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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:06 PM
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Wise up, people...
Those 4 hostages who work for the human rights group Christian Peacemaker Teams have all been involved working with the Palestinian peace movement. They protested the wall being built there.

While in Iraq they were busy COMPILING EVIDENCE of human rights abuses by the US military against Iraqi civilians.

Prominent Muslim cleics from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Palestine, Indonesia etc. have all condemned the kidnapping and have called for the CPT worker's release...

WHO REALLY ARE THE "SWORDS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"???

DOES ANYONE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER???

Oh...and by the way, if any of you buy the Jordanian bombings as the work of "Al Qaeda in Iraq"...get a brain.

This is a PR War, a war of Terrror and Disinformation. Every terrorist act against civilians props up the US occupation.

I mean, we can't cut and run and cave in to the "terrorists"...

Did any of you wonder about whether that poor Iraqi woman was coerced to "confess" her role on TV? Hey, I wonder what her lawyer thought of that?

Did you buy the "my suicide belt didn't go off so my husband pushed me out of the room" story? Why would this guy care whether HERS went off if the mission was for both of them to die?

Did he suddenly change his mind?

IS THERE ANY CRITICAL THINKING LEFT?

Trust me, most of the Iraqi people know who's behind the terrorist attacks NOT targetting US troops. That's why the insurgency was recognized as legitimate by the new Iraqi government when they had their talks in Egypt...

And the reason the Pentagon wants this civil unrest is to give them justification for setting up four permanent air bases in Iraq.

There is no doubt that this fabricated, carefully arranged and promoted, "War On Terror" is just beginning friends.

The Military Industrial Complex wants a Perpetual War for Perpetual Profit.

And they'll do whatever it takes to stay the course.

Unless the American people finally gather the moral courage to do what's right.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/
http://www.voxfux.com/

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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:10 PM
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1. You are spot on!
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:11 PM
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2. Wait a DAMN MINUTE! I missed this "her belt didn't go off so
her husband pushed her out of the room." If his went off, hers would have gone off too, so if these were suicide bombers, why didn't he have her stand next to him? Secondary explosion, sympathetic detonation and all that.
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bammertheblue Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:54 PM
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13. What?
I never heard that either! Okay, something about that doesn't add up. If they were that determined to blow themselves up, why would he push her out? They'd already decided to die and kill, why would he suddenly change his mind?
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malachibk Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:02 PM
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45. It makes sense to me
If she dies from another bomb, SHE did not give her life for the cause (I imagine that's important).

If she lives, she's arrested with a bomb belt on, which is no good either.

So he pushes her out in hopes that she will escape and live to die another day. Like the Madonna song.

See. Makes sense!
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:48 PM
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55. Jordan Bombing: Does this look like damage from a suicide bomber?
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:12 PM
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3. Agreed.


Death Mask: The Deliberate Disintegration of Iraq

Thursday, 01 December 2005

This is an extended version of a column appearing in the Dec. 2 edition of The Moscow Times.

The recent revelations about the virulent spread of death squads ravaging Iraq have only confirmed for many people the lethal incompetence of the Bush Regime, whose brutal bungling appears to have unleashed the demon of sectarian strife in the conquered land. The general reaction, even among some war supporters, has been bitter derision: "Jeez, these bozos couldn't boil an egg without causing collateral damage."

But what if the truth is even more sinister? What if this murderous chaos is not the fruit of rank incompetence but instead the desired product of carefully crafted, efficiently managed White House policy?

http://www.chris-floyd.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=315&Itemid=1

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:14 PM
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4. BushCo = Mindfuckers
And it is likely to get worse before it gets better.

But this, too, shall pass.
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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:18 PM
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5. The "bomb didn't go off so he pushed her out of the room" BS
was ridiculous. I thought it was bizarre when I read it. Her husband pushed her out of the room so that she wouldn't call attention to them? Pushing the woman out of a room doesn't call attention to somebody?

Ugh.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:18 PM
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6. Ohhhh....Thank You....
I've been so desperate for a post based in reality. So many, watch cable news and I don't think they realize how much it affects their thinking. Even though they don't swallow whole, the bits that they imbibe are regurgitated ad nauseum. I am no genius..nor have answers...but my landscape is not as cluttered with daily trash.
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:29 PM
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21. it completely recolors your life
I haven't watched television in several years (DVD's on the computer and downloaded news/Jon Stewart clips from the internet, that's my "television" now).

