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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:33 PM
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Offensive Xenophobic E-mail
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 01:45 PM by ocelot
The other day I posted remarks about an obnoxious e-mail I received, here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5497380 After mulling it over for awhile -- this one really pissed me off -- I wrote the following. I will send it to everybody on the forward list. The freeptard who wrote it in the first place won't see it, but maybe a few others will read it, and maybe think a little:


Waaahh! That bad man said “Happy Holidays!” Make him stop!

So. Who’s whining now?

Here’s what I’m sick of: The notion that there’s some kind of “war” on Christmas, or Christianity, or “real” (that is, white, Christian, native-born) Americans. I call bullshit.

First: Nobody is “forcing” you to say “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas.” The fact that some merchants choose the former greeting over the latter merely reflects a business decision to encourage all of their customers, not only those who celebrate Christmas, to shop at their establishments. While it is true that a substantial majority of Americans do celebrate Christmas, there is also a significant minority who do not – and those people do not simply disappear during the months of November and December. They continue to shop for things they need and want, and maybe some retailers have figured out that their businesses will actually benefit by the simple, inoffensive courtesy of including non-Christians in their good wishes. That’s fine old American capitalism, isn’t it?

And just exactly where did the absurd notion that Christmas is being suppressed come from? How did 80% of the American population suddenly turn into oppressed victims? Where are all the coliseums and the lions? I certainly see no evidence of anti-Christmasism or anti-Christianity in the retail world. On the contrary, we are besieged with Christmas decorations, music and advertising beginning immediately after Halloween and continuing without respite until December 25, and even after. Perhaps the greatest irony arising from the fatuous claim that the celebration of Christmas is being suppressed is that for years many Christians have complained that Christmas has become too commercialized, and that we think too much about gift-buying and giving and not enough about that day’s true meaning. And yet now comes the complaint that some stores’ employees, by failing to say “Merry Christmas” every time somebody buys a pair of socks or a screwdriver, aren’t pimping Christmas enough.

But you know what? I don’t care if the kid who works part-time at Target greets me with Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas when I go there this afternoon to pick up a sack of cat litter. I will decorate my house with Christmas lights and put up a Christmas tree and enjoy listening to Christmas music and maybe go to church on Christmas Eve, just like I’ve always done. Nobody is stopping me, or you, from doing any of those things. My celebration of Christmas is not affected in the least by what somebody says at the mall or by whether some other people don’t celebrate it at all. Is your belief in the meaning of Christmas so feeble that such trivial things can take something away from you? If it is, I’m sorry for you.

And there’s this: Somehow this phony “war on Christmas” has become conflated with an equally phony “war on American values.” It is suggested that immigrants are diluting our “culture” (whatever that is) because they do not speak English and perhaps aren’t Christian and don’t observe all of our customs. I guess the principle is that when you move to another country you should immediately adopt the language, dress, customs and religion of that country. But if that’s the case, why are we not all speaking Algonquin or Choctaw or Ojibway? When European settlers first came to this continent, they didn’t assimilate into the existing culture – instead, they simply killed the indigenous people and took their land. So much for that notion.

But let’s make one thing clear: When people come here and obtain citizenship, their rights as American citizens under the Constitution are exactly the same as the rights of those who were born here. Your rights as a native, white Christian are in no respect superior to the rights of, for example, a recently naturalized Somali Muslim. You do not have the right to insist that this immigrant speak English, change his religion, dress or customs. It is not a condition of citizenship that a new immigrant immediately gain forty pounds, start wearing jeans, a t-shirt and a baseball cap, buy an SUV and slap a “Support Our Troops” magnet on the bumper, join the Republican party, and sit on his fat ass watching NASCAR on television. That immigrant is not required to speak English in his home, go to your church, eat your food, or say “Merry Christmas” when he sees you on the street. He is as free as you are to worship any God or no God. Every law-abiding, tax-paying American citizen, regardless of race, religion, or country of origin, is as valuable to this country as every other – including you and me.

