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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:10 AM
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Neil Bush Travels with Rev. MOON as 'Peace Leader'
His heart belongs to Daddy:





Neil Bush travels with Moon as "peace leader"

So that's what he's been up to since his divorce (see also "miscellaneous consulting services").


And another Bush joins the Reverend Moon world tour. Brother Neil's journey with Washington Times owner and possible Messiah Rev. Sun Myung Moon is reported in the Manila Bulletin. The occasion: promoting Moon's idea for Universal Peace Federation. According to Moon's promotional videos, his organizations are prophecied to kick off his "Eternal Peace Kingdom," in which all religions and countries would become one under his guidance.

To the casual observer, a surprising cause for a Bush to get behind...


World peace advocate and staunch supporter of interfaith cooperation Rev. Sun Myung Moon yesterday praised President Arroyo and Speaker Jose de Venecia for their pioneering efforts in pushing global interfaith dialogue that has won the approval of the United Nations.
Moon is in the country to open the inaugural convocation of the Universal Peace Federation (UPF) in Manila.

Together with peace leaders that included Neil Bush, younger brother of US President George W. Bush, Moon arrived yesterday as part of a 100-day tour that is taking him to 100 cities in 67 nations and covering a journey of almost 100,000 miles.

SNIP...

As part of this tour -- which hasn't been fully embraced by the real U.N., contrary to the reporter's assertion -- Moon is also calling for a tunnel linking Alaska and Russia, with help from the chairman of the Arizona GOP and various metropolitan leaders of different political stripes.

CONTINUED w/LINKS...

http://iapprovethismessiah.com/2005/12/neil-bush-travels-with-moon-as-peace.html



They don't call it the Bush Family Evil Empire for nothing.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:13 AM
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1. Hide the Hookers!
Stock up on penicillin. Neil "The Wheel" is comin' to town!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:29 AM
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6. LOL! Neil never answered if the 'comfort girls' were over 15, either.
...but first, Neil had to terrorize the little children of Taipei:



Annette Lu rapt as Moonies icon preaches about peace

DPA , TAIPEI
Friday, Dec 02, 2005,Page 4

Advertising Moon Sun-myung, founder of South Korea's Unification Church, was in Taiwan on Wednesday to launch a global peace campaign and promote the formation of "ideal families."
Speaking to a packed audience on the 78th stop of his world speaking tour, the 86-year-old Moon announced his campaign to help the UN maintain world peace.

He suggested linking the Bering Strait with a bridge or an undersea tunnel to narrow the gap between Asia and Europe and thus bring about a unified world.

Moon declared that "spirits" have arrived on Earth to watch human beings' every move.

"Those who stray away from the heavenly way will be punished," he said.

Some 3,000 people, including Vice President Annette Lu (CG@), US President George W. Bush's younger brother Neil Bush and Washington Times president Joo Dong Moon, listened to Reverend Moon's speech at the Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall in Taipei.

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http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2005/12/02/2003282608



Whatever happened to family values, TOJ?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:11 PM
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40. To say nothing of antivirals, he has a herpes problem according to his ex
From nasty sores to nasty sores!! I guess that nasty sore Moon is using ole Neil to funnel money now....

And PEACE? That is the theme? Neil probably thought it entailed PIECE, as in piece of ass....an Emily Litella moment for him, no doubt!

What's scary is that Neil looks like the lights are on, and someone is at least half awake, in comparison to his big brother. And that is saying little....
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:19 AM
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2. The UPF is Moon's latest planet gigging unit.
Like father like son, Bush 41 helped Moon gained credibility all over the world by traveling and helping him


Here's a post at KOS which will give more detail and links to video and other stuff which will explain some of what Bush is helping.

It is Moon's one world government.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/2/224046/295
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:50 AM
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9. Wow! Thanks, Cell Whitman. Rev. Moon is one powerful nutjob.
From CW's excellent link:



Neil Bush is traveling with Sun Myung Moon, here's what they are doing.

by moonboots

Fri Dec 02, 2005 at 08:40:46 PM PDT
John Gorenfeld has a post up about Neil Bush joining the conservative's Messiah Sun Myung Moon on his world tour -- this stop Manila.

Moon is promoting his planet gigging unit, The Universal Peace Federation. The UPF is designed by Moon to cajole United Nations into adding a theocratic body to work within the UN structure or, should that fail, the UPF will act as Moon's own "God centered" UN. There are others who have proposed a bigger role for the religious within the UN but they have settled for operating like an NGO, working from outside the UN in an advisory capacity. In Moon's vision, the theocratic body would be a separate body and be above the current secular one, with the leader of the UN coming from this religious and "cultural" body. The UN is supposed to have laughed at the idea, yet they passed a resolution for dialogue on the subject a year ago.


moonboots's diary :: ::

This was a big stop for Moon. Since he is not a nation, the Philippines has been promoting the theocratic body within the UN for him. The speaker of the house of the Philippines openly states that their efforts to push the theocratic body is being lead by Moon. This has been going on for couple years but the media, other than Moon's own, won't cover it. They are uninformed and blind.

I find, quite frankly, no one who seems to understand Moon. People think that until we go down and vote for him in a theocracy that all's well, he isn't winning. Others ignore him because he is old and they think when he dies it's all over. They are wrong.

Moon outspent Scaife moving our nation right and theocratic. He and his operatives make it clear his job as "messiah" is to raise up the Christian "right" and bring them into control of our nation. Christianity had to be revived so they will accept him and his "work."

Let me tell you something, Moon has more to do with our nations current political climate than anyone. Anyone. Yet again, thanks to an ineffective media, our nation is unaware of his efforts.

Two things remain at the top of my wonderlist. One is why, given the historical fact that Moon easily outspent Scaife propping up hard right politics in the USA with BILLIONS of dollars over the last 30 years, given that Moon provided front groups and guidance to the new right, and has funded the "religious" right and literally played a huge role in creating, molding, designing the new conservative movement we see around us today - given all that, why, when blowhard uniformed hypocrites like Oreily squawk about UNITED STATES CITIZEN Soros donating to a liberal causes, why don't liberals stuff Moon down their throats? O'Reily, Coulter, Rush, Hannity, Savage, Hume, all of them should go on FOX and bow to Moon, he brought them to power. No Moon No one like Bush is president, that is for sure.

CONTINUED...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/2/224046/295



Hey, Cell Whitman! Have you met DUer blm? The initials stand for "Bush Loves Moonies." blm knows a LOT about the Moon-BFEE axis.
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:32 PM
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50. blm....
about 5 years ago I started studying Moon. I read from Parry about Bush 41 shilling for the old devil and couldn't believe it wasn't huge news and a scandal. The more I have read the more I am convinced that Moon has more to do with our nation's political situation than anyone.

Anywho, I started posting on forums a few years ago. Most people politely ignored me or thought I was nuts. Lots of people laughed when I said we were a theocratic nation in diapers, just getting started. They don't laugh anymore. bushluvsmoonies was one who gave me support and as you can tell by her name, she 'gets' it.

Who was it she backed for pres? Wasn't she a big Bob Graham backer?

hahahahaha

I will always have soft spot for blm. If I had her knack for phrasing and framing Moon would be in chains.

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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:03 AM
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20. Octafish and Cell Whitman, thanks for these great links.
I always knew Moon and his organizations had WAY too much influence in Washington, but until I read these articles I had no idea he was a bigger donor to religious right and conservative causes than Sciafe. I've just spent the last hour reading these links. It sounds like Moon is THE driving force behind the move to theocracy in this country, and he has the money to buy all the influence he wants. Scary!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:32 PM
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53. Anytime, Raksha! Tell your pals about Moon and his ties to Poppy + BFEE.
Anybody who likes to read is all right with me.

Here's a nice rundown on the financial (ENRON just the tip of a recent iceberg) aspects of the Bush Family Evil Empire:



The Bush Family: A Continuing Criminal Enterprise?

