The New American Revolution Starts Now

California is lost, so who do we blame?

Is it Davis' fault, should he have resigned early on?

Is it Bustamante's fault, did he run a dead-dog campaign?

Is California's fault for being blind-sided by the right?

If it helps to blame someone, if it helps to personlaize the issue, then blame Bush. I don't care if he is directly responsible, but he is certainly a part of the overall problem.

Blame Bush, but dont harp on this issue, just use that directive to focus all of the negative emotions we have right now, and aim it towards an issue that will serve us all well into the future - the ousting of George W. Bush, his neocon hoods, the religious right, and the ditto head freepers.

I believe that there is an enourmous amount at stake, and here's why--

We are in the midst of a war. It's not a civil war, because it's not civilian against civilian.

This is the war of the powers over the people.

This isn't a battle fought with guns, it's a battle fought with computers, typewriters, and radio waves. It's a battle of information, and my friends, we are losing that battle.

We are losing because we are in this war, and we didn't even know it! Well, some knew it, perhaps, and many more are becoming aware of this war as the votes are tallied in California.

Now we need to focus on our mission, with all the energy of a soldier in combat. The analogy is appropriate.

I propose we start a new forum here at DU, one concerning tactical operations, or whatever the proper term would be. A forum where we plan information attacks on the right, where we organize and train, a base for our operations. We have GOT to organize a real Democratic Underground, a force not unlike the French Underground in WW2.

If you are interested, please respond here or PM me. so we can present it to Skinner. We need military minds, computer programmers, activists, radicals, graphic artists, anything and anyone you can think of... Everyone on my ignore list is currently off, and I want to talk to anyone and everyone that wants to help.

Will Pitt, we need your help, your words, and your voice. Jaicinto, I've heard you suggest something similar in the past, are you still up to it? Anyone! Please close ranks today, lets work togther!

Let's get it together here. If we do, the Democrats of the future may look back at DU with the same respect with which we look at Thomas Paine and his Common Sense.

If we do nothing, there may not be any Democrats in our future. Are we ready?

please read it...

redouble efforts to end BushCo
shake off tonight
or goto bed and wakeup to fight tomorrow *best idea!*

Double the efforts!

Tell a DU friend, let's use this to become closer, work harder!

Everyone should write to the media (especially cable) and put them on notice that we are looking for the alternative and when it comes they will be out of business. They need both parties to support their advertisers so we must abandon them. We need to start compiling a list of Dem products and only support them. We will win the war, but we must plan to do so!

But we have to organize to do it.

MoveOn, are you here tonight???

We are not being heard. I know ,I know bitch about the media. Let's do what we CAN do. Put the bumper stickers on. The educational ones. The ones that list the lies. Do not offend those who may have loved ones in harms way. Put up educational signage. Advertise the no-overtime attempt ,advertise the cuts in headstart, Advertise the no action on health care, 80 billion would buy a lot of health care, NO WMD , Wheres Osama ...

If the media won't educate maybe we CAN.

on this thread. Just an observation. I guess we'll all just keep leading our own revolutions:)

All revolutions begin with one's self.

"YOU must be the change you wish to see in the world..."- Gandhi

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Don't lose hope!

Address your problems with a professional, and help here at DU so we can build a better world for you!

I can't stand the idea that they would win that way too. I'm not going to tell you what to do. I'm just telling you I can't stand the idea of injustice, and that would be a serious injustice. White light to you!

-Lori

A war of thoughts and minds, a war of informations and issues.

Welcome to DU, welcome to the revolution!

A war of real information and real issues alone is doomed to fail. The Texas Fascist Party carries elections by drawing the hordes of stupid white men who are itching to 'get even' for decades of imagined slights. Arguing issues with these people is pointless.

These people are not interested in issues, social justice, or even the fact that the US government will go bankrupt in a decade. All they want is to get back at welfare mothers, blacks, Arabs, immigrants, liberals, feminists, and intellectuals for shrinking their paychecks and threatening their masculinity. They are a nation of psychopaths created and sustained by right-wing hatred and are utterly beyond the limits of reason.

The way to approach this vital segment of the electorate is not with issues but rather with propaganda. Speak to their hatred and direct it not towards the goals of the Texas Fascist Party but rather against them. Make them hate not liberals for raising taxes but rather offshoring that deprives them of their jobs. Make them hate big government which takes from hard working people such as themselves and gives it to the rich. Chanelling hatred, not addressing issues, is the challenge for resistance propagandists.

Propaganda is infornmation, presented in a specific manner.

I'm not looking to have a meeting with the Repukes and send out a memo afterwards, I'm talking some serious tactics to change the minds of the voters, and put these bastards in jail.

These people are not interested in issues, social justice, or even the fact that the US government will go bankrupt in a decade. All they want is to get back at welfare mothers, blacks, Arabs, immigrants, liberals, feminists, and intellectuals for shrinking their paychecks and threatening their masculinity.

But they do believe that the U.S. is capable of finding unending resources in order to keep getting bigger and stronger. If they really believe the supply is endless, why do they not believe that there's enough for everyone... even the welfare moms?

I think that the problem is that they believe that the welfare moms haven't earned their welfare. IOW, because the welfare moms are perceived as not working, they are perceived as not deserving. Somehow it's not enough to be human. One needs to be a working human.

Maybe we need to show them that they also deserve some social justice? And we would like to work together with them to get that?

Welcome to DU! I'm on your list!

:hi:

I'm not looking for a donation of Cash!

