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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:45 PM
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Truly Bazaar - "Bush Supports Cross-Hating Movement..."
President's father also praises work of Rev. Moon-linked clergy group...


Pastor John Kingara of Worcester,
Mass., throws his church's cross
in the dumpster.



Posted: December 21, 2004
2:10 p.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Both President Bush and his father have expressed their support for a group of mostly black church leaders that endorses the practice of throwing the cross into the trash – literally.

According to an online column by John Gorenfeld, the American Clergy Leadership Conference sponsored a nationwide "Tear Down The Cross" day for Easter 2003 during which pastors led ceremonies where traditional sanctuary crosses were tossed into dumpsters. Over 100 crosses reportedly were trashed.


Writes Gorenfeld, "This , movement leaders said, cleared the way for a new age and second messiah."

Last week, the movement's leaders presided over a Washington prayer breakfast featuring messages of thanks from both Bush presidents.

Though ACLC's website says part of its purpose is to "promote through fellowship the unity of the body of Christ," it also aims to "foster cooperation and understanding among all religions." That cooperation is evidenced by the involvement of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, the founder of the Unification Church who was dubbed the king of peace at a coronation ceremony in the Dirksen Senate Office Building earlier this year.<snip>

Moon was the keynote speaker at the Washington breakfast last week.

Writes Gorenfeld: "In Moon's teachings, God himself is shedding tears over mankind's obsession with the cross, which prevents us from recognizing the real 'returning lord': Moon himself. It's no secret. This is something he's patiently explained to many audiences of congressmen and former Republican presidents over the years, in Washington pageants that hardly ever make the news."

The columnist says Bush sent a "warm letter" of support presented at the breakfast by a state senator, in which the president and first lady sent best wishes to the sponsors -- and thanked them for rallying his "armies of compassion."<snip>

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42039


:wtf:




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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:47 PM
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1. Oh, dear...hey fundies! What do you think of your Preznit now, eh?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:50 PM
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2. oh yeah -- cause rev moon says --
throw those crosses in the trash -- sheesh -- through the looking glass and down the rabbit hole alice.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:50 PM
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3. So Moon wants the Cross replaced with himself?
The Cross is still a strong symbol in many circles. What will they replace it with? A huge US flag as the backdrop?
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:52 PM
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5. Good question.
I guess they'll replace it with whatever we crucify Moon to.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:55 PM
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6. But, isn't Moon a God on earth without having to die and give things up?
That is what I get when I hear about his movement.
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:01 PM
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8. Waitasecond... if Rev Moon is the Lord, then what about THIS guy...?


Suffering from messiah overload.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:04 PM
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9. No need to
Moon(bat) has already hung himself from a cross made out of GOLD.

It is so funny that the Pukes dance with this guy because of the money he gives them. I wonder if the freeps would freak out if they really knew how deep into Moons' pockets the Pukes are?

But then again, they only see what they want to. Sad.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:50 PM
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4. WTF, indeed.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:58 PM
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7. This is the tour that culminated in the crowning of Moon as WORLD PARENT
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 03:59 PM by Al-CIAda
and SAVIOR -

The Rev. Moon Honored at Hill Reception
Lawmakers Say They Were Misled
By Charles Babington and Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, June 23, 2004; Page A01

More than a dozen lawmakers attended a congressional reception this year honoring the Rev. Sun Myung Moon in which Moon declared himself the Messiah and said his teachings have helped Hitler and Stalin be "reborn as new persons."

At the March 23 ceremony in the Dirksen Senate Office Building, Rep. Danny K. Davis (D-Ill.) wore white gloves and carried a pillow holding an ornate crown that was placed on Moon's head. The Korean-born businessman and religious leader then delivered a long speech saying he was "sent to Earth . . . to save the world's six billion people. . . . Emperors, kings and presidents . . . have declared to all Heaven and Earth that Reverend Sun Myung Moon is none other than humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent."

