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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:09 AM
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Is our death penalty a form of legal ethnic cleansing? n/t
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:13 AM
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1. Not even close.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:14 AM
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2. No n/t
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:15 AM
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3. No. nt.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:15 AM
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4. No.
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:15 AM
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5. Wow... just... Wow
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:17 AM
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7. Why wow?
Look up the number of african americans on death row, the numbers of other minorities...and whites.

You might be surprised.

I think that this poster deserves another answer than "just wow." The racial problems in our justice system need to be addressed.
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:20 AM
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8. because the question is idiotic
here are the accepted definitions of Ethnic Cleansing

Ethnic Cleansing: the mass expulsion and killing of one ethic or religious group in an area by another ethnic or religious group in that area
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

The term ethnic cleansing refers to various policies of forcibly removing people of another ethnic group. At one end of the spectrum, it is virtually indistinguishable from forced emigration and population transfer, while at the other it merges with deportation and genocide.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

You show me how the judicial system/capital punishment even approaches the definition of ethnic cleansing.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:28 AM
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10. This is Stephanie
I know that, and you know that.

However, the poster apparently didn't...so s/he asked. Wouldn't you rather people ask a question than choose to remain ignorant?

Stephanie
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:39 AM
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15. There's a difference between posting a question to get information
and posting a question to be provocative. Generally when posts are this blatantly ignorant they tend to be posted for provocative reasons. Akin to posting "If I have bleu cheese on my morning English Muffin, then isn't that why the sky is blue?"

Both premesis have a variant of "blue" in them, but the supposition is demonstrably idiotic.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:35 AM
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13. "Idiotic?"
classy.
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:16 AM
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6. Not ethnic cleansing per se, but there is no question that our justice
system is so racist that it is obvious to a third grader.
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:26 AM
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9. I don't think it's racist, however a large number of minorities
do commit crimes. We need to ask why this is the case and take a pro-active stance on the reasons why a disproportionate number of minorities commit crimes.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:38 AM
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14. imho, cruel child rearing tactics are more acceptable in the
black community. a few years back the chicago trib decided to put every murdered child on the front page. turned out most of those murdered by their own parents were black. i have personally been in some public arguments with people who beat their children in public. they were all black. many black churches promote that 'jesus says beat your children' crap. the roots of all this may be influenced by racism and prejudice. but it is incontrovertible that brutal child rearing practices lead to all the ills to which the black community is heir.
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:06 PM
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18. That could be part of it, I never really thought of it that way
I think a part of it is that the father is out of the picture more often in minority families and kids look up to the gangsters on the street as a role model, which would make crime a way of life.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:18 PM
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19. You're not presuming that the 25% of black men who've been incarcerated
are all guilty of whatever got them thrown in jail, are you? Doesn't the disproportion of incarceration among black men compared to other groups suggest a bias in the system? Not to say there isn't necessarily more criminal activity among young black men, but there is clearly also a lengthy history in the US of police profiling and charging young men based on their being black, as though race were, in itself, reasonable cause to suspect them of a crime--even of a *presumed* crime.

In other words, whether or not corporal punishment is more accepted among black families has no bearing on the original poster's question: Is capital punishment a form of "ethnic cleansing?"

I don't know if ethnic cleansing is the right terminology, but clearly the American justice system has a bias toward putting African-Americans to death. This has been shown over and over to be fact.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:14 PM
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20. i was not replying to the op
other than that, i agree with everything you say. i just wanted to make the point that societies are shaped in individual cradles. brutal tactics are certainly not confined to the black community, of course.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:31 AM
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11. though it is just one of the means of perpetrating Genocide in this
country, capital punishment is, YES, accelerating in that direction.

thank you for presenting this question for discussion, cantstandbush.


peace!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:32 AM
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12. Institutional racism, yes. Then if you kill 'em after you round 'em up...
I see what your point is, but for some reason "ethnic cleansing" isn't really the best descriptor. Most of these people are guilty of crimes - no matter how unfairly they're treated by the judicial system. So it's not like they're knocking on doors and sending people of color to concentration camps.

Ethnic control, maybe?
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:40 AM
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16. Nope n/t
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:43 AM
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17. In many respects, its is a form of ethnic cleansing
Any system that systematically applies unfair racist policies to one group over another is practicing a "form" of genocide.

Your question was not idiotic, or stupid... Some people just don't like to discuss/admit that racism is as inbred in American society as applie pie.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:47 PM
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21. Well, thanks for your response. Stimulation of thought is dangerous. n/t
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