But when I do see TV, at someone's house, in a hotel room, etc, almost everything seems offensive to my senses. The programming and the commercials have this effect on me. And I think that when you watch television, as you say, you don't realize how much it affects you. I'm much less "culturally" aware, at least when it comes to trends and stars from TV shows. So I can't tell you who won the talent contest or who works for Donald Trump and who is willing to destroy their own dignity by eating worms for a national audience. And thank god for small favors.

And of course, the news is worse than the entertainment. I will on occasion be in a hotel room, with no convenient internet access or no time to get connected. So I sometimes turn on CNN on the room's TV. And it's always a mistake to do this. After watching 15 or 20 minutes of their programming, I find myself wondering what's really happening in the news, wondering what the most important stories of the day are. And the reason I end up musing along these lines is that CNN does a pathetic job of dissemenating news. They just plain don't cover many of the important stories of the day, and the coverage they do provide is shallow and packaged and, well, someone else can watch the crap because I just can't do it.

To the OP's point, I haven't read in depth about the kidnapped aid workers, but upon hearing of their abduction, it's impossible not to wonder if it's an Administration job (or a puppet Iraqi government job). For that matter, who kidnapped the Italian journalist months ago, before her rescuer was assasinated? Does the insurgency really want the entire planet to despise them? Is the insurgency stupid? The clear answer to both questions is no.

Who stands to gain from the abduction and threatened execution of anti-war aid workers?

It is my foolish hope that the New York Times will go to some lengths to attempt to redeem itself. It would be so helpful and gratifying if they'd start to dig deep and take a hard look at all of these events that do not look right on their face. It could help to slow the demise of a once-great nation. Probably not a very realistic hope, is it?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:59 PM
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22. I am starting a new habit...
whenever I read a particularly informative article, I'm going to copy and paste the reporter's name, and train myself to remember, credit, and do searches for the name whenever possible. There are rays of sunshine but I have to look for them...in an ominously cloudy, dark and stormy sky.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:45 PM
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47. Thanks for this reply
Got my head in my hands again, but I can't for the love in me give up hope. now that I think of it where is nothingwithouthope, I have always favored their post. Peace
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:09 PM
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54. No it isn't. I cut the cord just 3 days ago and already I'm noticing the
positive influence. I'm not pissed off all the time. I'm blissfully ignorant of the the latest media lies and find myself noting the serious incongruities of 'supposed' 'news stories'.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:21 PM
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7. .
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:23 PM
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8. This sounds like the PNAC mission statement :( n/t
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1Courtney Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:29 PM
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9. Exactly Right
When I saw the so-called 'failed' suicide female bomber, I
knew they were entering into a new level of psychological
warfare.  I used to believe some things that came from our
government, but since they have found it prudent to employ
journalists as gov't good press agents, I no longer believe
anything they say or write.

I love my country and I am so angry about the state we are in.
 I am an American but---- these spend all the money, screw all
the foreign countries, screw all the poor, screw anyone with
values, Republicans are very misguided.  Anyone who believes
in them needs a head exam.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:35 PM
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11. Welcome to DU, 1Courtney.
:hi:
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:38 AM
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26. Welcome to DU 1Courtney
Glad to have you on board the DU ship.


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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:51 AM
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33. Hi 1Courtney!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:29 PM
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10. Here's one of the "Socks of Righteousness"
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:45 PM
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12. Nick Berg. Blackwater. The creation of the INC by the Rendon Group.
These are things that come to mind.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:41 AM
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27. Nick Berg was my turning point in ever believing a thing they say!
As my old granny used to say, it is all
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:54 PM
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14. I posted this a month ago...
Regardless of evidence, the two things most Americans will never question:

1.) Anyone in power would ever commit a false-flag attack to further their agenda.

2.) Anyone in power would ever purposely rig an election.

Oh, there will be a positive cottage industry looking into these things in a minority kind of way, and generations later, some respectable historians will discuss the ideas with appropriate vigor.