Con't-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61932-2004Jun22.html


Also see-
http://iapprovethismessiah.com/2004/06/it-wasnt-first-moon-crowning-in.html



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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:46 PM
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26. In living colour:





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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:22 AM
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33. you gotta' be kidding me
Real adults? Real adults dress up in costumes like that and crown themselves? Excuse me but this is just freaking hilarious!!

Great find on those pictures! What kind of nutcase acts this stuff out?

What's even funnier is that he's finding other adults to act out with him! He's got a queen and in that last picture, I don't know what the hell those costumes are all about but they're into some kinda' weird role playing.

I guess staying at home on a Friday night and watching courttv just doesn't do it for King Moonie. LOL. No, he's gotta' get somebody to crown him king!

OMG, I'll be laughing over this for days.




Cher

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:12 AM
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35. Don't laugh
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 08:13 AM by Karenina
that's some serious power-brokering going on, NONE OF IT in our interests.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 07:17 PM
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37. Excellent, thank you. -nt
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:06 PM
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10. Bush does realize that Moon think *he's* the messiah, and not Bush- right?
I mean- I've got to think there's going to be some scratching and clawing when these two delusional morons realize they can't both be Jesus v.2.0.
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:24 PM
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11. So now they are dumping Jesus?
No wonder they don't think they have to follow his teachings.

They want to do away with Christianity and make it into Moonology.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:17 PM
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41. Scary thought ain't it... n/t
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:18 PM
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12. I'm doing some diggin' &...
...should have some pretty interesting info to add here.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:35 PM
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13. Everyone's sending this to fundie friends & family, right? n/t
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:42 PM
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15. ...and posting it on fundie boards with all the 'christmas war'
topics they are prone to start this time of year...I would hope and encourage.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:47 PM
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16. Here's a pic to go with the posts:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:46 PM
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19. OT: Swampy, do you have these pieces up somewhere?
One of my internet impaired friends wants to see them ALL. If you do, couldja pm me? I did a bunch of searches but bet I missed a bunch. :hi:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:35 PM
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22. Completely off topic, but...
Hi, and welcome back! I haven't seen you in a while, and hope you weathered well and all is better for you now. :hi:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:51 AM
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31. Oi madeline_con
I'm surviving. Thanks for asking, and you?

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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:41 PM
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14. Flashback here...I remember years ago when my daughter
got involved with some religious group called "The Way" and she was telling me that they no longer used the cross as a symbol, because why would Jesus want to be remembered with a cross? She said that if a person was shot, would they want their family to remember them with a bullet? I thought the whole thing was very weird, but I'm wondering now whether that group wasn't also involved with this wack job. Anyone heard of them?
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:21 PM
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17. I have heard of them, but am unfamiliar with their particuler DISorder.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:40 PM
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38. Here's a profile of "The Way"...
The group doesn't seem to be directly associated with Moon.

http://www.watchman.org/profile/waypro.htm
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:50 PM
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39. Thanks!
I did find that article last night and it sounded like a pretty creepy bunch to me. Fortunately my daughter is no longer involved with them.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:34 PM
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18. I hate to admit it, but I'm shocked.
Why would anyone, any pastor, take down a cross and throw it in the garbage? Horrifying.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:17 PM
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43. This is just the tip of the iceberg... n/t
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:12 PM
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20. I like a good Bazaar, but this one was bizarre.
With apologies for the correction, thanks for a good post. And I add my counterweight to Rev. Moon, as well.


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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:40 AM
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30. You caught me...
I actually meant to say "bizarre," but forgot how to spell it & relied on the spell checker (how Bazaar).
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justabob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:15 PM
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21. WTF is right... wow nt
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:38 PM
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23. I googled moonies + Bush, and ...
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:59 PM
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27. Help!! Getting on my protective gear...
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

Laugh if you must, but am I the only one who thinks this administration is getting weirder and weirder?
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BJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:07 PM
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24. Am an Atheist, but this article is poorly written and highly biased
There's alot more to the story here, that's not sinister at all...

