The chilling plans of the Rove bunch, even as we infight here. Scary!

I saw this at Buzzflash from 2001, did a search at the Free Congress site and found the articles since the Buzzflash links were dead.
This is chilling, there is no other word. Heubeck, I gather, is one of Rove's advisors or friends or just close to him.

Support of an Elite More Valuable than Support of the Masses
An essay by Eric Heubeck, excerpts:

SNIP...."There will be three main stages in the unfolding of this movement. The first stage will be devoted to the development of a highly motivated elite able to coordinate future activities. The second stage will be devoted to the development of institutions designed to make an impact on the wider elite and a relatively small minority of the masses. The third stage will involve changing the overall character of American popular culture.

SNIP...."Our movement will be entirely destructive, and entirely constructive. We will not try to reform the existing institutions. We only intend to weaken them, and eventually destroy them. We will endeavor to knock our opponents off-balance and unsettle them at every opportunity. All of our constructive energies will be dedicated to the creation of our own institutions.

We will maintain a constant barrage of criticism against the Left. We will attack the very legitimacy of the Left. We will not give them a moment's rest. We will endeavor to prove that the Left does not deserve to hold sway over the heart and mind of a single American. We will offer constant reminders that there is an alternative, there is a better way. When people have had enough of the sickness and decay of today's American culture, they will be embraced by and welcomed into the New Traditionalist movement. The rejection of the existing society by the people will thus be accomplished by pushing them and pulling them simultaneously.

We will use guerrilla tactics to undermine the legitimacy of the dominant regime. We will take advantage of every available opportunity to spread the idea that there is something fundamentally wrong with the existing state of affairs. For example, we could have every member of the movement put a bumper sticker on his car that says something to the effect of "Public Education is Rotten; Homeschool Your Kids." This will change nobody's mind immediately; no one will choose to stop sending his children to public schools immediately after seeing such a bumper sticker; but it will raise awareness and consciousness that there is a problem. Most of all, it will contribute to a vague sense of uneasiness and dissatisfaction with existing society. We need this if we hope to start picking people off and bringing them over to our side. We need to break down before we can build up. We must first clear away the flotsam of a decayed culture.

There is a whole lot more. Think they aren't succeeding? Read it very carefully.

Would Rove and his cronies be so bold as to give their game away? Okay, answered my own question, of course they would. Evil fuckers!!!! How much longer are the American people going to tolerate this bullshit?!

That's who these guys are. Weyrich, the idiot who recently equated tax burdens with the Holocaust, meets regularly with Rove. So yeah, there's a real connection between the White House and these shitweasels.

he's definitely a shitweasel! :puke:

Thanks for that, they all smell alike. Norquist is the tax asshat, Weyrich heads Free Congress.

and The Heritage Foundation he is PURE EVIL >>>Paul Weyrich
:sared: but we must know the enemy
http://www.freecongress.org/

http://www.freecongress.org/centers/cc/index.asp

Paul M. Weyrich's February 16, 1999 Letter On Rethinking Strategy To Win The Culture Wars
http://www.freecongress.org/misc/990216ltr.asp


A Short History of Cultural Conservatism

Through most of the Cold War era, American conservatism rested on the twin pillars of free market economics and anti-Communism. Culture was not a political issue, for the simple reason that America was culturally united. Traditional, Western, Judeo-Christian culture was accepted by the vast majority of Americans, including the American political Establishment, both political parties and most other elites as well. Rejection of Western culture was limited to a few small, eccentric bands in places like Greenwich Village.

By the early 1980s, however, the Free Congress Foundation recognized that this situation had changed. The New Left had launched a massive assault on Western culture in the academy, beginning in the 1960s. The cultural revolution in the academy had spread to wide segments of the general population, promoted especially by the entertainment industry. Most of the Democratic Party had gone over to the new anti-Western view, adopting its mantra of "racism, sexism and homophobia." While free market economics was triumphing world-wide and Communism’s days were obviously numbered, America’s culture was turning into a moral sewer. Clearly, a new conservatism was needed in response -- a conservatism built not on economics but on defense of traditional Western culture.