All I want is your Democratic Heart!

but I'm on the east coast and have to get to bed. You should too.

We need you rested. But, rest assured that I will be on you tomorrow 'cause I'm going to be a hard ass recruiter for this. :-)

Need a college radical? I get compliments on my wargaming strategies all the time from military men. I may not be professional military per se, but I have been complimented on my tactics and strategies before. I'm game for this war, I'll do what I can to get as many students as I can together from my campus for activism. Lets do it!

And I say we leave the Dem candidates out of this, for now, what do you think? Trying to collar one candidate would turn this into a candidate vs candidate campaign issue, which is not what I think we should do.

This needs to be more basic, more grass roots, more an issue of democracy than of personality.

Where do you go to college?

Heartland of Republican California. But if there is trouble in the enemy's backyard it should make their lives difficult elsewhere. Cannot campaign beyond your borders if you are suffering from civil unrest at home. That and given enough time I could probably be able to get in touch with other campuses, set up a coalition of students against Bush, keep the iron hot! It will take time, but it will be worth it. I'll start the organizing tomorrow for gathering people for the October 25th protests and use that as a base to work from.

Until then, you may not see anything of Vietnam-era magnitude.

Give me time and it will work. And I have plenty of that my friend.

we just have to make it seem personal, so the threat of Bush, Inc feels real to them.

People who respond to nothing else will respond when they are personally threatened, and a fascist Bush is the biggest threat this country has seen, IMO.

Oust him, and you just put the neocons into free-trade-pillage mode while their DLC president prepares a de-regulatory red carpet for the next wave despots 8 years from now.

You also create a public impression for several years that something was actually accomplished.

People need to be pulled in a large-scale reevaluation of society, and identify the enemy at an ideological level, smoke-out the billionaires behind the politicians, then get them behind bars or at least tar and feather them.

You also need a companion movement that will creatively and ethically fill the void that arises... Vision and something inviting to work for are just as important.

For the Revolution!

I'm in!

Any thoughts on how you can help?

Not yet, but I didn't attend Berkeley for nothing.

Thanks for the welcome!

Ever walk up the canyon past Stawberry Fields and listen to the concerts echo up over the trees? What's that museum up there? The one with the big whistling tubes planted in the ground?

You were trained to be a radical! Glad you're here!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

we need as many minds as possible!

DU is a great place, but it would be too easy to be infiltrated and contaminated here. We need someplace online that is well-encrypted and secure from prying eyes to do our serious planning. We also will want to get in touch with ANSWER and MoveOn, work with them, maybe set up some kind of rebel high command.

Contact ANSWER, I'll contact MoveOn, let's keep it simple at first, give them only a general idea of what we are working for, so we don't paint ourselves into a corner.

Let's let this grow as it builds, right?

I'll let you know what they say in response. In the meantime, I'm going to start getting ready to do recruitment here in the three colleges in my area. I'll start with mine and after the October 25th protest and the solidification of our organization here, we will begin to push outward to other colleges around here in SoCal. Anyone else on here going to college? Please do what you can at yours. We will need all the help we can get!

Agree that we need another place. Don't know yet what I can contribute, but I can do SOMETHING!!

Your messages are out there for everyone to see...only people who have indicated an interest in what you are saying. It is much harder for the enemy to stay on top of what we're saying.

www.infobeing.net

I get to be called by a nickname, Che...Che something, then I am in!

You wanted Che something...

Power to the people!

:-)

I know you want to stir the pot, stay and help whack some Bush, the revolution started today.

What do you say?

when? where? I'll be there...who else will?

Get in HERE! Welcome to the New Revolution!

What can you do to help? What are your thoughts? Where should we begin?

Three things are needed most:

Organization

Money

A means to distribute propaganda

These are the three pillars of every political movement. Popular flows from these pillars rather than vice versa.

As it stands, the Texas Fascist Party is extremely well organized, very well funded, and has a near monopoly on propaganda distribution. This must change if the establishment of one-party minority-rules state is to be prevented. Either the TFP's pillars must be undermined, or an alternative must construct its base to the point of being able to compete directly with the TFP.

Time to get going. There not much time and much to do.

We can run organization from DU for the moment. Money will be freaking hard in this economy, buttime to start thinking about donations, and trying to hook the big fish on that

What are your ideas about distribution? How do we get out messages? Internet-of course. anything above and beyond?

BTW - glad to have your support, RIF. Welcome to the revolution!

Unfortunately the smallest distribution system that would have much of an effect on voting patterns would be something the size of CNN. This is what I mean by money. A grass-roots movement can't compete on this level--the most the grass roots can do is act as enablers for the people who have enough money to compete on the level of CNN.

I believe the most prudent path at present would be to organize the opposition movement. Far too much energy in the activist community is being wasted on internal warfare and not enough is being spent fighting the common enemy. The competing factions within the opposition movement (Democratic party and otherwise) must be brought together to fight the common enemy rather than each other. This is something that really needs to be done from the top down but the upper level leadership has completely failed in its responsibilities and somebody has to pick up the slack.

To this end, the various major opposition websites make prime distribution media for what is, in effect, a propaganda campaign aimed at the choir, with the objective of pursuading them to sing from the same sheet of music. The challenge is to foster cooperation between opposition groups and bring everyone on side.


Disclaimer: I've never run a political campaign. The above advice is worth exactly what you paid for it and may be %100 useless. :)

Wars are not won JUST be building up a good army. You have to tear down the other guy's means to make war as well. I know that I'll be setting up an organization for this cause, and that could probably get us some money and good distribution, but we need to establish our own means of generating funds.