But while they're occurring, they're just off the table in terms of legitimate discussion. And that fact, more than anything else, is why they're done.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5321915
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parhelion Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:53 PM
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17. Excellent points...
I recall reading your previous post from a month ago, glad you brought it up again. One of the most amazing aspects of this is how impulsive it has become for most mainstream Americans to willingly put up the blinders and/or immediately bring up the "conspiracy nut" accusations. The propaganda has worked very well.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:52 AM
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34. Hi parhelion!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:59 PM
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15. I believe it
only makes sense.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:38 PM
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16. screw your tinfoil hats on tight folks, 'cause we shouldn't put ANYTHING..
...past these bastards. Ask "who profits from the so called war on terror?" Who bears the burden, and who dies?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:07 PM
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18. How Governments Use Terror to Control People
Read this and thought of you, RBHam. And, you DU:



How our governments use terrorism to control us

By Tim Howells
Online Journal Contributing Writer
Nov 28, 2005, 13:55

The sponsorship of terrorism by western governments, targeting their own populations, has been a taboo subject. Although major scandals have received cursory coverage in the media, the subject has been allowed to immediately disappear without discussion or investigation. Therefore the appearance this year of two major studies of this subject is a welcome breakthrough, and provides essential reading for anyone struggling to understand the events of September 11, 2001 and the post September 11 world.

The studies are complementary. NATO's Secret Armies, Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe by Daniele Ganser concerns terrorism sponsored by American and British intelligence in Western Europe and Turkey between the end of World War II and 1985. The War on Truth, 9/11, Disinformation, and the Anatomy of Terrorism by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed chronicles the cultivation and sponsorship of militant Islamic terrorism by the intelligence services of the United States, Britain and Russia from 1979 to the present. Both studies are models of scholarship -- meticulously documented and carefully reasoned -- but the world they reveal will boggle the mind of the most wild-eyed conspiracy theorist.

Creating "Communist" Terrorism to Fuel the Cold War

NATO's Secret Armies describes how following World War II the US and Britain, fearing a Soviet invasion of Europe, established "stay-behind" paramilitary units throughout Western Europe and in Turkey. Had the anticipated Soviet invasion occurred these units would have constituted ready made resistance groups, trained and armed, with secure communications with each other and with their allies in Britain and the US. In some counties, for example Norway and Sweden, these stay-behind units were true to their original charters, remaining inactive until they disbanded at the end of the Cold War. In other countries, however, the paramilitary units were activated by their handlers in the United States as part of a hellish "Strategy of Tension" designed to convince left-leaning populations in Italy, Germany, Belgium, Greece, Turkey and other countries that their very lives were at risk from communist terrorists. The arms and bombs originally intended for the Soviets were turned instead on their own compatriots with the aim of placing the blame for the waves of terrorist attacks on communists.

In Italy the stay-behind operation was referred to as Gladio (Latin for "Sword"). The Piazza Fontana bombings that killed 16 and wounded 80 shortly before Christmas in 1969 initiated a wave of terrorist bombings in Italy by Gladio operatives that continued throughout the 1970s. The worst single bombing occurred in the Bologna train station in 1980, killing 85 and wounding 200. Another Gladio bombing in Brescia in 1974 killed eight and wounded 102, and the same year a train was bombed in Rome, killing 12 and wounding 48. The case that led to the discovery of the Gladio plots by the Italian courts was a 1972 bombing that killed three policemen.

The Gladio operations in Italy are relatively well known and well understood because of several high level judicial investigations that received coverage in the European press and have been the subject of a few books. One contribution of Ganser's book is to bring this material together in a concise and well organised format. Further, Ganser extends his study beyond Italy to examine the effects of stay-behind operations throughout Western Europe and in Turkey.

CONTINUED...

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_277.shtml



1984 was just a prelude.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:26 PM
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20. The current owner of Orwell's estate should sue the Bushler administraion
for copyright infringement. How ironic that the "GOP" - George Orwell Productions - was created by a crooked accountant (Jack Harrison, Orwell's accountant) who stole the copyright and royalties.

http://www.orwelltoday.com/orwellwriterwronged.shtml

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:52 AM
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31. Orwell really was on to something
Your "1984 was just a prelude" statement caused a coin to drop in by brain. A minor one, and probably old news to many, but still;

This thread inspired me to yet again post some stuff i have on formerly secret State Department documents that were written in 1948 - the same year when Orwell wrote his famous book (the dropping of the coin is the realization of the possible significance of this). The documents contain official (but still not made public) policies of which we can now see the results so clearly - it's basically the underpinning of the "1984" scenario that we see unfolding. This confirms my suspicion that it's no coincidence that book was written in the same year when those policies were layed down.

