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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:40 AM
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MSNBC: Lieberman just said "there's absolutely nothing to apologize for
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 09:28 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
about invading Iraq. Bush did the right thing"....:puke: :puke: :puke:
what he means by "the right thing" is the "right thing" for Israel...he made his Presidential run announcement from Israel sitting right next to Sharon...why didn't he make it here in the US? hey Joe... why not have Israeli taxpayers foot the $87 billion for the reconstruction costs of Iraq than?
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:42 AM
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1. WE DON'T NEED REPUGS. WE HAVE OUR OWN JERKS.
Oh boy, what a relief to use all caps because it is not a new thread!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:13 AM
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18. I'LL SECOND THAT
Lieberman: :puke:
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:49 AM
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24. 3RD THE NEW RULES SUCK
just my 2 cents
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:42 AM
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2. That's pretty much what Edwards said last night
on Hardball.

Very disappointing.

Eloriel
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:48 AM
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23. It sounds to me like they are in Strong denial! they made
their proverbial bed and they don't want to acknowledge what a mess it is..

I know Tom Harkin said he "made a mistake" and would not have voted that way if he had known they were lies..paraphrasing here.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:43 AM
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3. Seriously, is this guy looking for Cheney's job?
I don't understand why he thinks he has a chance in 2004 with the country so divided over the war.

(Dang, I'm a poet and didn't know it!)
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:26 AM
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20. Is there any chance he's preparing to jump ship?
Become the Republican he's been acting like for so long?
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paulsbc Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:45 AM
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4. how does one expect to regain
international cooperation without a formal apology for overstepping our bounds and going back to the "don't tread on me" concepts we hold? preemptive attacks against people that do not attack us is not what this country has been about, and the 2004 election is going to come down to whether America believes it should be the new way of approaching things. i hope we win, but it is certainly made more difficult when candidates screw up like this and give legitimacy to the actions taken...
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maha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:47 AM
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5. That's his story, and he's sticking to it!

Conventional wisdom says there are five candidates with a shot at the nomination. These are (note alpha order) Clark, Dean, Edwards, Gephardt, and Kerry.

While it is mildly amusing to knock the remaining candidates, there's really not much point to it. They'll be gone after New Hampshire.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:47 AM
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6. Bushlite
Are people going to continue to criticize Dean for uttering this phrase that so aptly identitifies a handful of the potential Democratic nominee?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:48 AM
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7. I want to see Clark hammer him over the head on this.
Clark has great points on the war. He can really make Holy Joe look like a wimp.
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soupkitchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:48 AM
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8. Well, this is the same judgement that has him thinking he has a chance to
be President.
Joe, fold up the tent and go home, because you have less than zero chance to be President.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:48 AM
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9. Lieberman -- For those who like Bush, but...
...don't think he's Jewish enough.

Not my line...it's from the Daily Show.


This one's mine, though...

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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:54 AM
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10. Joe's mad because Bush has gotten the credit
for what he thinks is his idea.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:55 AM
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11. My question is why does he think this will bode well for Israel?
I dont get this train of thought.
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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:55 AM
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12. NOW I KNOW WHAT "JOE'S JOBS TOUR" IS ALL ABOUT
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 09:20 AM by Kanzeon
It involves opening up vast new numbers of positions as suicide bomber fodder.






As it would say in http://www.joe2004.com/site/PageServer?pagename=targeted_joesjobstour if Liberman were honest instead of sanctimonious (this is "Joe" speakin' now...you know what I hate about politicians? I hate ones that want me to use the familiar form of their name when they just want to fuck me like some cheap hooker...that's the best reason of all to like Howard Dean- HOWIE IS TO LAME TO USE! ...but I digress; here's Joey...er...Joe):

Joe's Jobs Tour
"Joe’s Jobs Tour" is taking Joe Lieberman across the country to meet with workers and families struggling under George Bush's failed economic leadership, which I agree with mostly except for real wierd Christian fundie shit, and to share my strategy for creating jobs and expanding the military by invading every goddam country PNAC tells me to. My manufacturing recovery plan will help transform today's producers (that is, China, Japan, India and Vietnam) into the factories of the future, make worker training more affordable and accessible, and ultimately useless, except to serve PNAC's agenda, and level the globe by cracking down on anyone who dares to come within a light year of expressing that maybe, just maybe, those guys who worship Allah might have a legit grievance or 2...
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:59 AM
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14. I say we all
get a voter registration card from our state and fill in Joe's name and mark it Repug to send to him. Maybe he'd get the picture.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:58 AM
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13. OMG what a 'puke
No doubt the press will treat this like business as usual though.

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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:00 AM
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15. Uuuuuuggghhh... seen this?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:09 AM
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16. Send Joe a message.
http://www.leadingwithintegrity.com/whatis/index.htm

He wants you to comment on his integerity.
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:57 AM
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25. I sent one to 'holy joe'
My message to Joeseph LIEberman:

You traitor. You are just as evil as the Bush Administration. You're a holy rolling hypocrite.

How can you support a pre-emptive attack on another country? It doesn't have anything to do with Isreal does it? You didn't actually put the theives in Isreal over the citizens of the US did you?

You are an evil man and have no business calling yourself a Democrat. Everything about you is Republikkkan, and I think you may be a plant BY the Republikkans sent to disorganize the Democrats.

If you had ANY integrity you would be apologizing for using up valuable oxygen that other, more honest people, could breathe.

