Can the end of civilization be far away?

Lessee. The people of California elected as their governor a real, honest-to-God Nazi and friend of Ken Lay (the man who bankrupted them), a man who has admitted to a series of felonies, whose only job has been engaging in cartoon violence.

Meanwhile, the man who actually runs the country, Karl Rove, very likely committed treason, and the press isn't even talking about it. Bet your mortgage that NOTHING is going to be done about the treason committed in the WH.

The end is near folks. Time to make like symbolman and find somewhere else to live for the next generation, till BushCo (POTUS, Congress, SCOTUS, and the media) have devoured themselves, and the USA as described in the Constitution makes a comeback.

This country is dying. It has a cancer, and the tumor is named the Republican Party. It appears to be inoperable.

to pull everyone else down with them, but I'm not so sure that if it really came down to it, that the rest of the world would fall too. To be honest. America is not everything.

- We currently consume 33% more resources than our planet can produce.

- If the rest of the world had the same "standard of living" as the US, the figure would jump to over 400%.

- We have destroyed over 50% of the earth's rainforests, the greatest sources of biodiversity on the planet.

- We have refused to do anything significant to address global warming, leading to increased severe weather, melting glaciers, and rising oceans.

- Our industrialized agricultural practices have stripped away topsoil at an alarming rate, and topsoil is replenished at a rate of only 5 cm per millenium.

I could go on and on here. But it's quite apparent that the "end of civilization" is upon us. Just for much deeper reasons than the superficial ones you cited above.

I don't know how a rational person can have much hope... about anything.

Neo-Conservatives and conservatives.

I think their will be, the Republican party will implode on itself.

If so, where and when are you moving?

If not, why post something you don't really believe?

It's clearly time for a new kind of politics. The lesson of the recall is that Democrats can't take their core constituencies for granted. Davis cozied up to the right and alienated the left. When he needed friends, he didn't have any left!

The Arnold phenomenon will last only until he has to make decisions. Then he'll start pissing people off, including the dumb yahoos that voted for him. He'll have to decide who his important constituencies are or he'll be laughed out of town.

It's not about the success of the Republicans; it's about the failure of the Democrats – where are they? When Democrats keep inching towards the right, there's no reason to vote for them. If it's a loser either way, as we are told, we might as well go down flying our colors.

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but you can save me a beer

we'll just sit back and watch it all burn down

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away.

(depends on how hardy the human species is--lots of adaptation required by the Year 3000)

Read David Suzuki's book The Sacred Balance. It will help give you an idea of how urgent things REALLY are.

Dynamic individuals living in harmony with a purified Terran environment, or slightly lit automatons functioning in existence for the machine?

OH WAIT! We have the latter now :eyes:

It won't be much longer now. I'm betting within five years especially if Bush* gets another term. Some place that is quite out of the way, complete wilderness will be all that's left. China wanting to militarize outer space as well as the US. More violence on TV that even our babies watch. The American empire will fall much more quickly than Rome did but it will take most others with it.

This is not like past generations. The Ship of Fools has no refuge from American folly. The really pressing issues of extinction are being ignored or manhandled by the crazies. They don't even have to invade your new home to destroy everything, your progeny, your health, the human race.

You can't run or hide. Unlike those we look with pity upon in other "less civilized" countries who have to take up guns just to take a crack at entrenched dictatorships, we have been frustrated, humiliated, not butchered impoverished or imprisoned- to the obvious degree anyway of "lesser democracies" and "tyrannies".

We owe it to the human race not to run away in despair. Our frightening duty is to stay and fight because there is no where to go and our hapless geographical accidental makes it our responsibility to pull down the fools and knaves on top. We could even make America what everyone presumes it is or was. Our ancestors came here and most were promptly disilliusioned about the 'easy" dreams. But they knew the stilfling misery they had come from and did not turn back.

Canada? Diebold. Canadian conservatives. American bullying, ownership and chemical poisoning. If you are looking for a nice refuge why bother posting here? The small measure of temporary comfort may be impossible to find while waiting for some magical rebound or political messiah to make the bad things go away. Hell, we and other "free" nations have turned back refugees so that they would have to fight for their own country and not burden ours.