A few American conservative leaders, most prominently the great Russell Kirk, had long championed a cultural basis for politics. But Free Congress Foundation was the first Washington-based conservative think tank to take on the task of developing a new cultural conservatism, cultural conservatism aimed directly at the causes of America’s cultural decline (Dr. Kirk was strongly supportive of our efforts). Beginning in 1985, the Foundation published a series of Essays On Our Times that explored what a modern cultural conservatism might look like. In one of those essays, the Foundation offered a definition of cultural conservatism that has shaped its subsequent development:

Cultural conservatism is the belief that there is a necessary, unbreakable, and causal relationship between traditional Western, Judeo-Christian values, definitions of right and wrong, ways of thinking and ways of living -- the parameters of Western culture -- and the secular success of Western societies: their prosperity, their liberties, and the opportunities they offer their citizens to lead fulfilling, rewarding lives. If the former are abandoned, the latter will be lost.

Then, in 1987, the Foundation published its first book on cultural conservatism, Cultural Conservatism: Toward a New National Agenda. This book briefly summarized the concept of cultural conservatism, then applied it to ten different policy fields, some familiar and some novel. In each field, it offered a series of goals related to restoring traditional Western culture as the American norm, then proposed some means to reach these goals, many of them innovative.

Cultural Conservatism: Toward a New National Agenda was widely read by policy-makers in Washington, and it led to a second volume, Cultural Conservatism: Theory and Practice. Also published by the Free Congress Foundation, Cultural Conservatism: Theory and Practice was an anthology devoted largely to deepening the theory of cultural conservatism. With chapters by Russell Kirk, Michael Levin, Jeffrey Hart and Robert Woodson among others, the book had a significant impact among conservative intellectuals. Indeed, in its wake many other conservative think tanks began their own programs and projects on cultural conservatism.

more
http://www.freecongress.org/centers/cc/history.asp

one more site ...the links towards the bottom of this site need to be explored in order to arm ourselves against the insane neocons
http://jkalb.freeshell.org/web/trad.php

Taliban brought out to Texas, public, Agent bin Laden's longterm employment with the CIA, public, on and on.

So few people read any of that stuff, or realize what it means if they do, no reason to keep it secret.

Besides, imperialism means never having to care who reads it.

Anyone who complains loud enough will be "dealt with."

to think they can work with Bush!!!

Thank you for your work and continuing excellent efforts Gloria. Buzzflash and DU LBN.

The best. :thumbsup:

Jax

I recall hearing an evangelist a year ago about this coming movement to clean up america.

This document has been on that website for almost two years.

link
:shrug:

dp

http://www.freecongress.org/centers/cc/new_tradiitionalist.asp

Maybe your browser was not picking up on something in the HTML.

copied to disk, these people are NUTS!

need to do more research, this is virtually treason; it is discussing taking down the country as we know it.


I have :nopity: for these assholes, may they rot in the hell of their own device.

:grr: :nuke:

SNIP...."New Traditionalists Must Concentrate on Students and Young Adults

"The new movement will inevitably be geared toward children and young adults, especially their education. We will accomplish the goal of retaking our country only when large numbers of young people are educated outside of the indoctrinating environment of many public and private schools, universities, and of course, the popular culture. At this point in their lives, many of their ideas are still in the formative stage, the more so the younger they are. Furthermore, young adults (of college age and above) should be given a large role in the organization of the New Traditionalist movement, as many older people, because of work and family life, simply do not have the time to devote to reading, discussion, and action (and all three are equally important). They also often lack the necessary energy, enthusiasm, and idealism that is prevalent in youth. However, retirees could also make a valuable contribution to the movement...."

I said to muddy the waters, so we all throw our hands up in the air and say, "We Give! We can't take it anymore!"

This goes with what I was thinking ...

<snip>
The rejection of the existing society by the people will thus be accomplished by pushing them and pulling them simultaneously.
<snip>

Simultanelously, pushing/pulling till noone knows what is right/wrong, what is up/down, black/white. Mind control technics!

We have got to stop them from doing it.

We must be feared, so that they will think twice before opening their mouths. They must understand that there is some sort of cost involved in taking a "controversial" stand-- :eyes:

Here's a cached version of the Buzzflash article.

"The Horst Wessel Song". Follow the bouncing ball. Everyone sing along!

Yeah, they got their war on, but not much else. Lots of their plans are sitting around gathering dust. The people have thrown up some pretty good roadblocks. We just wait the suckers out and next year @ this time...Wham. We deal 'em a knockout blow. Then were back to an America on the road to a real and lasting world peace.

these fascists will keep trying to come back again and again, even if we do get rid of Bush. We're going to have to be vigilant until the last one of them is dead.