======

What follows are excerpts from the famous debate between Noam Chomsky and Richard Perle at The Ohio State University in 1988 (http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=8409).

In the debate Chomsky cites from now declassified documents from the State Department. Even an academic of high standing such as Noam Chomsky has a hard time getting access to such documents:

"One learns a lot from looking at the documentary record, and one learns a lot from the fact that certain people don't want you to look at it."
- Noam Chomsky

Chomsky makes a distinction between what he calls "official doctrine" - doctrine as created behind closed doors, and "widely proclaimed doctrine" - the policies as told to the public.
He notes that what's actually happening in the world (much of which goes unreported in the mainstream media) - ie US/Western support of various dictators and genocides, and the 'debt-trap' of so-called "Free Trade Agreements" - is in fact consistent with (secret) official doctrine, but inconsistent with publicly announced policies.

"Official doctrine is quite inconsistent with the historical and documentary record. (Official doctrine) conforms to the pattern of evolving events, and is entirely inconsistent with widely proclaimed doctrine."
- Noam Chomsky


Quotes from declassified State Department documents:

On the 3rd World:

"...a source of raw material and markets for the industrialist capitalist powers, to be exploited for their reconstruction"...

On Latin America:

"Prime concern is the protection of our raw materials. We have 50% of the worlds wealth but only 6% of its population, we must maintain this disparity to the extent possible, by force if necessary, putting aside vague and idealistic slogans such as human rights, raising of living standards, democratization, preferring police states if needed over democracies that might be to liberal and to indulgent to communists, the latter has lost any substantial meaning in US political rhetoric, referring simply to anyone who stands in our way."

"The primary threat to the US in Latin America is the trend towards nationalistic regimes that respond to popular demand for improvement in low living standards and production for domestic needs. That's not acceptable because the US is committed to encouraging a climate inductive to private investment, in particular guaranties for opportunity to earn and in the case of foreign capital to repatriate a reasonable return."

"We must therefore oppose what is regularly called ultra nationalism in secret documents, that means efforts to pursue domestic needs. We must foster exports or (...) production in the interests of US investors. It is recognized such programs have very little appeal to the Latin American public. So the conclusion is that we must therefore gain control over the military which can in turn control domestic opposition and overthrow civilian governments if necessary."

===

"There is a declassified State Department paper from 1948 that outlines what the US intended to do with various regions of the world after World War II. The US decided to take the Middle East and Asia. When it came to Africa, the document essentially says that we're not so interested in Africa, so we'll give it to the Europeans to "exploit"-that's the word used-for their reconstruction." - Chomsky
http://www.madre.org/articles/chomsky-0801.html

===

I. Fundamental Principles: Straight Power Concepts

The fundamental aims of Western foreign policy under American leadership, were stated in a now declassified top-secret planning report produced by the US State Department’s policy planning staff, headed at the time (February 1948) by the ‘liberal’ George Kennan: "We have about 50 per cent of the world’s wealth, but only 6.3 per cent of its population... In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain’ the ‘position of disparity’ between the West and the rest of the world. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction... We should cease to talk about vague and... unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we will have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better.’
http://www.transcend.org/t_database/articles.php?ida=78
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Qibing Zero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:32 PM
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40. It's so sick, isn't it?
But that's what the majority of American foreign policy has been about for at least that long, and continues at even a greater pace today.

This is the reality behind it all, and so few are willing to accept it and try to do something about it, mostly because it transcends the whole spectrum of Dem vs. Repub politics.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:25 PM
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59. That is must-know for all today.
Thanks for sharing that information, rman.

It's neat: I added the phrase "1984 was just a prelude" after proof-reading what I was about to post. As the meaning of the post came clear, a terrible realization passed over me. It was the dread these Bush bastards are serious in their machinations to take over the world. They are ruthless and they will not stop until they have done so. Or been imprisoned.

That's where you and the Truth come in. You gave hope to the possible realization that the BFEE doesn't have to win. What's to stop them? Information and TRUTH.

Those documents you describe seem so remarkable. First for what they could contain. Second and most importantly for what they may do to help us out of the Bush mess and into a new world.

My heart’s been aching for it for 42 years. There we'd be in an America that is again a land of freedom and justice. The world we'd be a part of would hold a peaceful and sustainable future for all Mankind.

Gee. Are samples of those documents available?