ALTRUISTIC lawyers who will work freely for our just cause! Do any exist????

Paxdora

I hope that those girls file suit against Arnold. I hope some behind the scenes Democrats facilitate these kind of things...

We need old time Chicago tactics or somthing...

I'm sick of this...we need Hollywood Liberals to run, apparently...Clooney? Sheen?

Become on of the behind the scenes Dems!

You can make the difference, but you have to put it out there on the line. I believe you can :-)

A strategy for victory. We have to really get these websites out there, especially to those who read the newspapers and think they are following the truth.

I've turned maybe 7 people onto the horrible truths about BushCo using this non-invasive method.

Try it out. We must win.

I suggest we do exactly as you say, but more is required.

I know there are business card advertisers out there that offer free business cards for whatever reasons...can anyone find out who those campanies are and let usknow?

Then we can all order an initial set of cards for free, and pass them out as frank suggested.

Good plan frank.

You can get some here:
http://www.vistaprint.com/vp/ns/default.aspx

They have the companies logo on them but who cares....

T.D.P.R

Welcome to DU, and welcome to the Revolution!

"Bush Lied And Our Soldiers Died"Postcards
http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/bushlied.html

"Are You Better Off?
http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/areyoubetteroff.html

I pass these out constantly. Wonderful way to help inform. Everyone thanks me with a smile!



How can we get DU on there?

http://www.deceptiondollar.com/

Simple.

Is it Bush?

Is it Cheney?

Is it Powell?

Is it Rumsfeld?

Is it Rice?

Is it Wolfowitz?

Is it Perle?

etc, etc, etc?

Or is it......................Murdoch?

Like I said, this is a war of information, and Murdoch is a four star general on a team of fascists. It ain't gonna be easy, but we have to fight back now, before our fight is meaningless.

Again, IANGB, are ya in?

....in.

Mind you at some few thousand miles distant.....in Australia.

But since you guys (the US collectively, not DU) have our asses in a sling too, I reckon it's in our interests to holler "WAKE UP AMERICA"..........or something.

You will need to shake the public's faith in them, make them look like grisly baby-eating bastards... drive the public away from the TV and to the Internet, and get a media-reform campaign going that accomplishes nothing short of stringent ownership re-regulation, breakup, and a competing public, populist entity like the BBC.

I know he's working on a big project, I'm sure he would be an invaluable resource.

We could call it TLM : TV for Liberal Millionaires

Imagine the thrill of seeing Donahue and Hightower nab great ratings and still have their shows cancelled. Again.

There's no brain activity here. See ya.

Instead of this critical hit and run?

Welcome back at any time when you want to contribute ideas, not criticism. BTW - constructive criticism is welcomed!

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see y'all in the AM

Don't Give Up, Get Mad!

It truly IS all MARKETING.

We need sexy ideas and inspiring messages presented in vague but feel-good terms in order to be heard.

The only way to win is to influence the sheeple.

We are as entrenched in our positions as the freepers are (in a different way, since actually value dissent) - So we need to focus like a lazer on swaying the political 'consumer' class.

This won't happen by simply being bitter or radical or revolutionary. It has to be done by a very nible and adept ability to perceive the mood of the sheeple at any given moment and move accordingly.

Much of the sheeple are addicted to the drug of 'feel good' politics. We must learn to sell that drug better than the competition.

Fight the corporatists by making our message all MARKETING (corporate), through and through. But wait, remember these are 'sheeple' and so will be manipulated with a certain contempt (uh, a feel-good contempt).

It's so 1993, and using brands for your comprehension, so CNN/FOX.

It's like trying to combat misogyny by getting people to read J.K. Rowling books.

Play nice, alright?

I've made posts on this subject in the past, and it is one of the reasons why the center-left in Europe and elsewhere think we're pathetic.

It is astounding how soft in the head we've become. The people here will gush with adulation over the BBC's thorough and fair coverage, then turn right around and whine about why some billionaire like Turner or Soros doesn't start a liberal news network. They see the contradiction. Al Gore doesn't and that confirms my fears about him.

The essence of economic progressivism is to promote egalitarian ends through public service. It is not the act of using the stock market to glue specific liberal causes to capital and watch them fall off. If you can only bring yourself to throw your hat into the private-corporation media ring, then your instincts are right-wing and you are therefore a hypocrite in deed (but not words).

Why would you build something that in 10 years will turn on you and have you for dinner in the pursuit of profit???

I had a long day and am tired. You are welcome to do a forum search on my handle and 'BBC' and 'media' for additional details.

I will do whatever I can.

GROUND RULES & TIPS FOR CHALLENGING THE RIGHT
http://www.publiceye.org/ark/tips.htm

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Let us consider the fact that this is a public board. These commentaries are only to be considered as a "test" to guage the level of intensity for creating a new "game". Hardcore activity shall (or MUST) continue ELSEWHERE. Anybody getting my drift?

Paxdora

:grouphug:

Who on earth would've come up with the idea to boycott buses? Yet that helped with the civil rights. My idea is for those of us in smaller communities: Since our local newspapers refuse to publish Bush's acknowledging that there is no 9/11-Saddam Iraq link (my newspaper says that it doesn't publish national news, but I can find dozens of 9/11 terrorist-Saddam Iraq innuendos), yet many of my neighbors justify the war with Iraq with 9/11 references, if I can organize a local protest of this issue AT the newspaper offices and get TV to cover it, we could make the news.
OK, it may not be brilliant, but I am starting to think strategy.

we need a new Boston Tea Party, a new Bus boycott...