But not one that we can't overcome. As Pitt says "We are an Army!" Thing is: we've got to stick together. And dedicate ourselves to the long haul. With evidence like this getting out and the VRWC being more and more exposed, other folx are gonna begin seeing see just who is who. These RW bastards don't stand a chance in the light of day...

I agree we can do it.

these fascists will keep trying to come back again and again, even if we do get rid of Bush. We're going to have to be vigilant until the last one of them is dead.


They keep coming back generation after generation. What we need is to create a society in which they have no chance to be "socially acceptable" and their ideas have no chance of being implemented. Sounds easy enough... NOT!

They stole the presidential election. That's success.

They morphed Max Cleland's face with Usama Bin Laden's, danced on Paul Wellstone's grave, and retook the Senate. That's success.

They've invaded two nations in the middle east to push a resource extraction agenda, along with some very nice monetary giveaways to certain interests.

They've managed to pass both a massive defense budget and a tax-cut package that will wreck any and all pension and safety net plans at the federal level within a decade.

They've relegated the secular left to fighting defensive battles, like getting the decalogue out of a courthouse.

They're logistics are strong, too. With DeLay picking up seven Texas GOP reps next election, and not allowing the FCC deregulation rollback to reach a floor vote, look for them to be firmly entrenched by this time next year.

Your rosey scenario of "wait around and knock 'em out" isn't the only possible outcome. Watch your back.

Frist Should Force Democrats To Stage Real Filibusters

SNIP...."Well, to stop this shameless strategy on the part of Daschle and friends to end up with another "Do Nothing Congress," Sen. Frist must return to the days of the real filibuster. We don't have Strom Thurmond's health to worry about anymore. Senators should be required to deal with one subject only, namely the item being filibustered. The public will soon hear about the topic being discussed. The liberals will then have to defend their position. Then howls of anguish will be heard from the Democratic cloakroom. The Democrats, at least 41 of them, don't mind showing up to vote but to have to actually debate the subject, that is another matter.

When it is clear to the American people that the liberals are obstructionist, the pressure will be on Daschle to abandon the filibuster strategy. Then perhaps the president's initiatives and nominations will be fairly considered...."END SNIP

I am going to take a tour around this site. You think playing along and appeasing this bunch will make a difference!? You think?!

This is the ACW II....American Culture War!

World War II and the ACW II will be fought.

SNIP..."• WW-T will be waged on the terms of the old Roman Empire. Our enemies will fight us for generations – even centuries - until they change their way of thinking or are conquered or we are defeated from within. Our America, as the leader of the West, has imperial responsibilities without imperial ambitions. Moreover, our nation faces its greatest test since the American Civil War (ACW I). Can a nation so powerful, so rich, so hated remain a Republic with the protected individual freedoms endowed by our Creator? The American Culture War will become ACW II. WW-T and ACW II will be fought on the same front – our American Homeland...."

SNIP..."America faces a long, long perilous WW-T and ACW II indeed. May the God of America’s Founders, the God of Jesus Christ and Abraham, have mercy on us all. May God Bless America. In God We Trust.

James A. Bowden has worked as a Defense Department consultant specializing in inter-disciplinary long range ‘futures’ studies for over a decade. He retired from the United States Army after 20 years of service as an Infantry Officer. Mr. Bowden is a 1972 graduate of the United States Military Academy and earned graduate degrees from Harvard University and Columbia University. He resides in Poquoson, VA....."

I can't even begin to express on this forum, my revulsion for this wretched man and his absolutely disgusting neofascist dogma. How dare he attempt to transform MY country, MY democratic country into some kind of an orwellian, neo-feudal nightmare! Where is the justice? Where is the outrage???

Half the country should be marching on Washington at the footsteps of the Whitehouse at this very moment to demand his unconditional resignation and submission to a public trial for his treasonous ways. That bastard deserves no less.

Where does it end?

fight fire with fire.

Ya know?

This gets to the bottom of what's been nagging at me for a while -- the fact that Dems play too nice, are empathetic, play by (what they describe as ) the old rules of trying to win converts by the fact that our argument is better than their argument.

This isn't what they're doing, so why should we fight their artillery with our bows and arrows? We've been getting our asses kicked for twenty years.

This doctrine needs to be our own. Just cross out "conservative" and put in "progressive".