Gary W. Potter, PhD.
Professor, Criminal Justice
Eastern Kentucky University

Jeb Bush: Influence Peddling for a Bust-Out Scam

But, Neil Bush was not the only Bush brother involved in the Savings and Loan collapses. Jeb Bushs, the current Governor of Florida, curious relationship with Miguel Recarey is another illustration. Recarey was a long-time business associate of Tampa organized crime figure Santos Trafficante. Recarey also fled the U.S. facing three separate indictments for labor racketeering, illegal wiretapping and Medicare fraud (Freedburg, 1988: A1). Recareys business, International Medical Centers, was the largest health maintenance organization for the elderly in the U.S. and had been supported from $1 billion in payments from the Medicare program. International Medical Centers went bankrupt in 1988 (Freedburg, 1988: A1; Royce and Shaw, 1988: 4). When International Medical Centers went under it left $222 million in unpaid bills and was under investigation for $100 million in Medicare fraud (Freedbrug, 1988: A1; Frisby, 1992: G1). The U.S. Office of Labor Racketeering in Miami referred to Recarey and his company as the classic case of embezzlement of government funds ... a bust-out operation (Freedburg, 1988: A1)

Jeb Bushs role in this saga being in 1985 when Recareys attempt to create his bust-out scam corporation ran into a federal regulation that said no HMO could get more that 50% of its revenue from Medicare (Freedburg, 1988: A1; Royce and Shaw, 1988: 4). Jeb Bush intervened on Recareys behalf with Helath Human Services Secretary Margaret Heckler and one of her top aides. Convincing them to waive the regulation in the case of Recareys company (Freedburg, 1988: A1; Royce and Shaw, 1988: 4). In addition to Jeb Bushs intervention, Recarey had paid $1 million to senior Republican lobbyists in Washington, who were also working the staff of Health and Human Services in pursuance of a waiver (Freedburg, 1988: A1; Royce and Shaw, 1988: 4). In addition, Jeb Bush had contacted Secretary Heckler earlier about complaints from doctors over the quality of International Medical Centers care and allegations that Recarey had embezzled funds form another hospital (Royce and Shaw, 1988: 4). Jeb Bush told an aide to Secretary Heckler that contrary to any rumors that were floating around concerning Mr. Recarey, that he was a solid citizen from Mr. Bushs perspective down there , that he was a good community citizen and a good supporter of the Republican Party (Royce and Shaw, 1988: 4).

Not surprisingly, in 1988 Recareys company gave Jeb Bushs real estate company $75,000 to help it find a site for a new corporate headquarters (Freedburg, 1988: A1; Royce and Shaw, 1988: 4). It was a bad investment because International Medical Centers had already selected a corporate headquarters location when it hired Jeb Bush (Royce and Shaw, 1988: 4).

Jeb Bush had a role in yet another Savings and Loan fiasco when he defaulted on a loan from Broward Federal Savings and Loan (LaFraniere , 1990: A24). Broward Federal loaned $4,565.000 to J Edward Houston, a real developer in February, 1985. The loan was secured only by Houstons personal guarantee. On the same day, one of Houstons company lent the same amount to a partnership made up of Jeb Bush and Armondo Codina for the purpose of purchasing a building in Miami. The Bush-Condina partnership was required to repay the loan only if revenues from the building were sufficient to cover the repayment. Bush and Condina made no payments on the loan at all and in 1987 Houston defaulted on the Broward Federal loan and the Bank sued both Houston and the Bush-Condina real estate partnership. In a sweetheart settlement with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Bush and Codina only had to repay $500,000 of the $4.5 million loan and got to retain ownership of the building which had been the collateral on the loan. In 1991, the FDIC sued the officers and directors of Broward Federal charging that the loan ultimately used by Bush and Codina was an example of the banks negleient lending practices (Frisby, 1992: G1). The Bush-Codina loan played a key part in the failure of Broward Federal which cost taxpayers $285 million (LaFraniere , 1990: A24).

CONTINUED...

http://critcrim.org/critpapers/potter.htm



Finance is just a minor business criminal line for these turds.

You should see their take on serious commodities like petroleum and narcotics.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:22 AM
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3. Neil Bush is a...
... "peace leader?"

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:


Neil is just firming up his worldwide "consulting arrangements," that's all. Proves one thing--the BFEE is probably the most shameless bunch of opportunists this country has seen in a long, long, long time.

Can't wait to see how many $100,000 speeches ex-president Dubya gets to make after 2008.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:00 AM
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10. If there's Justice, Smirk will never get the chance to spend the money.
He'll be in the Federal penitentiary.

Abramoff got connected directly to Bush today:



Bush Abruptly Ended Abramoff Investigation in 2002! (must-see!!)

Update <2005-12-2 11:41:16 by Sherlock Google>: BUSH SILENCED PREVIOUS ABRAMOFF INVESTIGATION IN 2002. KARL HELPED TO GET BUSH REMOVE FREDERICK BLACK FROM ABRAMOFF CASE AND CLOSE INVESTIGATION OF GUAM SCANDAL!


An early administration attempt to cover for Abramoff?
This from today's LA Times ...

A U.S. grand jury in Guam opened an investigation of controversial lobbyist Jack Abramoff more than two years ago, but President Bush removed the supervising federal prosecutor and the inquiry ended soon after.

Abramoff, who then represented the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, alerted his clients in a memo about the expected report and warned: "It will require some major action from the Hill and a press attack to get this back in the bottle."

It is of course important to remember that all of this happened before the scandals began to erupt around Abramoff. Thus it would have been before he became so radioactive that the White House began to wash its collective hands of him. Note that the article suggests Karl Rove's direct involvement in the choice of Black's replacement.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/2/103145/544

CONTINUED...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/2/103145/544

DUer kpete got the ball rolling here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5502675



After that, it's The Hague.

I'm so glad.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:20 AM
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12. This is kind of old news...
... and one would have a helluva time proving that Bush's removal of Fred Black was intended to impede a grand jury investigation... unless someone talks. :)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:35 PM
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35. Scanlon's not alone. And there's that murder in Florida...
If Abramoff survives the days before his own trials, maybe he'll be up for naming names. Otherwise, I hope he and his henchme-, uh, cohorts remember during Iran-Contra, the BFEE pretty much put the blame on alzheimerish Reagan and the suddenly cancer-filled and mute DCI Bill Casey.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:23 AM
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4. World SLEAZE leader is more like it
The cult of Smirk and the cult of Moon are thisclose.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:16 AM
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11. Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush.
From the "Know your BFEE" series:

Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush.

Dont take my word for it. Read The Washington Times. Its Poppy Bushs favorite paper, because they pay him so well. Millions, in hundred thousand bills, please.



Even our friends on the right know that.


Porkers

EXCERPT

Well, if the Heritage foundation says it, we better jump up and down like the trained dogs we are. Did you know The Heritage Foundation has taken funding from The Korean CIA. They welcome Moon's influence. Just like the ENTIRE conservative movement, which has been taken over by religious freaks and fascists.

The party formerly known as "Republican" exists NO MORE.

Moon has one belief, that he is the Messiah. He has one goal, to wrench control of the world.

Put "Bush + Moonies' in your google and read about how the conservatives sold their souls for power to Moon. What a bunch of anti-Jesus frauds. In 1989 US News reported that virtually EVERY conservative group in DC had ties to Moon's organization. Moon literally brags about using The Washington Times to get the chumps to follow him to theo fascist hell, which is where Bush is taking us. Bush IS doing "True Father's" bidding, wittingly or not. No Moon NO Bush. Kinda spooky when you consider Moon said presidents would have to come to him for power. This is true in the republican party, today.

See Jerry Falwell hugging the conservative "savior" Moon here. The conservative leadership sold their souls to Moon and their pod followers have no idea.

Look at this. Can you say HYPOCRITE. That is what conservatives are.

http://www.freedomofmind.com/stevehassan/presskit/articles/parry1.htm

http://www.worldmagblog.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=194


Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church

http://www.perkel.com/politics/moonies /


Dark Side of Rev. Moon

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon.html


Gee. Hes using all his money to buy gold and land and what sounds like an enormous jungle redoubt, the kind Ian Flemings supervillain likes


And who else built a jungle redoubt in the virgin Paraguayan Amazon?

WHY HAVEN'T THE BUSH ADMINSTRATION UTOPIAN LUNATICS SCREECHING ABOUT "ISLAMIC TERRORISTS" OPERATING ON THE BRAZILIAN SIDE OF THE TRI-BORDER AREA, SAID DIDDLY ABOUT MOON'S OPERATIONS?


RIO DE JANEIRO, Oct. 23 (EIRNS) Rev. Moon's cult has been the subject of a multi-agency, federal and state, national security investigation in Brazil, since at least July 2001.
The investigations were undertaken at the initiative of the Army, because the Moon cult was accumulating enormous, contiguous tracts of land on both sides of the Paraguayan and Brazilian border--in an area very near the Triple Border region (where Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay meet), notorious for drug, arms and other contraband.

It was estimated back in 2001, that the Moonies had made a $2 billion dollar investment in building their supposed "Garden of Eden" in the Brazil-Paraguay area. The Brazilian magazine {Isto E} described it in this way in its Feb. 19, 2002 story, "Paradise Under Suspicion":

"A kind of independent territory is being created in silence, in an area between the border of Brazil and Paraguay. It is the tropical paradise of Rev. Sun Myung Moon, formed through a succession of nature preserves, where the rivers Nabilequie, Miranda, Paraguai, Prata, and Salobra cross. In total, the properties add up to 833,000 hectares, which is the equivalent of more than three Luxembourgs, the European Grand-Duchy. In it, would fit the whole Federal District, plus the cities of Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. If the lands were used for agrarian reform, they would be enough to provide for 41,650 families. Although they are not yet continguous, the lands being acquired are so close to one another that it is impossible to imagine that this is not being done to unify them."