But, we need a forum to discuss this privately.

when do we start?

the sooner the better, i really wanna stick it to the repukes :evilgrin:

Give me the job and I will finish the tools!

(No, wait...that's wrong...)

Whatever we do, we should be unafraid to try something new. Whatever has been tried in the past 25 years hasn't worked. Except for Clinton's electoral wins, the Democrats have generally been losing more and more ground since 1976.

This movement has to be totally unlike any other!

should look here and get together.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=490160

both threads are dropping off the page, :kick:


dp

The Corpos have us by the tits and they aren't going to let go on their own accord.

As always you can count on me to do whatever it takes to change our situation.

Anyone, Everyone! The revolution has begun, we need your ideas and resources.

Read the thread, add your thoughts, PM me with your strategies and suggestions...

Stein

I'm getting really sick of what's happening in this world. We need to establish a great force and wake these people up! We need a revolution, and we need it NOW!

How about we stick with Democratic Underground, or maybe the New Revolution.

Of course, that is not mine, but from www.coup2k.com, which was a damned fine site before it dropped out of sight.

But I love that name.

we need to congregate to focus on combatting the change in power structure (and the accompanying lack of accountability).

I'd love to see a working forum for this. It is amazing how much work can get done this way.

I also agree that we need strategic thinkers. What works best, frankly, is a combination of public forums, which draw in numbers and allow strategists to observe strengths and vet out contributors, and private forums, where much of the real work gets done.

Bev

And for all the work you do for your country.

You are a true patriot, and a real life hero.

Glad you side with the progressives, I wouldn't want you on the other side of the debate! :eye:

OK, enough of my apple-polishing :-) Welcome to the revolution Bev!

http://groups.globalfreepress.com

DU me if any is interested in starting a group there :hi:

peace

Seems like exactly what is needed.

BTW: Einie, Not sure what I can do but count me in!!

I have started a yahoo forum for a private meeting space, but would much prefer to use your site BPilgrim.

The yahoo site was meant to be temporary, but I had no idea I would replace it on day 1 - lol!

Can you PM me about membership details? I have some specific questions as well.

You would be an incredible ally in this venture, thanks for your voice, and welcome to the revolution!

I wrote to bpilgrim but I haven't had a response yet. Did you contact him/her yet, einie?

We can't do a damned thing unless all communication is secure! Is that even possible nowadays?

Lori Price has a new group at Yahoo, but you know how secure Yahoo is?

;( But I applied for membership there anyway!

Paxdora

Your PM is turned off, or you are too new...I'll get your yahoo ID from the New Rev site and write you very soon.

BPilgrim is writing up some new code on his site, will give me an account asap, and at that point we will be switching to his server, where I am as sure as can be that will will be secure.

Tonight, at some unknown time dependent on my schedule, I will approve all the DUers I can to the New Revolution site, and lay out a few initial ideas, open the conversation, etc..

Talk at you all soon

Stein

We'll meet up later. Did you check out Lori Price's group, CLG_Revolution_Tactics, yet?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CLG_Revolution_Tactics/

It just started up, 95 members already, but nothing of substance yet - introductions, venting, rah-rah-sis-boom-bah, etc. I'll keep a watch on the quality of the contributions before I ante up; need to see who knows what they're talking about and the seriousness of what we will be engaging in. I don't know about you yet, but I am a diehard when it comes to commitment. This is definitely NOT for dilletantes...

Paxdora

You provide the infrastructure to organize amoung a cohesive group, we provide infrastructure to help your groups reach out to more of the right kinds of members.

I don't have enough posts to contact you, so shoot me an email at chad@infobeing.net.

BTW - our site is www.infobeing.net

We need a very good candidate and a very awakened and mobilized base.

The media needs a boycott thrown at it.

And somehow these repubs have to debate! Fucking Arnold ducked everything.

The media needs a boycott thrown at it.

The Republican Propaganda Machine sways and holds the average TV-besotted person's attention with "mirrors & smoke" (showbiz extravaganzas), moldy platitudes & sensational lies (subliminal memetics), ad hominem attacks (ridicule) toward people with principles, heavily-biased and "packed" talk shows, control of major media and churches, etc., ad nauseum. All of this has been slowly and thoughtfully planned - shills and pawns were slowly ensconced in pivotal positions of power via stealth and masterful orchestration for almost two decades while Democrats were snoring. But it may not be too late if "We The People" learn & use their Machiavellian strategies and become just as ruthless at their own game before they prance off (permanently) with the playing field. Are we really capable of not playing "nice-nice" with the sharks? Are we willing to trot out a movie-star puppet who can say everything people love to hear yet have that puppet obey the mandates of secret policy-making deals? Can we possibly turn ourselves into the same kind of scum that they are? Or perhaps the question ought to be "should" we?

Do the ends justify the means, folks? Or maybe we should just let nasty history take its course, watch the bastards ravage our nation and enrage 80% of the citizens enough to finally cause another American Revolution that will get rid of oligarchy for good?

Let's be real....most people have no idea yet that they are being fucked. Severe economic hardship will do more to galvanize them into regime change than trying to educate them. Why waste our time trying to slow down the inevitable when we can be planning our future 'new & improved' democracy for a more enlightened citizenry. If today's Americans have no more sentience than an ant colony, whatever we try to do now for democracy will be futile. We need to look down all possible roads - "futurethink" the way the Repugs did 20 years ago.