I'm not joking. Here's a quote:

<<The progressive movement is defensive, defeatist, depressed, and apologetic. It lacks self-confidence, virility, energy, intensity, vigor, aggressiveness, vitality, and a firm belief in the rightness of its cause. This is because progressives have failed to devote the proper amount of energy to developing an alternative cultural world-view opposed to the dominant rightiest one. They have instead devoted much of their energy to electing sympathetic politicians and lobbying the government to pass or overturn particular laws. >>

I changed "conservative" to progressive and "leftist" to rightist.

Could easily describe us.

That could have been written by Goobel. It sounds just like it.

Our mission is to increase our influence over the key cultural institutions

SNIP...."However, we don’t need to wait for a generation to pass before we can start acting. For example, we can train college students to confront the leftism they experience on campus, in large part as a way to reinforce their own beliefs, to bolster the idea that the traditionalist vision is one worth fighting for. We can also train them to appreciate what a traditionalist society should look like and to create campus communities that reflect those ideals. College students are in the best position to be preparing themselves to create alternative cultural institutions after they have graduated. At the very least, no matter what line of work they go into, they will be prepared to create traditionalist communities among the coworkers and other acquaintances they meet through work.

It should be understood that when we say we will take control of the "key cultural institutions," we do not mean MCA Universal, The New York Times, Harvard University, or Simon & Schuster. What we mean is the entertainment industry, the news media, academia, and the publishing industry. Our goal is not to infiltrate organizations opposed to our world-view, but to directly compete with them, and eventually, to make them irrelevant. The Left was able to take control of these organizations because the believers in traditional values who ran them were complacent and lacked vision. The modern-day Left is not complacent, and is more than willing to use its power to crush any challengers before they have a chance to become established within these organizations; hence the need to bypass the existing organizations altogether......"END SNIP

This just gets better and better. (grimace)

So they are admitting they do not endorse "Traditional Values" but it is the left who actually endorses these values and the right is trying to destroy them.

Anybody know any background on Eric Heubeck? I did a Google but came up blank on anything about who Eric Heubeck is, where he's from, education, etc.

Which is the "most powerful lobby you never heard of".

Here is a great article on it:
Outing Alec: The most powerful lobby you've never heard of.

SNIP..."Thus spake ALEC, a driven 29-year-old who is quite conservative and rather rich. With friends in high places, ALEC throws big parties, likes to get around, and is full of ideas. Never heard of the American Legislative Exchange Council? That's just the way ALEC likes it. As obscure as it is influential, the council bills itself as the "nation's largest bipartisan, individual membership association of state legislators." The press, too, tends to describe the organization in those terms. But in point of fact, ALEC represents corporate interests, and it has an impressive stake in a high-stakes game. This year, approximately 150,000 bills will be considered by the 50 state legislatures, and about 25 percent of them will become law -- more than 75 times the number enacted by Congress. Collectively, these laws will profoundly affect the lives of tens of millions of Americans...."

SNIP...."Today, however, ALEC channels most of its firepower into the antiregulatory, anti-environmental fight. There's its model Economic Liberty Resolution, which calls for the creation of a "Joint Legislative Committee on Economic Freedom for the purpose of identifying legal and regulatory barriers to private investment and entrepreneurship, and proposing legislation on such other actions as may be necessary to remove such barriers."

...to the response our patriot ancestors had to the thuggery of King George. After years of insult from the crown, they summoned up the courage of refusal. Democrats cannot any longer be cowed by charges of "class warfare" and "race card" and all the other tricks meant to silence dissent. We must refuse to be limited by their characterizations. We must refuse to be silent.

Refuse! Refuse! Refuse!

THEY are anti-American. They are anti-democratic.

And they're freaking nuts.

He had started the talking over me thingy, where they just don't shut up. I said HEY! very loud. He said what. I said stop pulling that tactic on me, I know what you are doing. He tried again, and I said I would keep calling back until he hushed and listened. The idiot can NOT even speak good English, but he is well doctrinated in the GOP tactics.