CONTINUED...

http://www.worldmagblog.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?ent...

http://www.worldmagblog.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=194

OK. Lets Play Political Celebrity Blackmail:


Wead in the Rose Garden

Doug Wead, a Bush family advisor and counselor to Dubya, has a history of crass opportunism and the release of the Bush tapes was only the most recent example

Most of Doug Wead's political career has been spent out of the public eye. Except for a failed run for an Arizona congressional seat in the early nineties, he's generally worked behind the scenes, first serving President George H.W. Bush and later, advising George W. He's generally avoided the headlines in the mainstream press. Last month, however, Wead came charging into the hot glare of the media spotlight. When you scratch beneath the surface you find an Assemblies of God minister who divorced his wife, a man involved with pyramid schemes, televangelizing faith-healers and the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.

CONTINUED

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=18789

Shh. This sort of things leaves you open to blackmail.

Heh heh.

Great DU replies:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3355939
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:24 AM
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5. Hopefully Rev Moon will have the Bush family drink kool Aid
with razor blades in it.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:23 AM
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13. Their real fuehrer would approve.
...to save face rather than surrender.





June 11, 2004

Syung Mung Moon Crowned King in US Senate Building

Well - apparently America really is a Christian Nation - but it's the Moonies who have officially been chosen by the US Government to be the official state religion. On March 23rd 2004 Moon was officially crowned messiah by Congress in the Senate Dirksen Office Building.

What's scary is - why don't you see this in the news media? Maybe this is why it feels like America is one big cult - because it is! America is being run by the Moonies and they own a lot of Americas press uncluding United Press International (UPI) and The Washington Times. When the government crowns Sun Myung Moon king, (Moon spokesman explains moon corination cerimony - windows media format) recognizes Moon as messiah, and supports his campaign to replace the Cross with the Crown - don't you think that Christians would want to know that?

If this isn't a reason to support the separation of church and state I don't know what is. There are those out there who believe that America is a Christian nation. Well - apparently from this they are right. But the dominate flavor of Christianity is the Moonies. It's the Unification Church that is the brand of Christianity that is pulling the governments strings.

You see - the idea of a Christian Nation is very appealing to Christians until the Moonies get control. But when the Moonies get it - I suppose the Christians would want some sort of separation of the State and Denominations. Would it be any different if the Baptists were in control? Or if the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, or Seventh Day Adventists, or the Church of Scientology was in control? After all - from the perspective of the only true religion, The Church of Reality all these Christian denominations are just as crazy as the Moonies. Especially if they had the kind of power that the Moonies have.

I challenge all Christians to look into this and find out how much influence the Moonies have in your church and in your denomination. If you only knew it would shock the hell out of you. Now that the government wants you to Take Down the Cross and put up the Crown - how do you feel about the separation of church and state now?

CONTINUED...

http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000272.html




Before they drink, they'll try and take the rest of the country with them, just like their real fuehrer.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:19 PM
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41. Guess who RESERVED THE ROOM for that shindig--you will crap when I tell
you--SENATOR JOHN WARNER, R-VA.

He averred that he was SHOCKED, and did not endorse it, and one of his staffers acted out of turn. Yeah, right!

When John Gorenfield first wrote about that shindig in SALON, I sent him an email and asked him to make a hundred phone calls to find out, and bet him that he would get his answer before he hit the sixties, if he only called all the GOP senators first!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:24 PM
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52. Well flood my Depends! Warner's BFEE!
The guy's a major stooge for the Bush Family Evil Empire.

When he has time, he drools over stills of the petulant nutjob.

With Moon, they have sold their souls to satan in the form of the military-industrial-enslavement-death-complex.

Cindy Sheehan can say it better than me:

div class="excerpt"]

Still Not Worth It

by Cindy Sheehan

Last January, I was bumped from the Larry King Live show for an appearance by the soon to be proven innocent Michael Jackson. I was going to be on the program to answer the question: Did I feel my son's murder in Iraq was "worth it" after the "free" elections in the war torn country on January 30th. I wrote an article then called: "Not Worth It."

I never thought I would be invited back on as a guest after I pretty much burned the Larry King bridge with my article. However, to my astonishment, I was invited to be a guest on June 28th. I was asked to be on the broadcast in order to give my impressions and rebuttal to George's speech on Iraq that he delivered in front of the less than enthusiastic (what the White House spin doctors call: respectful) troops at Ft. Bragg, NC.

I felt like I was in Bizarro World as I heard George speak about 9/11 five times and mention terrorism 31 times, even though these rationales for war have been disproved repeatedly. I think George thinks that since we believed him once about terrorism vis--vis Iraq, that we must therefore be gullible enough to believe him this time. I don't know, and I am not a professional pundit, but my theory is he might have mentioned 9/11 to manipulate our emotions and maybe even frighten us a little again?

The thing that struck me when I was watching that vacuous man giving his hollow speech was the fact that he could have always replaced the word "terrorists" with the phrase: "my moronic and callous foreign policies" For example, when he said that terrorists spread death and destruction on the streets of Baghdad and kill innocent people, he could have just as easily said: "My moronic and callous foreign policies spread death and destruction on the streets of Baghdad and kill innocent people." When he said that we need to stop terrorists from toppling governments in the region, he could have just as easily said: "We need to stop my moronic and callous foreign policies from toppling governments in the region." People have characterized the speech-lite in many ways, but if I had to pick a few words to describe it, I would say: "Hypocritical, manipulative, condescending, meaningless drivel."

I sat through an entire hour in the CNN studio in DC hearing not one person say that the invasion was a mistake and if it was a mistake, then our troops should be brought home immediately. Even the "Democratic" Senators (Kerry and Bayh) on the program just gave their recipes for "success" in Iraq, which did not include any exit strategies. The guest host for that hour was Bob Costas and he asked one guest, Sen. John McCain, an intriguing question: "If you could push Button One and have an eventual wonderful outcome in Iraq, or if you could push Button Two and never have had it happen, which one would you pick?" Of course, Sen. McCain chose Button One. He hasn't had a loved one killed in this enormous tragedy of a war, nor does he have a loved one in harm's way. It has not affected him personally one bit. What skin is it off McCain's nose if our troops remain for a highly unlikely rosy outcome at the cost of thousands of more lives? I would push the button that would bring back my son, Casey, and the tens of thousands of other victims who have been killed for nothing but outright lies and bald-faced betrayals. I would push the button that would give Iraq back its power, water, and infrastructure.

My absolute favorite guest of the evening was Sen. John Warner, powerful chair of the Senate Armed Disservices Committee. Of course, he fell in lockstep behind his Fhrer and praised the speech and how, although we have "all" paid a terrible price for this invasion and occupation, bringing freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people is worth all the sacrifices that the world is making. I sat in the Green Room with Sen. Warner's entourage. I wondered (even out loud) what price they have paid for our administration's misdeeds in Iraq. They all looked like happy, well-fed, well-dressed, well-educated, and well-hydrated Americans. They looked to me like they had plenty of electricity to blow-dry their hair and charge their cell phones and laptops. They looked like they had quite a nice supply of clean drinking water and fresh food. I sincerely doubt if any of them had a loved one ripped from their lives by a car bomb, IED, or bullet in an ambush. I wondered who the "we" was that John Warner spoke of. I spoke with John Warner after his interview and told him unless he was prepared to sacrifice even a good night's sleep over this senseless and criminal war, then he should work on ending it, not prolonging the carnage. He told me that I was "entitled to my opinion," but he would respectfully have to disagree with me. That was awfully Constitutional of him!

CONTINUED...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/sheehan/sheehan10.html



When "It" is a war based on a LIE, "It" will never be worth it.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:29 AM
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7. I call bullshit. This is from The Onion, surely.
This is just too bizarre, otherwise. Please, God -- be a huge, steaming pile of bullshit, and let this not be a further sign of the coming apocalypse.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:43 AM
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8. Sorry, but the ENTIRE Bush family
Has been involved with Moon for years. I haven't the slightest clue why, but they have been.

You'll find a lot of stuff here.

http://www.perkel.com/politics/moonies/index.htm
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:32 AM
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15. La La La la La La *fingers in ears*
Rught now, I'm concentrating on how we, as a nation, are not completely retarted. Your opst make sit difficult to do that, and I am, therefore, pretending as if you never posted it.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:03 AM
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21. now *that's* funny
:rofl:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:30 PM
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43. Real funny.


These theocratic fascists want to, um, run the world.

Here's what they've done for elections:



Vanishing Act

(Rise of the Reconstructionists)


EXCERPT...