How do you plan on spreading the word?

If you need help, I'm at your service.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:15 PM
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19. Thanks for posting this.
:thumbsup:
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:03 AM
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23. They've killed lots of them. Take Marla Ruzicka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marla_Ruzicka

Totally blown up for the same thing, a peaceful observer in Iraq. reporting the body count. Here is some info, a right wing source, describing the reasons why her death was justified...even though she was killed by a "terrorist".

Mark manning met with a more fortunate fate:

http://www.correntewire.com/mark_mannings_stolen_fallujah_videotapes

But the motive is the same. All the reports of what go on in iraq are suppressed as much as possible...the false flag attacks, etc.
Everybody knows, but its like the american psyche can't handle how horrific it is, so they need hear it in little bit size pieces, like the pentagon planting news stories in the iraqi press etc.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:10 AM
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24. I never take any of these stories at face value.
The whole Jordanian female bomber who was married to the number two guy for Zarqawi and miraculously lived to confess on tv stunk from day one. The crap team Bush comes up with to sell this craptastic misadventure!
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:25 AM
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25. The "tell" is -- "...a previously unknown group..."
I always watch for this phrase. It often turns out to be a group never heard from again, committing an act that never gets fully explained.

Oh, and the usual way to tell if the CIA was behind an assissnation? The target survives. (Which may well be good news for Mssrs. Martino, Pollari, and Nucera.)

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:57 AM
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28. Any critical thinking left? Apparently not, if your post is an example.
I get so, so tired of the rampant paranoia that runs around DU. Some suspicion is good--too much will drive you to lunacy.

"Prominent Muslim cleics from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Palestine, Indonesia etc. have all condemned the kidnapping and have called for the CPT worker's release..."

So? Prominent clerics keep condemning kidnappings, and they keep happening. Deal with it, since not everything is a massive evil conspiracy. As for "Al Qaeda In Iraq," I suspect that it's more of an opportunisic guy with a website, claiming credit for whatever happens as if it were planned.

Every attact props up the US occupation? Gee, that must be why the war is polling so well, right? And why so many US troops are being killed? You're so eager to put more blame on the US government that you do a pole vault over basic reason and logic.

I suspect that the Iraqi woman lost her nerve and ran away at the last second. It makes more sense than her explosives belt failing to detonate, and it makes a HELL of a lot more sense than some tenuous web of half-ideas implying that the US bombed three Jordanian hotels for reasons passing understanding.

Many Iraqis' opinions is colored by hatred for the US, and the same kind of primitive knuckle-drag jingoistic nationalism that we had so much of over here during the first phase of the war. The belief that the people who are on "our side" can do no wrong, and that if anything bad happens, it must be the fault of the other side--hence, the ridiculous assumption that all terrorist attacks are carried out by the US. The rest of the Iraqis rightly hold the US to be indirectly responsible for the situation because of the lack of security.

"And the reason the Pentagon wants this civil unrest is to give them justification for setting up four permanent air bases in Iraq."

You don't think that the Pentagon would rather have cakewalked through Iraq the way they had originally planned, and been in Syria or Iran by now? They would still have their airbases if the war had gone swimmingly, but now they have to worry about their supply planes getting shot at. The idea that the war is going even remotely according to their plan is a rejection of reason on the level of the Bush administration's "stay the course" crap.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:12 PM
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39. Analyze This: British SAS dress as insurgents and kill an Iraqi policeman.
The peace officer was investigating two suspicious men in a car. The British soldiers wore disguised as members of the Iraqi "resistance." These UK soldiers shot the policeman dead as he approached their car. Iraqi police then gave chase to the two and captured them. It was found their car was packed with high explosives. The Iraqi police detained the men, treated them for their wounds and had them in jail. Then, the Royal Army or whatever busted them out of jail.



That's no theory. That's fact.

http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?p=12340

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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:01 PM
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44. I agree but to believe that an Iraqi perpetrated this attack requires an..
odd sort of leap of faith. We're to assume that Zarqawi is a general in this terrorist war. To reach that rank, he obviously has some tactical skills. Much like the leap of faith one has to take with regards to Syria's involvement in the Harari Assasination, an attack on Jordan seems rather stupid. Hitting that target would only hurt his cause but you seem to argue that he wouldn't know this. Of course he could have simply made a collossal mistake, those do happen in war, but a mistake this huge is rather unlikely.