He did finally hush. He made one more comment about Democrats did all these things too. I told him how dare he say that. I said no Democrat ever set out to destroy the environment and the economy of our state, as well as our education system. He tried again, and I said I am not through. I said their extreme agenda was destroying our state and our country,and we would make them pay next year. He tried to pretend some of it was not their fault, but I did not back down. I felt good about yelling at him. He was an idiot.

snip<An American withdrawal from Iraq will be a defeat for the neocon clique that started the war in the first place. To that I say, “Hurrah!” The sooner the neocons are defeated and driven from power, the less the chance that American soldiers will be sent to die in more unnecessary and strategically counterproductive wars. In fact, to make the punishment fit the crime, we ought to round up every neocon in Washington and make them all “Special Representatives” to Iraq, with orders to get on the next plane to Baghdad and only come back on the last plane out. Then, we should forget to send that last plane.

more http://www.freecongress.org/commentaries/030826WL.asp

Do these people have no soul?

It boggles my mind....the hatred and lust for power that drives them.

They have culturally invaded schools, churches, mass media, and coffee shops ("Freedom fries"). I think higher academia is a last bastion, and it is a target.

This is the "Long March through the Institutions" of iirc Gramsci, who originally wrote up the theory for the Left (Marxism, maybe?) as a way to purge European society of the residual power of the monarchists, fascists, nationalists, capitalists, and the like in 'structural' form.

The problem with it is that there has to be a Great Idea to drive the adherents. Marxism and Communism sort of petered out during the 1940s and 1950s. The French New Left and the German Frankfurt School picked it up as a method of clearing out the traditionalism (susceptibility to authoritarianism and paganistic religious formulations) that was regarded as the downfall of their societies into fascism during the 1920s-40s. They proposed a scientific/secular focus. Both countries quietly implemented a lot of it under various pretexts during the 1960s and 70s and 80s.

But for the American Right to use the scheme, it's sort of ludicrous to suppose that there is some Great Idea out there for them to coopt and make a guide. They live by vanity, parasitism, and destruction and Christianity is simply not a new idea (let alone one they'd really implement). These are all antitheses of a Great Idea.

There is no demographic reality on which to base the plan of Heubeck, anyway. The only thing they could possibly achieve by what they are advocating is a separatist movement of dubious principle and near-impossibility of achieving domination. We are seeing the Right achieve maximal efficiency- largest amount of power wielded and maximal votes- in the present conflict during this Presidential term of office.

And the other fool suggesting a new Civil War is wrong only in not noticing that it's already being played out as a power dynamic in the political arena- and not realizing that the present is equivalent to mid/late 1864, when his Confederates are finally being ground down. He's trying to organize a bushwacking movement, which was recognized as futile by that side's leaders at the time.

this site is from Columbia Univ...please read it throughly

http://www.columbia.edu/~ks742/page4pbm.htmRichard Scaife:

One of the most controversial figures in American politics today, Richard Scaife is the sole inheritor of the Fourtune magazine fortune who's value is estimated as well over $1 billion. Since having come upon this inheritance in the early 60's, Scaife has single handedly propped up the Right by feeding millions and millions of dollars into programs, foundations, canadates etc. with a clear conservative conscience, his goal being the elimination of the liberal establishment and the reintroduction of the New Right. In the 70's he felt the need for an established "conservative intellectual movement" and as a result founded now classic think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation, the George Mason University department of economics, the law and economics program at the University of Chicago etc. He is also known to have close ties with the CIA and supports Encounter Magazine, which is associated with the CIA. According to the Washington Post, the Scaife foundation has given over $146,000 million in contributions to university programs over the past 40 years. Most of this money was used to support conservative individuals who were pursuing individual research in issues that were of deep consern to conservatives. The ISI, mentioned before, has had over $7 million donated by the Scaife foundation since the 60's. Under the Scaife domain are also hundreds of media firms and watchdog firms that attempt to control many facets of the American media. Here is a list of some major Scaife holdings:

Tufts University, Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy
Georgetown University, Center for Strategic and International Studies
Stanford University, Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace
Freedom House, New York
Heritage Foundation
Cato Institute
Intercollegiate Studies Institute
Institute on Religion and Democracy
Foundation for Cultural Review
Center for the Study of Popular Culture

(just to name a few)

Many describe Richard Scaife as being the secret man behind conservative politics. During the Reagan administration it seemed he had his own private government that was really running the country. In fact many of the most prominant players during the Reagan years were closely associated with Scaife and his foundation. His attacks on the left have been systematic and brutal. He is seen as the main figure behind the fueling of the Clinton sex scandal in the late 90's and actually gave $1 million for the founding of a public policy school at Pepperdine University, the school dean's position to be given specifically to Kenneth Starr.
more...