And, by the way, did you know that the United States was not, in fact, organized as a Christian nation? If you spent a little time reading history instead of writing or forwarding ignorant, xenophobic e-mails, you might have heard of the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli, which said: “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

The United States was founded as a secular nation because the Founding Fathers recognized that government neutrality in religious matters benefited all faiths, including Christianity. George Washington, in a 1790 letter to a Jewish congregation, pointed out that Jews had full freedom of worship in America: "All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship." This means that you are free to celebrate Christmas and your neighbor is equally free not to. It means nobody can make you say “Happy Holidays” and nobody can prevent you from saying “Merry Christmas.” There are, of course, countries that have state religions and that prohibit the practice of any other faiths – countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia. But I don’t care to live in such a place, even if the state religion were my own. Fortunately, the United States is not such a country – even if some people want it to be.

Finally, I need to ask this question: Why do you think American citizenship has to be a zero-sum game? That is, why do you think that the fact that some people speak a language other than English or practice a religion other than Christianity is somehow harmful to this country or to you individually? Immigrants eventually assimilate to a fair extent simply because it’s too inconvenient for them not to. But should it be any of my business if my Somali neighbor continues to speak his native language with his family or continues to attend a mosque instead of going to a church? I can still speak English even if he does not; I can still go to church even if he doesn’t. What he does as a free citizen does not affect my life as a free citizen.

Is your problem simply that you don’t like people who don’t look, talk or act like you? If that’s the problem, then maybe you’re the one who doesn’t belong here, because America is, was, and always will be, a nation of immigrants.

Live with it.



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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:37 PM
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1. Good post....
Thats basically what it boils down too....:)
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:39 PM
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2. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to All!
With all of the problems that people have to face in their personal lives, I don't see how we have time to worry about arguing about what to call this time of year.

To me it is Christmas...but to all of the rest of you, let it just be a joyous time filled with love, warmth, prosperity and the good health to enjoy it all.

You made good points, Ocelot...
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:41 PM
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3. Most excellent rant!
:applause::applause::applause::applause:


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Lolivia Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:48 PM
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4. awesome post
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 01:58 PM by Lolivia
kicked - tried to recommend but I don't have enough post
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:49 PM
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5. Not to worry --- I just gave it a kick.
And welcome to DU.
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BJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:03 PM
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6. No more special rights for Christians--eom
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:17 PM
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7. Excellent read!
I've saved it and nominated it for future reference.
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:33 PM
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8. I really enjoyed reading this. Nominated and kicked.
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fight4my3sons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:03 PM
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9. excellent rant!
I received a similar email after 9/11 and was disgusted.

kicked!
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fight4my3sons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 07:49 AM
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22. Just recieved this exact email from a family member last night.
Am totally depressed now, it was in my inbox this morning. :-(
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:14 PM
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10. Well done
We have an a-hole at work who forwards things to our bulletin board. Needless to say, they're all rw-nut talking points. I'm going to use yours as a forward the next time he crawls out from under his rock.
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:36 PM
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11. BRAVO !!!!!!
:applause:

:kick:
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:52 PM
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12. That was fantastic
Great job!
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:08 PM
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13. Thank you, ocelot! Nominated! Unfortunately (or fortunately!)
I know zero fundies or RWs. I would so love to forward your wise words. I am bookmarking and printing it, nonetheless!

Well done, American patriot!

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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:24 PM
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14. awesome!
Another tactic - remind them that Christmas is pagan in origin.

http://www.ccg.org/english/s/p235.html

<snip>
The Saturnalia

There was a festival celebrated in December in Rome. It is necessary to any understanding of what is happening at Christmas. That festival was termed the Saturnalia. It was the festival of Saturn to whom the inhabitants of Latium, the Latins, attributed agriculture and the arts necessary to civilised life (Smith’s Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities, 2nd ed., London 1851, p. 1009). It fell towards the end of December and was viewed by the population as a time of absolute relaxation and merriment. During its continuance, the law courts were closed. No public business could be transacted. The schools kept a holiday. To commence a war was impious and to punish a malefactor involved pollution (ibid.). Slaves were relieved of onerous toils and permitted to wear the pileus or badge of freedom. They were granted freedom of speech and were waited on at a special banquet by their masters whose clothes they wore (ibid.). All ranks devoted themselves to feasting and mirth with presents exchanged among friends.