My guess is someone other than forces in Iraq attacked Jordan. Who ever did it and for whatever reason, the results seem to favor the U.S. in this particular event. I think the OP's suspicions have some merit. I do agree that the war is not going as expected but I also believe this crew capable of committing any stunt imaginable to win. That's why I too have suspicions that there is something wrong with this story.
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:12 AM
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29. Can anyone...
Someone dumped the video on an anonymous upload service.

Can anyone find any evidence in the video? Here's a full version of the hostages... and it's quite long. Maybe there is some evidence here? The networks have only been publishing partial clips.

http://www.flurl.com/uploaded/kidap_10744.html

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:18 AM
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30. I agree with you
More than half of what we read or see on MSM is planted bull$spit. By the way the Lebanon assassination is no different. Truth will out.

What really is the difference between Pinochet's coup and the goons who seized power with SCOTUS' complicity in 2000.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:02 AM
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32. Actually, I hadn't thought of that.
It's amazing how susceptible people can be to the propaganda even while being aware that everything they say is propaganda. I've learned yet another valuable lesson about our government from reading your post, and I thank you for that. This is the reason why DU is such an important part of my life. K&R.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:54 AM
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35. Except
The real people involved have real histories of peace work abroad and at home, some spanning decades.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:59 AM
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36. .
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:08 PM
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38. Yes, peekaloo, he did for Iraq...
...what he did for Honduras and Nicargua and will do, now that he's our official intelligence czar, both domestic and foriegn, he'll do to American citizens what he does so well, which is create State Terror capable of dissuading the general population from getting in the way of the U.S. plutocrat imperial agenda. This man is evil personified.

Steve Kangas, one of the legions of mystery dead, put it this way:
    CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists," but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.

    This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious "School of the Americas." (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the "School of the Dictators" and "School of the Assassins." Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder.

    The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that by 1987, 6 million people had died as a result of CIA covert operations. (2) Former State Department official William Blum correctly calls this an "American Holocaust."
(See here.)

And just what is Elliot Abrams doing these days, a nefarious peer of Negroponte's during the American Holocaust and also brought back to the halls of power by George W Bush?
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:06 PM
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46. Dead Link - Please Resuscitate
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:14 PM
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50. Fixed link
Fixes obsolete link provided in my post, above. Here's a live one:

http://home.att.net/~Resurgence/CIAtimeline.html

Note this are mirror sites as Steve was suicided a number of years ago.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:56 PM
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51. Very nice article - Thanks
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:08 PM
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37. .
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dennisnyc Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:51 PM
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41. and don't forget Basra. Brits were found with bombs in their car
and there have been reports of other Brit and Us involvement in Iran as well.... spot on...keep going!
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:57 AM
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53. Also remember how the Basra story ended...
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 12:44 PM by Zodiak Ironfist
With a COALITION MILITARY forced break-in of the prison where the two Brits were held. This shows that these two idiots were NOT acting alone.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:40 PM
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42. War Profiteers and those trying to stop the truth from told are the
"Swords of Righteousness"
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:54 PM
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43. OK. You have just expressed what I've been thinking!
Really. The whole thing seems hard to believe.

Hmmmmm...2 Canadians... when we are in the midst of an election..opportunity for a Conservative Government to get in if they get the public wearing their "hate hats". Hmmmmm...I'm glad you posted this..cause there has to be others thinking this way?
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:55 PM
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48. Wise Up! is right. It's all deliberate-It's systematic destruction
Death Mask: The Deliberate Disintegration of Iraq

Bush helpfully supplied these savage gangs – who are killing dozens of people each week, Knight-Ridder reports – with American advisers who made their "counter-insurgency" bones forming right-wing death squads in Colombia and El Salvador. Indeed, Bush insiders have openly bragged of "riding with the bad boys" and exercising the "Salvador option," lauding the Reagan-backed counter-insurgency program that slaughtered tens of thousands of civilians, Newsweek reports. Bush has also provided a "state-of-the-art command, control and communications center" to coordinate the operation of his Iraqi "commandos," as the Pentagon's own news site, DefendAmerica, reports. The Iraqi people can go without electricity, fuel and medicine, but by God, Bush's "bad boys" will roll in clover as they carry out their murders and mutilations.