Paul Weyrich:

Paul Weyrich is the president of the Free Congress Research and Education Foundation who's mission is "fighting the culture war and returning America back to its traditional conservative roots." The foundations main enemy is the multi culturalist movement which it sees as contributing to the moral decay of America and creating an imbearable land of political correctness. The vision that Weyrich has is for "cultural conservatives to eventually dominate all aspects of American culture and politics. FCF has been responsible for many anti-Islamic publications since 9/11 where divisive attacks are made on Islamic-Americans and their religion.

Mr. Weyrich has been associated with the fundemental Right since its formal conception, he is seen by many to be its father. He helped recruit the notorious Jerry Falwell to the Moral Majority and was also the founder of the Heritage foundation which was financially backed by Richard Scaife. In the 80's he founded the FCF which was known at the time as being a pacesetter for the Religious Right in America. There, media strategies were concieved as were ideas and research.

Mr. Weyrich is known also for his engagement in Right wing grassroots activism and controls a cable network system known as National Empowerment TV, which is geared towards mobilizing right wing grassroots action.
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Richard J. Bishirjian:

Richard Bishirjian is the founder and President of YorkTownUniversity.com, the first conservative online university. He was urged to found the school by none other than Paul Weyrich. The school's mission is supposedly to put the truth back into education. According to Bishirjian, education is no longer a place where the pursuit of truth is possible, higher education is riddled with fanatic left wingers who indoctrinate innocent students with false lies. The goal of YorkTownUniversity is a reversion back to a simpler, more populist education, as is stated in an online letter to the informee "I like to tell persons I meet that we aspire to offer our students the oppertunity affored President Ronald Reagan in the 1930's when he attended little Eureka College. There, in a much simpler time, as at many traditional colleges that somehow managed to survive the Great Depression, the future president of the United States studied and learned classical, market, economics, unbiased American history, religion, literature, and how to think and write clearly."

According to Bishirjian, the single visionary behind this school, students have lost sight of the centralist ideals of Western Civilization, and have hence been cut off from recieving the truth that life has to offer, this has contributed, according to Bishirjian to a disappearence of moral capital in American society. But he hopes to change all that with his online university. The curriculm offered by the school is centered primarily around political and social theory. One class, taught by Richard Zeller is entitled "Political Correctness- Totalitarianism American Style" The school is geared mostly in the direction of "conservative, Evangelical Christians, prepared home school students, members of the military etc."
more...

Check and see if it is the right one.
The Personalities Behind the Movement

I also took the link back a page or two:
Right on Campus: Conservatism and American Higher Education

(I have put the SPELLING ERRORS in BOLD. They speak for themselves!)
SNIP:...."The conservative ideology has always seen higher education as one of its most important targets and thus the history of the American institute of higher education is intermeshed a great deal with the history of the Conservative movement. Examples of such a parallel history can be seen to have had their foundation in contemporary American history with the presidency of Richard Nixon. A staunge supported of America's right wing faction, Nixon was responsible for the systematic attack on the student anti war movement and its most aggregious sterotypes which virtually destroyed the fragile "New Left" movement. He completly alienated liberal minded students with his proclamation:

"This is a great and good country. I have flown over it...but I also want to say this- there is a small group in this country, a small group that shouts obsenities...that throws rocks, as it did in a meeting earlier today,...a group of people that always tear America down; a group of people that hate this country...that is a minority today; it is not going to be a majority in the future...The way to answer them is...for the Great Silent Majority to speak out."

I remember our church speaking of the silent, MORAL majority, and I am wondering if this is the source of it. They always made me feel so pious and righteous, then I woke up. This is the church we left because they called Iraq a just and holy war.

Also found a link to the Columbia Conservatives Club:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/conservative/

"When people have had enough of the sickness and decay of today's American culture, they will be embraced by and welcomed into the New Traditionalist movement. The rejection of the existing society by the people will thus be accomplished by pushing them and pulling them simultaneously."

Yeah!!! Live your life EXACTLY the way Rove,Pat Robertson and other flaming,scary RW'ers dictate!!! Ahh....what a nice pretty place America will be then,movies they don't like are gone,a good book burning or two.

And of course all of us working class slobs will be living in a FUCKING CARDBOARD box but the country will have such stellar values...

My God...

David

both ways...we can do the same thing in reverse on them.