The American vote-count is controlled by three major corporate players -- Diebold, ES&S, and Sequoia -- with a fourth, Science Applications International Corporation, coming on strong. These companies -- all of them hardwired into the Bushist Party power grid -- have been given billions of dollars by the Bush Regime to complete a sweeping computerization of voting machines nationwide by the 2004 election.

Who's behind these private companies? It's hard to tell: The corporate lines -- even the bloodlines -- of these "competitors" are so intricately mixed. For example, at Diebold -- whose corporate chief, Wally O'Dell, a top Bush fundraiser, has publicly committed himself to "delivering" his home state's votes to Bush next year -- the election division is run by Bob Urosevich. Bob's brother, Todd, is a top executive at "rival" ES&S. The brothers were originally staked in the vote-count business by Howard Ahmanson, a member of the Council for National Policy, a right-wing "steering group" stacked with Bushist faithful . Ahmanson is also one of the bagmen behind the extremist "Christian Reconstructionist" movement, which openly advocates a theocratic takeover of American democracy, placing the entire society under the "dominion" of "Christ the King."

CONTINUED...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4801.htm



Gee. That doesn't sound funny to me. That sounds troubling, for starters.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:14 AM
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22. It's not
It's to be taken seriously and they take themselves seriously. Moon is a lunatic but he takes himself seriously. What scares me is at the Marc Perkel site he mentions a guy named Harold Ford junior was listed on the invite for one of his events and Ford is running for the Senate here. :\ This is a bit old information but I don't want anything to do with someone who is associated with them. :\ Is there any recent information??
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:08 AM
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25. These pictures were taken
in the DIRKSEN SENATE BUILDING:






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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:47 AM
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26. Oi Karenininha
:hug:

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:14 AM
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28. PERFECT!!!
:loveya:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:21 AM
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29. How are you?
I've been sleepless all week, but I must get some rest, some how. I keep running into bull shit that pisses me off. Have you seen this?!? :mad: It's just one of many things that have put me over the edge this week. :grr:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5505084
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:02 AM
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32. Sen.Warner obtained the Dirksen building for crowning Moonie the Messiah..
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:06 PM
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46. CIA gets help from Moon ... no separation of church/state there huh?
Next thing you know the CIA (formed by mostly Knights of Malta) will make 'ol Moon an honorary SMOM or Opus Dei ! If Bob Novak qualifies, why not ?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:27 PM
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49. Meanwhile, Moon bought old Soviet submarines and sold them to North Korea.
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:27 AM
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14. The hell?
:puke:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:47 PM
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36. Robert Parry at Consortiumnews.com pegged Moon and Bush.
The Dark Side of Rev. Moon

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon.html



Poppy and Quaker Oats Man chop cake with a Moon Right-Hand Guy and Gal.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:16 PM
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44. More from Robert Parry.
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 03:21 PM by Zan_of_Texas
Octafish, you always beat me to the draw! <G>

Secrets & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq
by Robert Parry
(The Media Consortium, 2004)

Robert Parry is a 27-year veteran of Washington journalism. He broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek.

He writes about Moon in his book. A few notes from the book:

p. 235 Sources of Moon's cash are unknown. Drugs? Korean govt? trafficking in weapons AND drugs? "Without doubt...Moon's organization has had a long record of assoc. with organized crime figures, including ones implicated in the drug trade."

p. 267 In 1995, Rev. Jerry Falwell hailed 2 VA businessmen as financial saviors of debt-ridden Liberty University, Falwell's fundamentalist Christian school. But, Falwell's secret benefactor was Rev. Sun Myung Moon. One of his front groups funneled $3.5 million to the businessmen's Christian Heritage Foundation. "Falwell was joyous. He told local reporters that the moment was 'the greatest single day of financial advantage' in the school's history."

p. 269 Ironically, "Falwell's financial angel -- Sun Myung Moon -- was the one with mysterious connections to South American drug lords dating back at least to his cozy relations with Bolivia's Cocaine Coup govt in the early 1980s. Moon, whose history also included close ties to the Asian yakuza crime organization and longstanding allegations of money laundering, had achieved extraordinary influence at the highest levels of the U.S. government by funneling hundreds of millions of dollars into conservative causes."

p. 275 In 1997, his Washington Times Foundation made a $1 million plus donation to George H W Bush's presidential library in Texas.

see also:

Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Buying the Right
by Robert Parry
Consortium News
c. 1997
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon3.html
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:34 AM
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16. Exactly
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 01:35 AM by FreedomAngel82
There is something going on there for them to make money. Wasn't Neil the security person at the WTC up until 9/11/01? I thought all the Bush's were Christian's?
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:57 AM
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18. The security person wasn't Neil.
It was another brother named Marvin Bush, who we don't often hear about. I don't know much about him except for the name and the fact that he was in charge of security at the WTC on 9/11.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:14 AM
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23. That's it
I knew it was one of his brothers but wasn't sure if it was Neil or not. And intrestingly enough his contract was up on 9/11/01.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:46 AM
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17. This would be a front page story if the USA had a free press.
When Jimmy Carter's younger brother did and said a few redneck things, he was big news in every paper and on every network.

But members of the BFEE can get away with all sorts of stuff because the press always takes it easy on them.

For example, Babs Bush is apparently not the silver-haired fairy godmother that the press has made her out to be. Her every word and action shows that she is more like that mean old lady on the corner who hates your dog.

But I've never heard even a suggestion of that in the media.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:22 AM
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24. It's really disgusting
and this is serious stuff. Check this out though. I saw this posted in the comments section and it looks interesting. It's a book written by someone who proclaims to have been a Moonie for more than a decade and than left: http://www.moonbook.com/index2.html
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:02 AM
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19. Silverado Savings and Loan -just another bushtheif
If this guy were a Dem he would be behind bars.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:14 PM
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51. Silverado cost the nation a billion. Neil's cut was a lousy 650K.k.
The Savings and Loans industry was looted nationwide in the late 80s and early 90s. The beneficiaries all were friends of the Bushes: the well-to-do, the politically connected, the CIA and the Mafia.



Neil Bush: Taking Down Silverado

In 1990 federal bank regulators filed a $200 million lawsuit against the officers of Silverado Banking, including Neil Bush, brother of the current President. The lawsuit accused them of gross negligence which resulted in a loss of $1 billion by Silverado and the banks ultimate collapse (Los Angeles Times, 1990). According to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation: Our conclusion is that Silverado was the victim of sophisticated schemes and abuses by insiders and of gross negligence by its directors and outside professionals (Johnston, 1990). Neil Bush was reprimanded by the Office of Thrift Supervision for pervasive conflicts of interest while serving as a paid director of the bank Of particular concern was his role in a serious of loans totaling $132 million from the bank to two businessmen, Bill Walters and Kenneth Good (Los Angeles Times, 1990: 1; Isikoff, 1992: A1). Walters and Good, after securing the loans from Silverado, lent Neil Bush $100,000 and later forgave the loan entirely. In addition, Walters and Good owned a company which paid $550,000 in salaries to Neil Bush (Los Angeles Times, 1990: 1; Isikoff, 1992: A1). In the end Walters and Good lost a total of $330 million loaned to them by Silverado. They also received instructions from a member of Silrverados board of directors on the establishment of family trusts to prevent the government from seizing the money they owed the bank (Kwitny, 1992: 32). The shutdown of Silverado was postponed from October to December 1988 so that it would happen after President Bush, Sr.s election campaign had ended. Neil Bush had to pay only $50,000 to settle the federal lawsuit against him and he was able to avoid any legal costs because a senior banking industry lobbyist formed a legal defense fund to pay the legal costs (Fritz, 1992).

Neil Bush also profited enormously from another company on verge of bankruptcy. Apex Energy paid him over $2000,000 in salary and oil deed compensation payments while teetering on the edge of bankruptcy (Failing firm paid Neil Bush big salary, 1992).

Neil Bushs small oil company also seemed to profit from its political connections when it was awarded a 1987 contract to drill for oil in Argentina (Bush 's Son Misses Deadline For Reporting Inside Sale,1991).

CONTINUED...

http://critcrim.org/critpapers/potter.htm



It's nice to be a prince of the realm.



The laws don't apply to you.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:00 AM
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27. Who is Moon, anyway? How did he get started?
?
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:30 AM
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30. Meet the Radical Cleric Moon:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:22 PM
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48. Google "Sun Myung Moon CIA" and see what comes up...
History of the Moonies
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/moonhistory.htm

for openers.

""This group was founded in 1954 by North Korean, Sun Myung Moon (real name- Yung Myung Moon which translates as the Shining Dragon) who claims that Jesus came to him when he was 16 and asked him to fulfill his mission on earth. In reality, information is now coming forth from Korea and Japan which show that Moon himself was involved with two cult-like groups and split off and stole much of the other group's teachings. According to one of Moon's earliest disciples, Moon was involved with a Mr. Young Do Lee (group name is unknown) and Mr. Baek Moon Kim of the Monastery of Israel when in South Korea. It is claimed that Moon took much of his teaching, The Divine Principle from Mr. Kim's books, "The Theology of Spirituality," and "Basic Principles". Kim's writings included the Principles of Creation, the Fall, and Restoration.