http://www.tparents.org/UNews/Unws0304/cross_boston.htm

<snip>The lead pastor Rev. Kingara preached repenting for placing the symbol of Satan's victory in the Church. "It is important to understand the heart of God towards the Cross. How will you feel looking at or keeping a car which killed your beloved son?" Rev. Kingara read the book of Mark 16:1-20 pointing out that the signs given by Jesus himself to his disciples after his crucifixion and resurrection did not include that of the Cross. "It was introduced by Constantine, over 300 years after the death of Jesus. What is of God always unites his children. The fact that the Cross is a symbol of division, shame, suffering and bloodshed prove that it is not of God but Satan. On this 18th day of April 2003, we are beginning a new history. Pastors, please, help me to bring the cross down, because it is not of God but the devil."<snip>
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:29 PM
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25. Is there some source other that worldnetdaily?
I'd like to find out more about what is really going on here.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:07 PM
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28. All the freepers and fundies think WorldNetDaily is the greatest
I am glad they are showing the sheep the weirdness.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:58 AM
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29. Agreed. Anything by them is suspect.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:11 AM
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32. Scroll up and see Al-CIAda's contributions...
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:53 AM
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34. ABC News says Maryland Republican carries Moon's imperial robes
Here's from a blog, found at a link off one of the ones contributed above:

Pic of Republican Roscoe Bartlett getting medal from Moon:




Likewise, we've learned more about the appalling role played by Congressman Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD). A week ago, his press spokesperson said that Bartlett "received the Ambassadors for Peace Award from the Washington Times Foundation for his work in Congress, and attended part of the banquet ... this was the sum total of his participation." ABC News has now learned that Bartlett was the one who carried Moon's imperial robes up to the platform for the crowning ceremony. Bartlett now explains that he's seen lots of people crowned King or Queen at proms, 4-H festivals, etc., so he didn't think there was anything odd about his helping to crown convicted felon and declared "Messiah and Returned Lord" Moon as the world "King of Peace"


Excuse me, but earth to Roscoe: your prom days have been over for awhile!! 4-H, too!!




Cher

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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:27 AM
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36. .
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:26 PM
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40. Wow! What a Slime-ball our leaders are embracing & taking money from ...

<snip>The Early Moon

Based on a 1997 profile by historian Anton Chaitkin and other sources, Moon's biography prior to becoming a mass cult leader, can be summarized thusly:

Yong Myung Mun (the name was later changed to fit a Gnostic doctrine) was born in northwestern Korea in 1920. His parents converted to a Pentecostal sect of the Presbyterian Church when he was about 10. Under North Korean Communist rule in 1946, Moon set up his own Pentecostal church, called the Jerusalem of the East (Kwang-ya). It featured shouting, faith-healing, and a Moon innovation called "blood-sharing." Based on pagan fertility rites, this was the unlimited copulation of the pastor with his female followers. On complaints from Christian churches, Moon was arrested by the North Korean police in 1946 for adultery, and again in 1948. He was tried on charges of bigamy and "social disorder," and condemned to five years of hard labor in a prison camp in Hung-nam. After serving two and a half years, he was released by advancing United Nations forces, and made his way south. He soon left his wife, and, without divorcing her, remarried and went back to holy blood-sharing.

Moon moved to Seoul, South Korea in 1954, where he set up the Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity, or Unification Church. This occurred in connection with the founding of the Asian People's Anti-Communist League, an organization in the orbit of the Frank Buchman Moral Re-Armament grouping. Moon's lawyer at the time was Robert Amory, deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency under Allen Dulles.

Moon was arrested by the Seoul police in July 1955 for indecent activities causing "social disorder." The newspaper Segae reported July 6, 1955 that dozens of upper-class and university women were sexually involved with Moon. He was arrested again, later in 1955 for his furious fornications. On Oct. 4, 1955, after intervention by intelligence agencies, Moon was absolved of all accusations and freed. There began his free and clear path to emergence as a world figure.<snip>

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2949moonification.html


I wonder if Dulles intervened.




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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:35 AM
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42. Kick for "Silverhair"... n/t
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