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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:31 AM
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How to talk to your conservative brother-in-law (Michael Moore)
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 11:32 AM by wyldwolf
There are a lot of fair-minded, pretty decent Republicans out there, believes Michael Moore - approach them in the right way, and they're ripe for conversion. He tells how in the first of our extracts from his brilliant new book, Dude, where's my country?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,1054430,00.html

For the few of you who still hold some faith in Me, let Me assure you of the following:

1 I am the Lord thy God and he is the Son of George, not the Son of God. I will have him spending eternity parking cars in Hell's VIP lot as soon as I get my hands on him.


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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:38 AM
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1. Well
With all due respect Moore is hardly the person that right wingers will isten to.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:41 AM
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2. he's giving liberals comedic lessons on how to talk to conservatives..
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 11:42 AM by wyldwolf
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:55 AM
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7. hardly the person YOU would listen too either
and besides... he ADMITTED to that he is talking about CONSERVATIVES!

and i know PLENTY of DAMN GOOD ONES livin up here in NH.

where do you hail from?

i think you are being mighty persumptious and spinning to boot.

:hi:

peace
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:42 AM
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3. Well
With all due respect Moore is hardly the person that right wingers will listen to.

And also I find point #8 offensive. I am proud to be an American. Why is it so wrong to ask God to bless America?

I find the whole article to be filled with nothing but arrogance and self-righteouss. Moore does make some good points, but frankly he only confirms the (perceived) self-righteous and snobbery that people associate with the left.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:46 AM
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4. I found that one hilarious
It's so very American.

He's right. No one else says it.

No one else finds it necessary!
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Fixated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:55 AM
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6. ...
Plenty of other countries have similar sayings. I didn't really like that one either, even though I'm an atheist, he's going to get nailed for it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:57 AM
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9. GOOD! I want him to get "nailed" for that and everything else..
..I want folks to say, "Well, I'm just going to have to read that book and see for myself!"

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:00 PM
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11. No we don't
'Almost half of Americans (48%) believe the US has had special protection from God for most of its history.'

No one else thinks of themselves as the chosen country. :D

Other countries figure you have to earn it.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:56 AM
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8. Your one to talk about
arrogance and self-"righteouss", and you calling Michael Moore a snob...I'd say that is the pot calling the kettle balck.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:58 AM
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10. redundant and spoken like an articulate WINGER
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 11:58 AM by bpilgrim
perdictable

he reminded me of YOU on a LOT of his points to be FRANK... maybe that has something to do with your HATE :shrug:

peace
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:16 PM
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12. too much bush limbaugh jac....
stop listening to that pap...
the entire human race has invested massively in the USA so everybody gets to be 'proud' of it, not just bushevik cow eaters....the piggy class wanna hijack it (just like they hijacked every goddam revolution humanity could put together!) so let's be reasonable here(!)
we all americanadianermexicans too
The only ones who don't know this are the spotted owls like novakula and the misses mathews/oreally etc....
and fuk english (:-))!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:53 AM
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5. that was a good one about the proposed lib 'radio network - lol
but we gotta start somewhere :shrug:

and isn't gore looking into a cable network?

but i do a gree that we could do a whole lot more with the INTERACTIVE MULTIMEDIA WORLD WIDE web ;->

wonder if he has ever been to GFP =)

peace
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:45 PM
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13. President Oprah?
No thank you. I found the bit as God a little off-putting, too, even though I don't believe in the man-god and agreed with what he said. I think Mike should have spent more time on this one. Now he looks like just another opportunistic asshole who's grabbed a podium and is using it while he can.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:55 PM
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14. This is really good, read this
http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,1054430,00.html

I've come up with a bunch of suggestions for how we can enlarge our majority by reaching out to our RINO friends and relatives. Some of them will require a bit of humility on your part. Many of them, I'm convinced, will work.

1. First and foremost, assure your conservative friends or relatives that you do not want their money. You do not want them to make less money, nor do you want them to lose what money they have.

2. Second, every political argument you make must be about them and for them. They base every decision on "How does this benefit ME?" Instead of fighting this self-centredness, just go with it, embrace it, feed it.

3. Journey into the mind of the conservative. What you will encounter is fear. Fear of crime. Fear of enemies. Fear of change. Fear of people not exactly like them. And, of course, fear of losing any money on anything.

Tell him how dependable conservatives are. When you need something fixed, you call your redneck brother-in-law, don't you? You yourself can't fix a damn thing - and neither can any of your whiny liberal friends. Also, when you need a job, who hires you? The conservative who owns the business, that's who. And if you need someone beaten up, that bully who's been picking on you, you certainly aren't going to ask your uncle at the Unitarian church to do it for you. You never know when you're going to need that conservative relative.

5. Admit that the left has made mistakes. Ouch. This is a tough one. But, if you admit that, on occasion, you have been wrong, it's easier for the other person to consider what they have been wrong about, too.

Drugs are bad. They fuck you up, slow you down and ruin your daily existence. Even though Nancy Reagan can kiss my ass, you really should just say no.

It's really a bad idea to have sex before you're 18. OK, maybe I'm just jealous because I had to wait until I was 32. None the less, the price to pay for teenage sex is pretty high - unwanted pregnancy, disease, and ending up with one ear bigger than the other because it's always cocked toward the front door in case the parents come home early.

People who commit violent crimes should be locked up. Dangerous people should not be out on the street. Yes, they should get help. Yes, they should get rehabilitation. Yes, we should look for ways to reduce the root causes of crime. But no one has the right to assault you or rip you off, and if you can't bring yourself to show at least an ounce of outrage against those who would harm you, then you just look like a wimp or a nut to most normal people. In fact, I want to assault you right now.

Not all unions are good and, in fact, many of them are just plain lousy. If you belong to one of the lazy, ineffective unions who are in bed with management or Bush, then you need to get your sorry ass down to the next union meeting and run for office.

Getting back to nature is a dumb idea. Nature doesn't want you anywhere near it. That's why nature created cities.


Nixon was more liberal than the last five presidents we've had. His administration opened up a dialogue with China. He was instrumental in establishing affirmative action in hiring and protecting the rights of women. He was the first president to sign agreements on nuclear weapons control. Nixon was responsible for the 1970 Clean Air Act. He also attempted a type of welfare reform that would have guaranteed an income for the poor. Nixon still should have been run out of office, and the millions of dead in south-east Asia will haunt him throughout eternity. But to think that he was the last "liberal" in office just makes me want to puke.


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