It was only after the 1961 coup of Park Chung Hee, that the CIA helped to set up the KCIA. Colonel Bo Hi Pak was the CIA-KCIA liason man in the Washington embassy of the South Korean government and is Moon's chief translator and right hand man- on the board of many of the multi-million dollar operations. Reportedly, Moon's organization Victory Over Communism (VOC) was a primary tool of several South Korean dictators to politically "reeducate" South Korean dissidents who "foolishly" believed in democracy. Perhaps, Moon was just a way to try to counter North Korean brainwashing tactics during the cold war. It was proven that Moon owned a factory which manufactured M-16s, and other weapons of war which only the South Korean Ministry of Defense was licensed to make.

When the anti-Vietnam protest movement grew in the United States, the Moonies, under the front group "American Youth for a Just Peace" was set up with some additional money coming from Nixon's Committee to Re-Elect the President organization. Convicted Watergate conspirator Charles Colson gave some three thousand dollars to Allen Tate Wood, who was a Moonie leader at the time. Later, hundreds of Moonies were used in a three day fast for Nixon on the Capitol steps in an attempt to influence public opinion during the exposure of Watergate misdeeds.""Moon came to the United States in 1971 due to the intervention of Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-SC) who helped the Korean religious leader overcome immigration obstacles. (67) Thurmond had spoken at a 1970 World Anti-Communist League convention sponsored by Shokyo Rengo. (67)

U.S. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) has spoken at CAUSA conferences and supported Moon during his imprisonment. (66,67)

A Pentagon analyst under the Reagan administration warned against involvement of the Unification Church with the U.S. government and its projects. The memo warned,"Current Moonie involvement with government officials, contractors and grantees could create a major scandal.""

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/groupwatch/ucm.php

Ya think so ? A scandal ? The media wouldn't cover it...Moon owns the Washington Times and UPI

http://www.mediachannel.org/originals/upi-moon.shtml



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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:52 AM
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31. "Peace" of what?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:44 PM
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55. Piece of mind in Paraguay. There, no matter global warming etc, is safety.
...and profit.

The bad rev Moon set up shop in South America in order to keep an eye on his pharmocological operations and be safe in his jungle redoubt the size of Connecticut. That way, once Cheney pushes the button of Smirko's global warming destroy the ecosystem in the developed world, all the members of the BFEE can crawl out of their secure undisclosed locations and migrate to the world's largest aquifer, home base for Moon's Unification Church.

I kid you not:



Moon finds shadow of probes cast over 'Eden'

By Patrice M. Jones
Chicago Tribune foreign correspondent
Published May 12, 2002

RIO DE JANEIRO -- In a region that borders one of the world's great wildlife preserves, Rev. Sun Myung Moon proclaimed after a fishing trip in 1994 that he would build a heavenly haven for his followers.

The Moon organization's sprawling ranch compound in Brazil's vast southwestern interior is several hours from the nearest major city. But much is promised at New Hope Ranch for those making the journey, with a fabled sign at its entrance reading, "Welcome to the Garden of Eden."

However, state legislators, the governor and federal police in the state of Mato Grosso do Sul are investigating the paradise founded by the 82-year-old leader of the Unification Church. The inquiries come, they say, as Moon has acquired more than 1 million acres straddling the border of Brazil and Paraguay over the past seven years.

Last week, federal police raided several sites of Moon's Brazil organization, the Association of Families for Unification and World Peace, both in Mato Grosso do Sul and also in Sao Paulo state. They seized records and computers in a broad investigation into allegations of tax evasion and immigration violations.

Police also targeted the residence and offices of Rev. Kim Yoon Sang, the Brazilian representative for Moon and his religious group. The state legislature of Mato Grosso do Sul also has an ongoing inquiry, as does Brazil's internal revenue service.
Federal police reported that they began investigating Moon's organization late last year after a former employee said the association was involved in money laundering. A federal judge authorized the seizure of banking and financial records earlier this year.

CONTINUED...

http://www.usasurvival.org/mnrd.shtml



These turds want to destroy America. The reason why is simple: They'll be in charge of the world, possess its treasure and enslave its people. The survivors, that is.

Like the Quaker Oats Man said: "That's some brave new world order of George's"

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:40 AM
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33. Just a Kick for His Fraudulancy...and you know Neil don't give a shit
about peace, not spelled THIS way at any rate.

What are they up to and how much cash are they raking in?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:51 PM
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56. IMFO: Their aim is the Haitiazation of the USA and Planet.
OTOH: What the professionals are saying about the Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise...



The Bush Family: A Continuing Criminal Enterprise?

Gary W. Potter, PhD.
Professor, Criminal Justice
Eastern Kentucky University

The S&Ls, the Mob and the Bushs

During the 1980's hundred of Savings and Loan Banks failed. Those bank failures cost U.S. taxpayers over $500 billion to cover federally insured losses, and much more to investigate the bank failures (Pizzo, Fricker, and Muolo, 1989; Brewton, 1992; Johnston, 1990). More than 75% of the Savings and Loan insolvencies where directly linked to serious and often criminal misconduct by senior financial insiders (Pizzo, Fricker and Muolo, 1989: 305). In fact, less than 10 percent of bank failures are related to economic conditions, the rest are caused by mismanagement or criminal conduct (Pizzo, Fricker and Muolo, 1989: 305).

A good example of the Savings and Loan failures can be found in the activities of Mario Renda, a Savings and Loan insider who often worked in close collaboration with organized crime (Pizzo, Fricker and Muolo, 1989: 123-126;302). Renda served as a middle man in arranging about $5 billion a year in deposits into 130 Savings and Loans, all of which failed (Kwitny, 1992: 27). Many of these deposits were made contingent on an agreement that the Savings and Loan involved would lend money to borrowers recommended by Renda, many of whom were organized crime figures or people entirely unknown to the banking institution involved (Kwitny, 1992: 27).

Equally good examples of financial misconduct in the Savings and Loan scandal is found in the activities of the Bush family. In some cases Bush family members helped skim Savings and Loan funds which were delivered to outsiders as a part of deals involving lucrative payoffs to bank directors. In other cases, members of the Bush family intervened to influence decisions involving highly speculative and unsound investments involving loans that would not be repaid if the venture was not profitable. And finally, the Bush familys political connection served to protect those guilty of misconduct in the Savings and Loan scandal (Kwitny, 1992: 24).

CONTINUED...

http://critcrim.org/critpapers/potter.htm



Source:

critcrim.org

Division on Critical Criminology - American Society of Criminology

People who know, know.

And that explains why Ashcan or Tortureboy never went after Smirk or Sneer under RICO.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:33 AM
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62. I guess my ultimate question is, if everwhere is Haiti, where do they
intend to live? Is that what the Mars project was about?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:28 PM
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63. In Haiti, one percent own 99 percent of what there is to own.
The same one percent collect 99 percent of the income, so there's zero chance for the 99 percent to do much more than fight over the one percent that trickles down to them.

The elite will be protected by the nukes and the rest of the Rumsfeld's arms cabinet. These are pros who know what's needed for killing billions.

Regarding Bush on Mars: You are absolutely correct. These turds want to exploit, no explore, outer space.

First they will orbit offensive weapons, then they'll make war on those below. Once enough people are dead, they'll enslave the rest.

My guess is they have a Plan B: After the world's ecosystem is destroyed, they'll have an escape option. Like Hitler's henchmen boarding a submarine after World War II and heading for South America.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:55 AM
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34. What a BLESSING!
Moon watch
snip>

"Moon took out a full page ad in the Washington Times, a conservative newspaper he owns, claiming that famous and infamous persons in the spirit world (such as Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, past American presidents, Stalin, and Hitler) have testified that Moon is indeed the Messiah, the second coming of Christ, the "True Parent" of mankind."

http://www.angelfire.com/or2/thelordisnear/moonwatch.html

Now Moon can add an S&L thief to his long list of notable advocates.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:00 PM
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57. Smirko said he discussed Iraq with a 'Higher Father.'
Should've figured the crazy monkey meant the Creator.



Reverend Doomsday

According to Tim LaHaye, the Apocalypse is now


By Robert Dreyfuss

EXCERPT...

According to LaHaye, civilization is threatened by a worldwide conspiracy of secret societies and liberal groups intent on destroying "every vestige of Christianity." Among the participants in this conspiracy are the Trilateral Commission, the Illuminati, the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the National Organization for Women, Planned Parenthood, "the major TV networks, high-profile newspapers and newsmagazines," the U.S. State Department, major foundations (Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ford), the United Nations, "the left wing of the Democratic Party," Harvard, Yale "and 2,000 other colleges and universities." All of this is assembled to "turn America into an amoral, humanist country, ripe for merger into a one-world socialist state."