Wax tapers were given by the more humble to their superiors. The crowds thronged the streets and Smith says many of the customs had a remarkable resemblance to those of Christmas and the Italian carnival (ibid.).

Public gambling was condoned by the authorities as was later card-playing indulged even by the most rigid in later times at Christmas eve. The whole populace threw off the toga, wore the loose gown called the synthesis and walked about with the pileus on their heads. Smith’s Dictionary says this practice is reminiscent of the dominoes, peaked caps and other disguises worn at later Christmas festivals by masques and mummers. The cerei or wax tapers or lights, were probably employed as the moccoli are on the last night of the carnival. Our traditions of Christmas lights probably stems from this tradition.
</snip>
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:33 PM
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15. a happy holiday kick n/t
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emdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:42 PM
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16. Great reply! n/t
n/t
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:52 PM
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17. woo
hoo:woohoo:
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:03 PM
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18. Great post
I agree with everything in it!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:08 AM
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19. Damn! Way to go!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:31 AM
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20. This idea that the US is a Christian country - specifically pushed by the
GOPs - is both pernicious and a BLATANT LIE:

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 07:44 AM
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21. snatched for future use.... . . . n/t
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:04 AM
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23. Someone help me understand. There is a fat man dressed in
red, who flies a sled pulled by reindeer around the world. He visits homes with children and places gifts under a tree that has been chopped down and decorated with lights and glass bulbs. What religion is this other than run-amock capitalism??
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:36 PM
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24. A keeper. One for the books. Bravo.
Succinct and 100% on the mark. Hallelujah.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 01:08 PM
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25. That was great!
I hope you get some replies. I'll be curious to hear what the recipients say.

:applause:
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:04 PM
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26. BRILLIANT!
I sent this to a bunch of people (hope that was okay with you!). One of the best "comebacks" I've ever read!
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:14 PM
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27. Well Done
Thanks for sharing.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 05:07 PM
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28. Merry f*ing Christmas to you - from South Park
Merry Fucking Christmas - South Park

I heard there is no Christmas,
In the silly Middle East..
No trees, no snow, no Santa Claus,
They have different religious beliefs...
They believe in Muhammad,
And not in our holiday...
And so every December,
I go to the Middle East and say...

Hey there Mr Muslim, Merry Fucking Christmas
Put down that book, The Koran
And hear some holiday wishes
Incase you haven't noticed,
It's Jesus's Birthday
So get off your heathen Muslim ass
And fucking celebrate.

There is no holiday season in India,
I've heard..
They don't hang up their stockings,
And that is just absurd..
They've never read a Christmas story,
They don't know what Rudolph is about...
And that's why in December,
I'll go to India and shout...

Hey there Mr Hinduist, Merry Fucking Christmas
Drink eggnog, and eat some beef
and pass it to the missus
Incase you haven't noticed,
It's Jesus's birthday
So get off your heathen Hindu ass,
And fucking celebrate.

Now I heard that in Japan,
Everyone just lives in sin...
They pray to several gods,
And put needles in their skin...
On December twenty-fifth,
all they do is eat a cake...
and that is why I'll go to Japan,
and walk around and say...

Hey there Mr Shintoist, Merry Fucking Christmas
God is gonna kick your ass You infidelic pagan scum.
Incase you haven't noticed,
There's festive things to do
So lets all rejoice for Jesus
and Merry Fucking Christmas to you.

On Christmas Day, I travel round the world and say..
Taoists, Korishnas, Buddists
and all you atheists too..
Merry Fucking Christmas to you.
Thank you, Mr Hat..

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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 05:14 PM
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29. Please post any responses
Beautiful rant!

:applause:
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ucmike Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 05:19 PM
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30. good rebuttal. thanks
i've used the following on some family who were suckered into "war on christmas" bs.

i point out that the clerk at walmart didn't say merry christmas or happy birthday to me. of course, the person (my brother for one) points out that walmart has no idea when my b-day is. i responded that walmart has no idea what my religion is either, so why should they care to appease me on either point.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 05:39 PM
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31. Excellent response!
Best dang email about this stuff I have seen written in a long time.

And as (possibly) a future immigrant to the U.S. I thank you!!!
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