For months, stories from the Shiite south and Sunni center have reported the same phenomenon: people being summarily seized by large groups of armed men wearing police commando uniforms, packing high-priced Glocks, using sophisticated radios and driving Toyota Land Cruisers with police markings. The captives are taken off and never seen again – unless they turn up with a load of other corpses days or weeks later, bearing marks of the gruesome tortures they suffered before the ritual shot in the head. Needless to say, these mass murders under police aegis are rarely investigated by the police.

Earlier this year, one enterprising Knight-Ridder reporter, Yasser Salihee, actually found several eyewitnesses willing to testify to the involvement of the U.S.-backed commandos in 12 such murders. The offer was shrugged off by the Interior Ministry's spokesman – an American "adviser" and veteran bones-maker from the Colombian ops. In the end, it didn't matter; Salihee was shot dead by a U.S. sniper at a checkpoint a few days afterwards.

http://www.chris-floyd.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=315&Itemid=1

For any who doubt read this amazing analysis that Chris Floyd referred to in Above article:

Crying Wolf: Media Disinformation and Death Squads in Occupied Iraq

by Max Fuller

False Flags, Semiotics and Vulgar Marxists
 
The French theorist Jean Baudrillard famously once stated that the first Gulf War did not take place. By this he did not mean that nothing happened, but that its presentation in the media consisted of an overwhelming barrage of the signs of War, which bore essentially no relationship to the annihilation of a Third World army by the most advanced military power in history. In short it was a simulation of war. This was perhaps the most extreme example of what Baudrilliard referred to as the ‘ecstacy of communication’, that in our Information Age, concepts spin at such a rate that their outlines become lost and their original meanings are replaced with empty alternatives.
 
Fifteen years later, the same charges can be levelled against the recent Iraq ‘War’ and the country’s subsequent occupation. Most importantly, I believe that a process akin to that Baudrillard highlighted is being actively employed to simulate a civil war in Iraq. False-flag intelligence operations are aimed at sowing seeds of a sectarian strife that was largely non-existent prior to the invasion. Thus, even many Sunni Iraqis are coming to believe that the well-organised death squads run from the CIA-controlled intelligence hub are actually the Badr Brigade they often claim to be; and thus British SAS men in Arab disguise plant bombs at Shia religious festivals to be blamed on fanatical Wahabi Sunni ‘insurgents’.
 
Whether such tactics succeed in provoking further, autonomous acts of violence directed against the civilian population is much less significant than the impact they are able to exert within the media. This Anglo-American intelligence operation acts as a factory churning out the signs of Civil War: a ‘wave of tit-for-tat sectarian violence’ and the consequent ethnic cleansing. The signs are produced to be picked up by the media and spun and spun until nothing is left but a nebulous Civil War with no internal logic or structure, with the occupying forces as powerless to intervene as they were in the Balkans while Iraq splits into Rubiae’s desired four to six autonomous provinces. Those few journalists, like Yasser Salihee and Steven Vincent, who break the mould and start to investigate the actual authorship of extrajudicial killings themselves become victims.

When one former CIA operative candidly claimed that ‘Intelligence services are the heart and soul of a new country’ (Washington Post)), they were inadvertently expressing a position that Noam Chomsky might call ‘vulgar Marxist’. What they were actually confessing is that the essence of a state is the organisation of violence as the ultimate coercive measure and that the intelligence apparatus functions as its brain. Little wonder then that the US is so closely involved with intelligence services the world over, or that both coup d’états and savage repressions of sectors of the population deemed opposed to US interests have emanated from the offices of these same services.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=FUL20051110&articleId=1230
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:50 PM
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60. Just finished reading an intriguing British spy novel
"Sand Blind" by Julian Rathbone, which takes place in the build-up to the 1991 Gulf War. Saddam Hussein comes off as a bad guy, but so does nearly everyone else. It's a deeply cynical book, but the plot could very well be closer to what really happened than the "official story."
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:56 PM
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49. yes yes yes yes and no
A LOT of people lack that critical thinking skill. A Lot.

Exccellent Post!
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:29 AM
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52. .
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:38 PM
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56. sunday kick
Ask questions, demand answers.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 07:20 PM
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57. What about the Anthrax?
Why were only publications and Dems 'targeted'?
Why have we not caught the perps?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 07:44 PM
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58. And where's Osama bin Forgotten???
:shrug:
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:12 PM
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61. .
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:19 PM
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62. tuesday kick
like i need an excuse
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