LaHaye professes no knowledge of whether President Bush buys into his views...

CONTINUED...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/5939999/?pageid=rs.PoliticsArchive&pageregion=mainRegion&rnd=1133668215614&has-player=true



Thanks for the link, Hubert Flottz. Neil is just one of many of Bushes and Bush-connected folk that are making out like bandits. The mopes left holding the bag are not just the taxpayers anymore, it's our children and the future of all the children on the planet.

There's still hope. LeHaye is connected to Reed and Abramoff.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:49 PM
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37. K&R
Two peas in a pod...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:56 AM
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58. Moon, too, is a NAZI.
From IApproveThisMessiah.com is word Moon parties like its 1939:



10/10/2004

Reverend Moon and the fascist movement in Japan

I posted a while back on Carlton Sherwood, the "Stolen Honor" producer who allowed the Moonies to vet his book on them.
While he claimed he was totally stymied in his efforts to find dirt on Reverend Moon -- finding him a martyr -- he's has no such problem with John Kerry, the target of his upcoming election eve TV special.

No dirt on Moon? I'm still processing a startling article I read on Moon's Eighties operations in Japan, from the Pacific affairs journal AMPO (Vol. 19, No. 3). Highlights of the claims here:

* The spiritual sales. Moon's door-to-door operatives raised, at the very least, 17.2 billion yen ($120 million in 1987 currency) by pressuring mostly housewives (in day-long sessions often involving physical coercion) into donating huge amounts to keep dead ancestors out of hell. The Japanese Lawyers' Network estimates that "the true figure of victimized citizens, however, is assumed to be ten times more than what is recognized, for the fear of bad luck from ancestors and repercussions from the Unification Church."

* Partying like it's 1939. Moon's publications promoted a return to wholesome Imperial Japanese values: "The war for Co-Prosperity Sphere of East Asia should be continued," one declared, referring to the plan that worked out so well in subjugating Manchuria. He also promoted the nationalization of a war shrine honoring a number of convicted war criminals. Other, Orwellian slogans included, "Exporting weapons is moral." The AMPO piece also details a network of Moon-owned gun shops in the country.

* Mingling religion and far-right politics. His group paid members of the Japanese Diet to promote an anti-Espionage act, proposing its use against the church's enemies.

* This sounds familiar. And then there is a newspaper, The World Daily News. Much like the Washington Times, it was seen by the church as a strategic base -- and punished editors who strayed from the Unification Church's line. One editor, Soejima Yoshikazu, resigned and wrote a 1984 tell-all article, "This is the Secret of the Unification Church." He was promptly stabbed by an unknown assailant.

SOURCE:

http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com/2004/10/reverend-moon-and-fascist-movement-in.html



They want to destroy the world and make themselves the overlords Arthur C. Clarke fears the earth deserves.
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ryan_cats Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:52 PM
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38. Right on Neal! Introduce him to Scrub-ya while you're at it.
Right on Neal! Introduce him to Scrub-ya while you're at it. I guess the Bagwan wasn't available. Moon is such a crackpot. I'm shocked that he has such access to power. I'm not talking about a p*ssant like Neil, I'm talking about his (moon's) buddies in the Senate. If more people knew about that, I think it would affect the Senators that were involved, re-election.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #38
66. Moon may be part of Dope Inc.
Moon's an iceberg. We only see the little bit above surface.

What's hidden is bigger. It's probably worse, too.

Here's a bit more:


Moonies accused of involvement in drugs

Europe Intelligence Wire/October 14, 2004

Paraguay -- The Reverend Moon has carved out a section of Paraguay that is twice the size of Luxembourg. Seamus Mirodan went to see it

Reverend Sun Myung Moon, spiritual leader of the Unification Church, self-proclaimed Messiah, multimillionaire and a generous contributor to the US Republican Party, has been showing a strong interest over the last five years in little-known Paraguay at the centre of the South American continent.

Since 1999, Rev Moon has built his personal empire which begins on the marshy banks of the River Paraguay and stretches beyond the hazy, level horizon through 600,000 hectares of arid land - equivalent to more than two Luxembourgs - punctuated by solitary clusters of withered trees and sad bushes which struggle desperately for air.

The scorching sun beats relentlessly on one of Latin America's most desolate zones. It is here in the northern province of Chaco, directly above the GuaranI aquifer, the largest resource of fresh drinking water in the world, where Moon's associates claim he wishes to build an ecological paradise.

Nevertheless, national Senator Domingo Laino sees a different pattern in Moon's acquisitions. "There are two principal branches to Moon's interest in Paraguay," he said, "control of the largest fresh drinking water source in the world and control of the narcotics business", which is so prevalent in this area. "President Lula told me that Brazil took serious measures to curb Moon a few years back as it became evident that he was buying up the border between our two countries," said the senator.

CONTINUED...

http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif240.html



Gee. He also makes money off of drugs. Just like the BFEE.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:00 PM
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39. I'd say Moon would qualify as a candidate for
the Antichrist. He fits the criteria and the fact that he imagines himself to be a messiah adds to his credentials. The Antichrist's influence is supposed to reach to the most powerful office in the world, that of the US Presidency. It doesn't have to be Bush, but as a follower of the Reverend Moon, Moon would have the power of the Presidency as his disposal. That whole family are a bunch of not so closeted Moonies, IMHO.

Could the faith based rehabilitation that George W. Bush got for his alcoholism and drug addiction had been in a Moonie enclave?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:32 PM
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67. Excellent observations, Amiga. The thing is, he's too obvious.
You may be right about the identity of The Beast. However, we mere humans may be unable to fathom the reality of such a construct.

Besides, IMFO, Smirko may be the subject of a CIA experiment. They had this thing called Operation MONARCH:



Operation MONARCH

EXCERPT...

PURPOSE

The US department of Defense's original plans to research the Mind control phenomena was to determine psychological and chemical formulas providing the US with the "perfect" espionage agent. This quickly evolved into planning the "production" of the perfect soldier... government worker...slave.

However, German SS officer/occultist Himmler's research development scientists sent this search 'for the "Manchurian Candidate" off in another direction ... PSYCHOLOGICAL GENETIC ENGINEERING.

It was determined that "absolute" mind control could be realized through specific tortures of the intended transgenerational Victim ...from the moment of birth!

Armed with this deadly research, a collection of "dedicated psychiatrists" from Germany, Italy, and the US, a new but ancient form of mind-control was reborn through Project Monarch.

Modern science had simply unraveled the occult cryptic so called "magikal" secrets of mind control...to spawn a new generation of "superior beings"...who could NEVER ASK WHAT THEIR COUNTRY COULD DO FOR THEM...BUT ONLY WHAT THEY COULD DO FOR THEIR COUNTRY.

CONTINUED...

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/operatio.htm



Just like Moon and the BFEE -- completely un-democratric.

And un-American.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:10 AM
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73. Interesting.
Your research always amazes me.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:23 PM
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42. Very sinister, given Moon's schemes and enormous and largely secret
money flows to promote them.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:47 PM
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68. Know your BFEE: Rev. Moon OWNS Poppy Bush
Also owned by Rev. Moon is The Washington Times. Its Poppy Bushs favorite paper, not just because they gave him fawning coverage and cover, but because they pay him so well. Millions, in hundred thousand bills, please.



Even our friends on the right know that.



Porkers

EXCERPT

Well, if the Heritage foundation says it, we better jump up and down like the trained dogs we are.

Did you know The Heritage Foundation has taken funding from The Korean CIA. They welcome Moon's influence. Just like the ENTIRE conservative movement, which has been taken over by religious freaks and fascists.

The party formerly known as "Republican" exists NO MORE.

Moon has one belief, that he is the Messiah. He has one goal, to wrench control of the world.
Put "Bush + Moonies' in your google and read about how the conservatives sold their souls for power to Moon. What a bunch of anti-Jesus frauds. In 1989 US News reported that virtually EVERY conservative group in DC had ties to Moon's organization. Moon literally brags about using The Washington Times to get the chumps to follow him to theo fascist hell, which is where Bush is taking us. Bush IS doing "True Father's" bidding, wittingly or not. No Moon NO Bush. Kinda spooky when you consider Moon said presidents would have to come to him for power. This is true in the republican party, today.

See Jerry Falwell hugging the conservative "savior" Moon here. The conservative leadership sold their souls to Moon and their pod followers have no idea.

Look at this. Can you say HYPOCRITE. That is what conservatives are.