The sooner the world realizes there is no god, the sooner we can have peace. Fighting over religion is like fighting over who has the best imaginary friend.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:29 AM
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33. just goes to show ya
The job of the satirist becomes ever more difficult.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:11 AM
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17. This is one of the reasons Bush* continues to get away with his lies...
- Lieberman should be ashamed of himself. He has to know that Bush* is a liar that lied to rush this nation to war with a country that posed NO threat to our national security.

- Democrats protecting Bush* must end.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:21 AM
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19. I wasn't kidding above
Joe is grabbing for credit that he thinks is rightfully his. He was the first out of the gate after 911 (in October!) to press for whacking Saddam:
"Whether or not Saddam is implicated directly in the anthrax attacks or the horrors of Sept. 11, he is, by any common definition, a terrorist who must be removed. A serious effort to end Saddam's rule over Iraq should begin now with a declaration by the administration that it is America's policy to change the Iraqi regime, and with greater financial and tactical support of the broad-based Iraqi opposition. In time, military support will follow."

http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/US/Letters,%20reports%20and%20statements/lieberman-wsj-10-29-01.htm


The following March, he takes a "glad Bush is warming up to my idea" tone in this press release:
"I am encouraged that President Bush appears to have turned the corner on Iraq, and now seems committed to changing the regime in Baghdad. When and how we accomplish that is up to our military and our commander-in-chief. Congress should be consulted more on strategy toward Iraq — but we should also respect the president's need to employ surprise, if necessary, in carrying out his plan."

...

"That certainly goes for Iraq, where we must deal decisively with the threat to America posed by the world's most dangerous terrorist, Saddam Hussein."

http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/sasia/afghan/text/0307lbmn.htm

And here's this statement from this year:
"In fact, five years ago, after Saddam ejected the U.N. inspectors, John McCain and I gave up on containment and introduced the Iraqi Liberation Act, which, when it became law, made a change of regime in Baghdad official U.S. policy. You might therefore say that, when it comes to Iraq, President Bush is just enforcing the McCain-Lieberman policy."

http://www.usembassy.de/consular/munchen/speeches/lieberman2003.htm
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:29 AM
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21. confirmation joe is PNAC connected
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:45 AM
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22. lieberman is a dense putz...what can I say?
And anyone else who thinks "about invading Iraq...it was the right thing to do"!

lieberman and his pious ass knows nothing about how Much he owes not only an "apology" but he and the others owe "Blood and Treasure" to the People of the United States and the People of Iraq.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:01 AM
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26. Does this clarify for anybody
why some of us are not ABB?
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:19 AM
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27. ABB?

Either I have forgotton the acronym or...

...what was I talking about?
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:21 AM
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29. ABB
Sorry. It's "Anybody But Bush."
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 11:25 AM
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37. ABB&L
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:20 AM
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28. lol he could might aswell withdraw from the race
he should save that money
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RaulGroom Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:23 AM
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30. I shouldn't even go here
But I often see the word "Israel" used to mean "Likud." The same way that the Europeans are supposedly so "anti-American" because they oppose the Republicans. It's a point of propaganda that we shouldn't concede.

The Iraq war was convergent with Likud's interests, not with Israel's. This is not to say that Labor has been a shining beacon of sanity, but it is a small percentage of Israeli citizens who favored the war in Iraq.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:27 AM
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31. In a horrible way, Lieberman is right.
To clarify: if invasion of a sovereign state that represented no threat to us was an honest memorandum of his principles, then he should not have to apologize for his vote.

Those politicians who sacrificed distant civilians for their political cowardice, they are the ones who need to apologize. Unlike Lieberman, they knew it was wrong.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:27 AM
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32. How does Israel benefit from this again?
Let's see: ALL Islamic states become inflamed against the US and its allies. Wonderful for Israel.

America goes bankrupt enriching Halliburton which has no interest in oilfree Israel. Fabulous for Israel which depends on American aid.

Come on, tell me those great benefits to Israel. I want to see the list.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:36 AM
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34. Say it ain't so Joe.

Who would have thought that given the mountains of evidence before the war and the verifications/validations afterward that there were no WMDs in Iraq (not pronounced Eye-Wrack) that there may be reason to conclude that we were wrong to invade?

Well obviously not Joe. Like President Crotchsock, Joe believes firmly in what he believes, and what he believes is right. There is no need for reflection on whether he may have been wrong or mislead by our duly elected Moran 'n Theif.

Joe's vision of things past and present has no need for the inflexibilities of liberalism: namely truth, facts and wisdom.

He is a man of both integrity and charisma that clearly understand the depth of Emperor Bunnypant's soul.

My only question is if Joe wears kneepads when he gives it up to this unelected fraud or does he go sans?


I don't usually take potshots at the Democratic candidates, but every time that Lieberman opens his mouth in becomes evident that he should change his party affiliation. He is a firm example of what the Democratic party needs to move away from ...and fast. Also I have decided that I will not be supporting Holy Joe. We already have too many republicans in power.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:42 AM
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35. That puts me back firmly into the NO VOTE FOR LIEBERMAN
crowd.

No vote, no way, no how.

Do not let this man get the nomination. If he does, I'm OUT of the Democratic Party and I know others will join me.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:51 AM
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36. I hate to say it, but

I would agree with you.

If he gets the Dem nod then I am out.

If this happens then our party becomes nothing more than a wretched farce.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 11:36 AM
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38. you're familiar with "good cop/bad cop"?
Joe is supposed to be the good cop, makes us lean towards him in aversion to the bad cop, but they are both cops after the same thing
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 11:45 AM
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39. Fuck you, LIEberman.
Oh, and thanks for allowing your buddies at Arthur Anderson to assist in ruining the US economy.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 03:32 PM
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40. please tell me about the Lieberman/Arthur Anderson link ...i'm ignorant
seriously
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