Paxdora

That I didn't want to see people, my family included, hurt by the insanity of the Fuedalistic Corpos just so a better world can see the light.

It appears that I'll have little control over the dynamics that take us there so with that in mind I prepare.

We all should. I agree with you whole heartedly.

Maybe we should pick like four or five things to really really concentrate on for the next three months and then we see how we're doing after that. Maybe...

1. Black box voting - no more of it at all.
2. Get rid of the voter roll purges completely while we're at it.

But I'm about to go to bed so think of more. The idea is we all have our seperate issues, but there's like four that almost all of us concentrate on, real basic things that affect democracy.

in many ways.

PM me with your suggestions. Please.

They won't let me! Wahh! I'm too new, not enough posts or whatever. But we can communicate privately via email, okay?
BTW, I am a synthesist, not a purist...I believe in using any and all methods at the same time for maximum input producing a potent, concentrated output.

Connect with me...we may dance well together.

Paxdora

Are you able to PM me? I can't put my email addy here for just anyone to see...
Paxdora

BTW, I love your avatar; I almost chose it for myself...

If we don't get going quickly enough, then this revolution will cease to be one of ideas and turn into one of bullets.We have to act fast and throw the pukes out of power first, then we can fix the system. That and the situation we are in right now does not allow us to sit and wait for thigns to get worse. If we do that, then we WILL fail as I can garuntee as soon as they get enough power to sieze total control, we won't be able to carry on a revolution of ideas. We're going to need to be ready for the worst, but we have to move quickly. IF we do, then we MIGHT be able to turn the tide.

:kick:

:kick:

That's what the founding fathers did. Not only their lives, but their family's lives and everything they ever owned or worked for was gone after the war against England was over. many in the colonies were sympathetic/apathetic to the king, thus they were not very happy with the rebels.

It is the consequences that we have to understand and face before we can move on. Obviously our leaders have failed us, our media has failed us, and the majority of our country men have failed us. We can not fail them.

Whatever risks we take, whatever chances we dare while we walk through the darkening night of democracy, are minor distractions, shadows before the light of a progressive dawn.

Whatever happens then can not compare to the threat of the everlasting midnight of fascism in America, which comes to her while her citizens sleep.

I choose the light, however dim, whatever the risk.



On review: pardon me if I sound too dramatic or maudlin, I get a bit theatrical when I get sleepy.

I have writing/editing skills, research skills. Not much time, since I'm working and going to school, full-time for both. But send me manuscripts, and I can edit and verify citations like a bat outta hell.

The DU contingent should be 1000 strong. March against madness.

A member of Take Back the Media.com (me) will be dressed as Dick Cheney in a fine suit, sitting in the back seat of 1937 Rolls Royce convertible auto, rolling down the main streets of San Francisco with hundreds (thousands?) of protesters throwing wads of 911 Deception dollars out of the back of the car.. like here: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/noprotest.html

We've been banging away at these guys at our site with animations, weekly radio shows that we produce, events and street theatre, meeting with people like Janeane Garofalo and Jim Hightower, we produce the top of the hour news at IE AMERICA Radio that goes out to a lot of people.. not to mention being Sued by Michael Savage on top of it all..

..and all for NO MONEY other than T-shirt donations, we're literally going broke - we simply can't do any more, sure would be nice if Soros or Gore or the Drobnys in Chicago or ANYONE with some money would help us.. our very home is on the line..

it takes money, not just ideas... get some money, take THEIR Lunch money, but get money or it ain't gonna happen..

We know, we bust our asses. We need some help too.

Wish we could offer more, but we're nearly dead from exhaustion.

Best of luck.

symbolman

Ya got 87 Billion I can borrow?

You're a true hero, I loved the slide show, I need more....

I can tell you're already on the front lines, sarge.

May the Universe bless you in all your endeavors and provide for you the energy you need to accomplish your intended goals! Coalign with like minds, increase the impetus. Join with others in "sub" versions of perceived Reality to create a more beneficent, inclusive field for the prosperity of ALL. Show, tell, teach, create ALTERNATIVES to the forces of one-way "isms".

Let us connect our many avenues of response into one powerful chain of United Resistance against Totalitarianism of *any* kind. Let us work aboveground AND underground to develop the upheaval necessary for creating a new, fresh field for humanitarian and ecological benevolence.

Come, we make the stronger, clearer Voice...to reach ALL hearts, to make Life a participatory celebration, not a spectator program.
We must commune...somewhere safe from spying eyes. Yes?

Paxdora

I am none of what you are looking for - We need military minds, computer programmers, activists, radicals, graphic artists,

But I agree we need to get right back up and go. KR

My whole quote:

"We need military minds, computer programmers, activists, radicals, graphic artists, anything and anyone you can think of..."

You are categorically the exact type of person that is needed, the type that wants to "get right back up and go."

Welcome to the revolution! I'll send you a PM shortly.

Ok what are the goals of the revolution, what are the things that make a person or group an ally? What sorts of things would make them an enemy?
ANSWER has an anti semetic streak and yes they are a big name..BUT if the left because it is frustrated with the state of Israel's policies...indugling anti-semitic groups or even groups that hint twords an anti-jewish stance can be a BIG liability,especially with conservatives,christians and "nascar dads" When left oriented people refer to sites like Antiwar or like What Really Happened as if they are just information there is a problem. Some people on the left who are rightfully pissed at the policies of Ariel Sharon have gotten myopic and it has clouded thier judgement concerning information sources.