HYPOCRITE

Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church

href="http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon.html"]Dark Side of Rev. Moon





Gee. Hes using all his money to buy gold and land and what sounds like an enormous jungle redoubt, the kind Ian Flemings supervillain likes



And who else built a jungle redoubt in the virgin Paraguayan Amazon?



WHY HAVEN'T THE BUSH ADMINSTRATION UTOPIAN LUNATICS SCREECHING ABOUT "ISLAMIC TERRORISTS" OPERATING ON THE BRAZILIAN SIDE OF THE TRI-BORDER AREA, SAID DIDDLY ABOUT MOON'S OPERATIONS?

RIO DE JANEIRO, Oct. 23 (EIRNS) Rev. Moon's cult has been the subject of a multi-agency, federal and state, national security investigation in Brazil, since at least July 2001.

The investigations were undertaken at the initiative of the Army, because the Moon cult was accumulating enormous, contiguous tracts of land on both sides of the Paraguayan and Brazilian border--in an area very near the Triple Border region (where Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay meet), notorious for drug, arms and other contraband.

It was estimated back in 2001, that the Moonies had made a $2 billion dollar investment in building their supposed "Garden of Eden" in the Brazil-Paraguay area. The Brazilian magazine {Isto E} described it in this way in its Feb. 19, 2002 story, "Paradise Under Suspicion":

"A kind of independent territory is being created in silence, in an area between the border of Brazil and Paraguay. It is the tropical paradise of Rev. Sun Myung Moon, formed through a succession of nature preserves, where the rivers Nabilequie, Miranda, Paraguai, Prata, and Salobra cross. In total, the properties add up to 833,000 hectares, which is the equivalent of more than three Luxembourgs, the European Grand-Duchy. In it, would fit the whole Federal District, plus the cities of Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. If the lands were used for agrarian reform, they would be enough to provide for 41,650 families. Although they are not yet continguous, the lands being acquired are so close to one another that it is impossible to imagine that this is not being done to unify them."

CONTINUED...







OK. Lets Play Political Celebrity Blackmail:



Wead in the Rose Garden

Doug Wead, a Bush family advisor and counselor to Dubya, has a history of crass opportunism and the release of the Bush tapes was only the most recent example

Most of Doug Wead's political career has been spent out of the public eye. Except for a failed run for an Arizona congressional seat in the early nineties, he's generally worked behind the scenes, first serving President George H.W. Bush and later, advising George W. He's generally avoided the headlines in the mainstream press. Last month, however, Wead came charging into the hot glare of the media spotlight. When you scratch beneath the surface you find an Assemblies of God minister who divorced his wife, a man involved with pyramid schemes, televangelizing faith-healers and the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.

CONTINUED...





Shh. This sort of things leaves you open to blackmail.



Heh heh.

Then, again, some treasons are worse than others.





SUN MYUNG MOON gave North Korea
NUKE DELIVERY SYSTEMS in 1994.


Sun Myung Moon's Japanese Toen Trading company delivered 12 Russian Golf missile submarines with launch tubes intact. The North Korean communists studied this technology and adapted their missiles to be sea launched from surface and submarine platforms. North Korea now has nuclear weapon strike capability which can reach the continental United States from sea-based mobile launch facilities at distances of 2,500 miles. This website has clickable links to Sun Myung Moon subversion sources, evidence, documentation... proof.

http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html

LINKS -- NK sea-missile capability:

http://www.navyseals.com

http://www.janes.com

http://www.reuters.co.uk

http://news.bbc.co.uk

http://www.washingtontimes.com

http://www.newscientist.com

http://www.townhall.com

http://www.freerepublic.com

http://www.libertyforum.org

http://www.theage.com.au

http://www.iht.com

http://www.latimes.com

LINKS -- North Korean-born Sun Myung Moon's Toen Trading Submarine Subversion:

http://www.freerepublic.com

http://www.usasurvival.org

http://www.gorenfeld.net

http://www.davidicke.net

http://blog.mmadsen.org

http://www.kenlayne.com

http://www.pandagon.net

http://jameswagner.com

http://functionalambivalent.typepad.com

http://www.la-mancha.net

http://windsofchange.net

http://thoughtcrimes.org

http://www.vuw.ac.nz

CONTINUED...

http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html

This is some serious must-see stuff.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/03/1579613.php



LOL! Thanks, seemslikeadreamy!



Original DU Post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3355939

Thanks DUers ALL!

And thanks to you, Nothing Without Hope for giving a damn!
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:41 PM
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45. Moon coronated as "humanity's saviour" in Senate Bldg.
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 05:42 PM by happydreams
Thought you might like to add this to your BFEE file Mr. Fish.


A Moon for the misbegotten
Sunday, June 27, 2004

By Dennis Roddy

The Rev. Sun Myung Moon's self-coronation at the Dirksen Senate Office Building before a dozen members of Congress provides a window into the doings of a cult leader with a criminal record who is steadily buying his way into the mainstream of political life.

Billed as an awards ceremony organized by the Interreligious and International Federation for World Peace, the widely ignored March 23 gathering began unremarkably. Members of Congress, like Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md., were handed "crown of peace" awards. U.S. Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa., gave a speech about his official visit to Libya.

Then, in an exquisitely bizarre finale, U.S. Rep. Danny Davis, D-Ill., carried a bejeweled crown to the front of the room. Moon and his wife donned crowns and robes and Moon told the crowd of doings in the spirit world where Marx, Lenin, Hitler and Stalin have learned from him.

"They have declared to all Heaven and Earth that Rev. Sun Myung Moon is none other than humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent," Moon beamed. "This resolution has been announced on every corner of the globe."



http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04179/337795.stm

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:11 PM
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70. And such a NICE Savior, that nice Rev Moon.
Thanks for the info, happydreams! That's some twisted zheet, that BFEE. "Crowns of peace" awards. Seeing Curt Weldon's name there certainly casts Able Danger in an even more sinister light. And the fact there is no mass media coverage demonstrates how red hot Moon really is.



Moonies accused of involvement in drugs

Paraguay -- The Reverend Moon has carved out a section of Paraguay that is twice the size of Luxembourg. Seamus Mirodan went to see it


Reverend Sun Myung Moon, spiritual leader of the Unification Church, self-proclaimed Messiah, multimillionaire and a generous contributor to the US Republican Party, has been showing a strong interest over the last five years in little-known Paraguay at the centre of the South American continent.

SNIP...

This is not the first time such accusations have been levelled against Rev Moon and his associates in South America. Last June, the Chilean government refused to recognise the sect as a religious association and accused them of being "a danger to society". An aid to the Chilean Interior Minister described Rev Moon's ideology, somewhere to the right of the Taliban's Mullah Omar, as "profoundly anti-communist, xenophobic and with a marked Nazi inspiration". Venezuela and Honduras have expelled the cult.

Rev Moon's South American adventure began in 1994 during a fishing trip. Rev Jung Min Hong, vice-president of Victoria S.A., said: "A golden El Dorado fish jumped into his boat. The reverend was awestruck by its beauty and decided that he must invest here for love of the environment, in order to protect nature."

Having decided to buy land in the area, he first visited (according to local Zeta magazine) the city of Pedro Juan Caballero in the province of Amambay. Provincial governor Mr Roberto Acevedo said: "This is the Mecca of the narcotics trade where dealers live with complete immunity. They own judges, the police, even politicians."

Rev Moon travelled there with Fermin De Alarcon, a Spanish financier, in the latter's private jet. Mr De Alarcon tried unsuccessfully to sell the religious leader his Banco General and is currently a fugitive from the Paraguayan justice system after withdrawing all the funds in that and other banks before disappearing.

CONTINUED...

http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif240.html



There is hope, however.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif256.html

That's due to good information, Compay!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:08 PM
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47. And I remember when cult leaders were bad people.
My, how times change.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #47
71. May be some cults are better than others?
Then, again, may be all cults are bad. They are when they're BFEE.



Is George Bush a Moonie?

George Bush Sells out to the Moonies


It's bad enough that these nutcases are spreading their diseased cults all over the world. But it's a real shame for former President Bush to dishonor America by selling you to the Reverned Sun Myung Moon for a mere $100,000. By praising Moon George Bush is contributing the the personal destruction of tens of thousands of lives aroung the world.

This is insanity beyond belief and I just can't sit back and watch it happen. Moon is a serious brainwasher and a menace to sane and normal society. Moon controls hundreds of millions of dollars, many newspapers across that world including the Washington Times, Moon controls the Republican Party, and the Christian Coalition. If you're a Christian and think that your serving the lord, you might want to look into how the moonies are taking control of the Religous Right.

Moon seeks to control the news media throughout the world. When you hear about the so called "liberal press" think twice. There is no liberal press. It's a ruse to throw you off about how the press is really influenced. Whenever you hear about a story breaking in the Washington Times, your getting a message from Reverened Moon.

