johnson County's new high-tech voting machines, proclaimed a success Tuesday night, did not work as well as originally believe
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angka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:46 PM
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15. they're just hoping the news cycle will cover their lying asses
this is too obvious. nobody's gonna buy such demonstrable bullshit.

as audacious as the present administration's lies, which i do not believe is a coincidence...
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4dog Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:31 PM
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16. Glad you are finding time to post, Bev
I thought you would be chained to the word processor.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:37 PM
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18. Actually, I have her on the phone
as we are going over the chapters making last minute changes. We someone has to put the other on hold, we check the latest news.

Afterwards, I chain her back to her computer and disconnect her modem.

<g>

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:35 PM
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21. Front page, please
kick!
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:32 AM
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22. Not to hijack the thread...but
Bev I am glad to see you back in the saddle again.

:hi:
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