People sometimes do not see the subtle merging of left and rightwing ideas in the propaganda going on on sites like these because they are frustrated.Especially it's easy to ignore and pooh pooh if the site master puts up lame disclaimers but liknks to fascist sites.. or gives creedance to shit like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion while they claim they're working for change under the ruse of libertarianism,peace and'freedom of speech.The anti Isreal slant on some these sites can become real liabilities to any serious leftward movement.


It might not be obvious or in your face,sometimmes but it IS there.. I suggest ya'll may want to keep ANSWER,Antiwar and a few others out of this"revolution" because if a rightwinger digs into certain groups history they will find arab "terrorism" and anti jewish threats because of where thier funding originates.It could get ugly and mobilize reaction against you.I have heard that the House of Saud has helped ANSWER out financially.I dunno how true this is since it was on cspan,but if it is,watchout...This kind of political judgement mistake could damage left movements credibility that ally themselves with certain left appearing rightwing groups.. Remember your ethics,values and morals are truly reflected in the company you keep and who you support and give creedance to. So,BE careful! Research carefully any of those groups and people who you might want to call your allies!
Sucess in your 'movement or your life could depend on it.


Some leaflets were dropped in my neighborhood from World Church of the Creator a few months ago.They were recruiting..(pissed me off)They are a fascist group.In the leaflet they stated they were AGAINST the Iraq war,because it invited terrorism,they were Anti-UN and Anti-WTO,they were anti-Israel,without clearly distinguishing the situation of the the jewish people from the bad policies of Sharon's state policy,And they were anti Bush.
Clearly I see a merging of Left and Right political ideologies here!

Rightwingers can appear very leftward .When you suspect this even if you like them or agree with them on some issues,do ASK the uncomfortable ,unpopular Questions and do the research!
Keep yourselves aware.

Just my two cents.

What makes an ally?

First, we have to distinguish between an ally and an accessory. Allies are those with which we share common goals, and a common vision, and with whom we can work to acheive mutual satisfaction without sacrificing out moral/ethical positions. The relationships between allies normally extend long before and after emergency situation.

Accessories, on the other hand, are little more than temporary alliances built out of the most basic and selfish factors. The relationships between accessories commonly end when the mutual need is met, and often turn negative if the concerned parties have opposite views outside of the issue that first brought them together.

Roosevelt and Churchill were allies.
Roosevelt and Stalin were accessories.

What are the goals of the revolution?

Simply,

To organize and develop the means by which we can fight back against the powers that be, powers which threaten us with fascism or at least with the loss of civil rights and freedoms. To provide a forum for people who are tired of accepting the loss of democracy, and the means by which they can fight a bloodless battle, and achieve a bloodless rebelion.


To awaken Amercans to the fact that they are under attack by the very men and women they believe to be offering them protection (the BFEE and the Neo Cons). To illustrate to them that those who seek to rule over America are antagonistic and not benign, that we are at fascism's doorstep.

To offer alternatives to the mainstream media, so that the truth has a conduit to the people. To support and elect men and women who will defend our constitution, restore our free press, and maintain our democracy.

Look, I'm all for the revolution - believe me, I am infuriated with the cabal controlling this country and, by extension, a hefty chunk of the world - but the comments and ideas here have already been done, over and over.

They are good strategies. They are not the entire battle plan.

Like someone posted elsewhere, "Wearing a button is not enough." We have to face reality: we will end up making very hard choices, and sooner rather than later. Some of us will be imprisoned. Some of us will wind up in Gitmo. Some of us will be dead.

I accept that price in the fight against fascism. It's going to be the only way to make any change at all - we have to accept that the old way of resisting has been codified and studied and analyzed by our enemies, and as a result these methods must be revised.

We must look for new strategies, not simply a heavier application of the old policies that, while important, are less and less effective as the fascist machine rolls on.

We will need creative new ways to actively resist the actions taken in our name. For example, look at the human shields - a far-out idea to some, but one must concede that their bravery and approach was more noticed than even ten thousand letters to our senators.

This truly is a war. At the moment it is a nonviolent one in the early stages, with disorganization and scattershot resistance on our side. One day, the forces of history may pull us into direct confrontation with the government. I don't want or advocate that, but I understand the likelihood of it happening.

The key term, I think, to remember in this struggle is "ethical". That is the standard we should adhere to, and it should be a universal ideal. I humbly submit that our Founding Fathers would be an excellent source of inspiration, as would the various anti-fascist resistance groups during World War II, as well as other ethically-aware movements.

I wonder if I'll get a knock on my door for underlining the obvious possibilities of the path we are on in this post?

"We must look for new strategies, not simply a heavier application of the old policies that, while important, are less and less effective as the fascist machine rolls on."

Check! I'm with you there...

"The key term, I think, to remember in this struggle is "ethical"."

Another BIG check! Unless my back really is up against the wall, in which case it comes down to surviving to fight another day, I am willing to temporarily set aside a principle to save a network working for good. I hope none of us is ever forced into such a position. We must do what we must do if push comes to shove. I can't lie about what I might or might not do in a horrific situation.

Paxdora

"Clearly I see a merging of Left and Right political ideologies here!"
Actually, it is NOT a real merger, it is deliberate CONFUSION that obscures one's ability to discern difference. The powers-that-be are MASTERS of deception and obfuscation. Confuse the masses, then present a simplistic (always nationalistic) solution to ease any aching brains. Oh yeah...it works real good!