Bush owes Moon big time. Moon funneled millions of dollars into Bush's 1988 election. Had it not been for Moon, Bush would never have been president. Bush was supposed to pardon Moon so as to erase his felony conviction but never did. And Moon didn't support Bush in 1992 the way he did in 1988.

* Moon Gave Bush a Golden Parachute - Texas Governor Connection?

CONTINUED...

http://www.perkel.com/politics/moonies/bush.htm



People who believe bullshit are nutjobs.

Nutjobs.

And sometimes that may be me. I don't know about too much of the multiverse.

OTOH: I do know the BFEE are, to a man, nutjobs.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:34 PM
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54. How disgusting!
:puke: What a Great American Family the Bushes are! :sarcasm: :puke:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #54
74. It's tight-knit mob.
Stand-up fellahs.



There's a history there.



And, by extension, a close association.



Three degrees of separation exist from there to a certain... elite, for want of a more accurate term.



PS: There is no similarity between the NAZIs in the background and the crew of the USS Abraham Lincoln. It's the "leadership" in front that count as madmen.
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atomic-fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:57 AM
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59. I just can't keep up with all of the dirt on Bush family.
It just blows my mind. We need a complete timeline for all of their
connections and crimes.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:50 AM
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75. Thank Moon for the Internets...

Notes 120605

...Their timeline of treason and criminality runs to the tens of thousands of pages. Seriously, I estimate about 12 volumes, each 1,000 pages. Their M.O. implies they believe that by creating more evildoings than the average person can keep up with will prevent their indictment, trial and imprisonment. Well, we got technology and the Know -how to document it all. Plus, we got one thing on our side they fear more than anything -- The TRUTH.


A little background on the BFEE:


Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5333644


Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Libby Is the First Big BFEE Turd to Go Down

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5233814


Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) made phony case for Iraq War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5077403


Know your BFEE: The Secret Government

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5027094


Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4863411&mesg_id=4863411


Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4813493


Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who put Power and Profit before Country

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4401300


Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3953519


Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3908104


Know your BFEE: Poppys CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3853409


Know your BFEE: Hitlers Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3832033&mesg_id=3832033&page=


Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3743890


Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3699042


Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3627538


Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3601654


Know your BFEE: James R Bath Bush bin Laden Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3571293&mesg_id=3571293&page=


Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3493251


Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3355939


Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2788428


Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3312956


Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2511192


Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2472759


Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2748315


Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2529964


Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2956067


Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2414083


Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2404049


Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2396787


Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2397004



These arent labeled Know Your BFEE, but theyre meant in the same spirit:

Know Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3274455



Know JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5501005&mesg_id=5501005


Know BFEE Is More than Capable of Bombing Their Own Countrymen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4045149


And for all my friends in those hard-to-reach areas:

Know A Short History of Conspiracy Theory

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4086438


Seemslikeadream commissioned this portrait of someone at work on the BFEE:



Its my favorite likeness.

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Poet Lariat Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:43 AM
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60. Incredible that more don't know about this long and happy
relationship between the Bushes and the Moonies. I'm coming in late to the game myself but I find this stuff almost unbelievable.

I did an archive search with Bush Moon at the Albion Monitor and came up with 3881 hits with 22212 total matches.

http://www.albionmonitor.com/0512a/default.html

I have a greenhouse to finish by tonight so I snagged one that I thought was interesting from 1997. I guess I need to spend some time in the DU archives learning my BFEE.

So much to learn...so little time.

http://www.monitor.net/monitor/9708a/ns-moon.html

From the Albion Monitor
8/4/1997

How Bush Got a Golden Parachute From Rev. Moon
by Norman Solomon

>snip<
But this month, former Newsweek correspondent Robert Parry will shine some light with an extensive report, "The Dark Side of Rev. Moon." It's about to appear in I.F. Magazine, a new periodical named in memory of the late journalists I.F. Stone and George Seldes (the editor of the muckraking newsletter In Fact).

A few samples of Parry's findings:
>snip<
Bush's lucrative courtship of Moon may help the ex- president to lay groundwork for his son George W. Bush, the current governor of Texas, who is expected to run for the next Republican presidential nomination.

"A silent testimony to Moon's clout," Parry writes, "is the fact that his vast spending of billions of dollars in secretive Asian money to influence U.S. politics -- spanning nearly a quarter-century -- has gone virtually unmentioned amid the current controversy over Asian donations to U.S. politicians."

What Moon seeks to accomplish with his riches is chilling to consider. As Frederick Clarkson's book "Eternal Hostility" explains, Unification Church operatives "have been close to neo- fascist movements all over the world."

>snip<
An important question about American journalism hovers in the air: Who's afraid of the Rev. Moon?
>snip<


Back to the Greenhouse before I get skinned. (Note -my idea is to ditch the tropicals and go for "in the ground perennials" next year)

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 05:56 PM
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76. Thanks Poet Lariat! Here's the latest from John Gorenfeld...
Thanks! Norman Solomon is an excellent resource.

John Gorenfeld also is an excellent source on the Moon-Bush axis:



Neil Bush Meets the Messiah

By John Gorenfeld, AlterNet. Posted December 5, 2005.

Why is the President's younger brother, Neil, touring with the leader of the Moonies?

http://www.alternet.org/images/managed/Story+Image_thumb_aboo.jpg

Standing center left, Neil Bush. Standing second from the right, the Korean Rev. Sun Myung Moon.

"Those who stray from the heavenly way," the owner of the flagship Republican newspaper the Washington Times admonished an audience in Taipei on Friday, "will be punished."

This "heavenly way," the Rev. Sun Myung Moon explained, demands a 51-mile underwater highway spanning Alaska and Russia. Sitting in the front row: Neil Bush, the brother of the president of the United States.

Rev. Sun Myung Moon, the South Korean giant of the religious right who owns the Washington Times, is on a 100-city speaking tour to promote his $200 billion "Peace King Tunnel" dream. As he describes it, the tunnel would be both a monument to his magnificence, and a totem to his prophecy of a unified Planet Earth. In this vision, the United Nations would be reinvented as an instrument of God's plan, and democracy and sexual freedom would crumble in the face of this faith-based glory.

The name Peace King Tunnel would allude to the title of authority to which Moon, 86, lays claim, and to which U.S. congressmen paid respect on Capitol Hill in last year's controversial "Crown of Peace" coronation ritual.

Moon's lobbying campaign is "ambitious and diffuse," as the D.C. newspaper The Hill reported last year, and the sheer range of guests revealed just how many Pacific Rim political leaders the Times owner has won over, including Filipino and Taiwanese politicians. And the head of the Arizona GOP attended a recent stop in San Francisco. But perhaps the most surprising VIP to tag along is Neil Bush, George H.W. Bush's youngest and most wayward son, who made both the Philippines and Taiwan legs of the journey, according to reports in newspapers from those countries and statements from Moon's Family Federation.

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/story/29054/



It'd be hilarious if they weren't working to end the world. Well, at least our part in it.
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Poet Lariat Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:19 PM
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77. Thanks Octafish. Lot's more to learn on this subject...
I've been trying to make it a habit to post and/or reply with something constructive or at least with substance. I've just spent a couple of hours looking at other links and resources on the Bush/Moon history.

I'm speechless.

This reminds me of some outlandish world domination plot out of a James Bond movie.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:02 AM
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61. "Piece leader."
Is more like it.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:02 PM
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64. Almost hoping for neocons to rule by comparison
the quick version answer: anyone know how he made his money and got his power?
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:18 PM
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65. WWII Nazi Klaus Barbie's "Cocaine Coup" funded by Moon
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 05:20 PM by happydreams
Things got even more comfy for Barbie after he helped overthrow the Bolivian government, in the "Cocaine Coup" of July 1980. The junta had been partially funded with a $4 million contribution from ardent anti-Communist Sun Myung Moon.

Once the drug lords took power, all the fascists came crawling out of the woodwork. Barbie joined the new regime in a quasi-offical capacity and lent them his years of experience in torture and repression. At his direction, critics and political dissidents were rounded up and made to vanish.

The narcocracy lasted only a couple of years. In 1983, after more political upheaval and a new government was elected, Barbie was finally expelled to France to face the crimes he had committed more than 40 years prior.

It turned out that Barbie was known to the French by his nickname, "The Butcher of Lyon." He had overseen the murders of at least 4,342 people during his tenure as head of the Gestapo in Lyon, not to mention the detention and torture of more than 14,311 members of the French Resistance.



http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/nazi/klaus-barbie/

So again we have Bush linked through another person to hardcore WWII Nazi's.

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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:48 PM
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69. He can say he "didn't know he was a nutball fundamentalist"
Just like he "didn't know they were hookers" when they knocked on his door to have sex with him.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:46 PM
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72. bushies can only claim to so stupid...
before their rightards begin to blame the liberal media for their uncertainties.

(?)
criminals, and the idiots who vote for them
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