Paxdora

:kick:

It starts in YOUR kitchen.

let's go get 'em! :grr: I'm sick of this shit!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RecallArnold/

Something that we can all do now. Write, write write... Not just LTTE but write to columnists and on air journalists both local and nationwide. Encourage them and compliment them when they write something favorable to our point of view. Embolden them to go after guys. Refute them with facts (in a nice way) when they buy into the bullshit. If they get enough mail, they may feel hitting hard on shrub and the cabal is the majority opinion of the public.

There are many RW columnists and a handful of progressives but the majority, I believe, try to ride the middle and like to think themselves as unbiased. Send them links to other articles, invite them to DU. DU can be a wonderful resource for journalists.

I did this about a month ago and started a thread which dies a quick death (as most of mine seem to do, I think I need a headline writer.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=267616

Maybe we can't control the media, but we can influence it. If it is now 60% RW let's at least try to get it back to even. TV news generally follows stories that play in the papers. The internet is the new information revolution, let's learn to use it before the repugs do.

And it didn't come to shit.

I like a lot of what I'm seeing on this thread, but I think "revolution" is a lazy word -- one that lets you get away without defining what you really mean.

(In 1970, what a lot of people meant by "working for the Revolution" was really "getting stoned a lot and screwing around." By 1973, those people had all lost faith in the Revolution and had switched instead to abusing cocaine and inventing new and more elaborate perversions just for the hell of it.)

At this point, I'd rather talk about "working for the Truth." I think that's what most of us care about right now -- opening people's eyes to how their country is being stolen out from under them and making it clear that we're going ninety miles an hour down a dead end street.

If recognizing this truth eventually forces some people to conclude that the only solution lies in a complete revision of existing social and economic relationships, that's all well and good. But it's also a different battle for a different year.

I think what's called for at the moment is a broad-based reform movement. The revolution can come later.

The RW has taken over by convincing almost a majority of the vast middle class that they are the party that looks out for their best interests. The the Dems are tax and spend and only want a cut of their paycheck to give to welfare moms.

Most upper middle classers feel they are in the group that benefits from repug policies and aspite to upper class and most middlers aspire to upper middle and many think that when they do why should they give up all their hard earned cash.

What we have to do is to try to get out the truth that this admin really only helps the very ridhest and elite along with big corporations. That they are shortsighted and in the long run will ruin the middle and upper middle classes.

I am not quite sure how to go about this, I am not a financial analyst, but I know the military expenditures are just pissing the treasury down a sewer as compared to spending that money on education and infrastructure. That paying off the debt and lowering the debt service makes more sense than giving tax breaks.

I will update membership to the Yahoo Group tonight. If you are not yet in, you will be at that time. Afterwards, there will be an initial post to break the idce, and then I expect to hear an enourmous amount of great ideas from you folks.

I am counting on each of you to find your own place in this field, this is not about me telling you what we need, this is about each of us starting a mini revolution in our hearts, then spreading that fire out in concentric circles.

Of course, there is a need for central organization, plotting out strategies, planning media informational blasts, etc. We can discuss all this when the group gets up tonight.

One thing I want to stress is that this should not just be a support group where we talk about our feelings. Communication is always required, but the time for action is on us.

Talk to you all very soon-

Stein

I will be adding thousands of Yahoo Group feeds to infobeing...so we can begin communicating with people who are commited to the same things but who belong to different groups.

But the Yahoo Group is definately a good place to start.

Discussion Forums are not enough. Sometimes they breed frustration and perpetual debate rather than action.

What is needed is a systematic and highly scalable way to create action through "intelligent mobs." A way to connect a large, diverse population appropriately based on their skills and interests.

I would like to offer what is currently a version 1.0 solution to this movement (it will soon be improved in 2.0). This solution allows people to describe their interests and receive relevant messages from other users and from information sources around the web. Do you support Kucinich? Then get notified every time he is mentioned on a Blog. Go there and post a response. Want to fight for a cause locally, describe that cause (democratic AND rally)...set your location, choose the Meet-up option, etc. And then when action is needed, Broadcast a message through infobeing.net so that it goes to only the people who are interested in what you have to say. No spam and no "noise".

We will soon be adding additional data feeds to help our users meet more of the right people and are currently re-designing the site navigation so you won't have to register to begin communicating...but it works as described right now. We are able to put our functionality on other web sites via web services. Essentially, what we have is a very flexible and effective message-routing solution that beats "Groups" or Discussion Forums in terms of message relevancy and scalability.

Take a look at www.infobeing.net and news.infobeing.net and let me know if anybody thinks this could be useful. Also, I'd welcome any feedback or suggestions about this site.

If we are going to compete with good-old-boy networks, we need a better social network then they have.

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I hope you're starting to understand the power of this. Hell, I hope anybody is out there. Then again, there is so much noise on a discussion forum that not more than 3 people are even reading this...even though it is relevant and critical information. When there are communication barriers between people, authoritarian power wins. Then we are forced to pay for advertisements to get the word out. At infobeing our mission is to eliminate those barriers.

Are you not understanding what I'm saying?

Do you not trust me?

Or are you on the site checking it out?

There's no catch here...a year ago I had this idea and I wanted to make a difference. I'm always perplexed at how people claim to want solutions and then refused to engage when one comes along. I just want to know what people are thinking, please.

Relax infobeing..this might not be the best time of day to get responses about this. Patience, patience.

Perhaps you should start a new thread in...activism??...announcing your site.

I checked it out and forwarded it to a few people. It looks like an extremely useful tool!

Thank you.

Sorry I wasn't patient enough. I thought this was the right place, since people were talking about the fact that we need technology, etc. Thanks.

Your site may prove to be very useful...I checked it out. However, it is VERY unwise for people to leap before they identify exactly what they need to do. Usefulness serves need...first things first. You aren't going away and neither are we. It took TPTB (the powers that be) almost two decades to achieve their current "success". We need to learn and apply a similar (but better) formula for achieving our goals (just kicking the dumbya out ain't good enough, they'll get another stooge). Breathe deep, exhale, and be ready for whatever. All avenues must be explored before commitment. Do you understand?

Paxdora
Fighting the good fight, still...

Hello All,
I have been reading and reading the forums on various sites. Since I live in California, born and raised...i can't be quite anymore. I want to join your revolution! What do I have to offer? I'm a recruiter by trade...actually a headhunter!!!!:)I'm very good at it! I also am a webhost reseller and domain name registra! PRIVATE DOMAIN REGISTRA!I work from home. I am a great research person also. I am currently building a website, peacegardener.com...it has been in the works for about 4 monthes, i have the front page graphics and some of the layout, it is not my strong suite.I am just horrified at the state of our country right now. I never really followed politics this closely, intil the 2000 election, that stolen election, imho, was the fatal flaw. Since then it has been down hill. I threaten to move everyday, but, it would fix nothing. This is my country, my home, my daughters home. So, needless to say, my peacegardener site, is my torment! what to address? what is the most important?, so last nite....I thought, we could collectivly figure it out......I will offer the space we need to get this going!, I have a few friends with websites that are on the same page as all of you, take a look http://www.activeopposition.com. We are actually going to protest Bush here in so. cal next week.
This is the time for action....When I was a little girl and I was read the Diary of Anne Frank, my first thought was "why did the german people allow this to happen? I don't have a clear answer yet, but I know that I can not allow all of this to happen here in my country, I must speak out......So..if you will all have me, I would love to be a part of and help......What do you think?

The Peacegardener

just wanted to let you know, on my peacegardener website, I can offer, forums, chats, stores, since i am the hosting company, we can use as much space as we want! And remember...its private, by proxy......, i can also offer emails. anyway....hope to hear from you all soon.

Glad you are here.

I'm glad to be here, hope i can help.I have been wanting to do something for a long time, just sitting on the sidelines,isnt working anymore.

It's what I am all about! I went to the URL you posted, and it's an excellent (if barely known) website. More power to y'all! :hi:

I would like to see what you've done with your own site, pg. I've built a few webpages myself, but without any knowledge of HTML (I use Yahoo GeoCities'page builder, which really simplifies things for newbies to the Internet). This is the opening page to my website:
www.paxdoraunlimited.com

Sorry if I've pulled you off-track! I want you to know that your ideas for strategy may be very useful, and even if you are not good in the ideas department, this movement will need THOUSANDS of foot-soldiers to get the message across:
WE'RE MAD AS HELL AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!

Get my drift? :puke:

Paxdora

The gift of Peace.....what a nice present for me today....your site is awesome!!!!!my kinda place. I am all about planting seeds of peace!!!The youth especially!!!!I have a 15 yr old daughter...guess who her boyfriends are going to be? yep, the military, a cop, a homeland security agent..OMG...the institutionalzation of our children is the scaryist. I have thought long and hard about dedicating my site to this issue. So...any chance I get I sow the seeds of peace....someone has to!
Your site is beautiful.great job. I think we are going to build a good team here. lets toast to peace paxdora......

peacegardener

Thanks for being here, thanks for working with us for the future of all the children of Mother Earth.
Cheers!!! :toast:

Paxdora

will PM you 'Stein with a few thoughts. Nice organizing, btw!

:yourock:

I have a plan for distributing flyers via DUers...I think we can do it!

I'm working on it...I'll post when the rought draft is done.

Hey,sign me up.I don't know what I can do,I'm just an artist.. but I got brainpower,I got time and I am pretty preceptive and when in an argument I can get tenacious as hell ,it drives my opponents crazy.
I do want to check out what's happening and see if if I can apply myself somewhere useful.

DAMN!

I can't get anywhere on DU tonight, possibly because of the debate, and the server is loaded.

I am trying to make sure everyone gets an invite to the New Revolution Group, and have worked the last hour and gotten absolutely nowhere.

I wanted to send everyone a personal email, but cannot, so here's the compromise:

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I am going to kick the hell out of this thread till I'm satisified everyone who want to sign up gets the chance.

NOTE: IF YOUR YAHOO EMAIL IS DIFFERENT THAN YOUR DU NAME--PM ME SO I KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND CAN APPROVE YOUR MEMBERSHIP!

Tell your friends on DU to come back and sign up! Spread the word!

And PLEASE-Hang with us during the birth pangs gang, no one here has ever taken on a task this big (you don't butt heads with the world's last remaining super power every day!).

YOU PEOPLE ROCK! I love DU--it's my second home :-)

:kick: :hi:

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Good Night everybody!

:kick:

I posted a msg on the Rev. site. Anyone want to join in and get it started?

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Symbolman wrote that he is leaving the US.

The time will come when you HAVE to chose -FIGHT or FLIGHT!

If symbolman doesn't think there is enough support, it part of our responsibility to build that support, we can not lose our best people because they think there is no hope.

Are you in, or are you out?

Flight? or FIGHT!

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If you already joined, welcome to the revolution!

There are two polls and a few messages waiting for you online.

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Antonio Gramsci's writings on cultural hegemony are by far the most important & pertinent works available to the American left today.