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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:07 AM Original message |
12/6 *** DEBATE *** Death Penalty & Stan Tookie Williams - For or Against? |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
1. "Never again will I raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed.. |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
84. nofurylike, thanks for keeping this topic active! |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 07:01 PM Response to Reply #84 |
133. thank you so much, FrustratedDemInNC! it does. a chance to break |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
2. Sign the Petition! |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 07:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
135. note: that petition is for California citizens only. sorry for confusing. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
3. PErsonally, I think lethal injection is too good for most who deserve the |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. thank you, Walt. i wish for you that no loved one is ever framed or |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Stanley Pigshit Lower Than Whaleshit Williams WASN'T framed |
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Sparkman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
65. That kind of rhetoric is not progressive, maybe repressive, here's why |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 07:27 PM Response to Reply #65 |
136. humble gratitude, Sparkman. eom. |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:18 AM Response to Reply #65 |
242. A nation of laws has consequences for |
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Sparkman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 10:23 AM Response to Reply #242 |
260. The greatest philosopher let the adulteress go, not stoned to death. Mercy |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 11:49 AM Response to Reply #260 |
262. key words... |
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Sparkman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #262 |
264. Making decisions of life & death, elevates one to status reserved for ... |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
75. Won't the poison Kill the innocent worms? |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Please provide us with |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. what did you think of the radio show? eom |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:23 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I listened to the interview. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. i'd like to, i've tried to, but i keep finding that no amount of |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:53 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Can you provide a link to |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Hey man, there IS no link |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. There must be a link! |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. this thread is provided for you to debate. people were very upset that |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Okay. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. I'll debate it in any damned thread put up |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. that is exactly my point. eom |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. No, actually, that was another poster's point |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
59. I agree! |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. You are exactly right. |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
88. Does opposition to the DP make one a "Tookie Groupie"? |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:48 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. No. |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. hiaasenrocks, |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. There was a black man & 2 other minorities on the jury.Not all white. n/t |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Correct. And here's the proof of |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 05:27 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. It is my understanding that the particular juror was of more than one... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 05:29 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Wow, talk about wild speculation. Is that all you have? n/t |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 05:35 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. You refuse to even acknowledge racism exists in this country. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 05:39 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Where did I refuse to admit racism exists in this country? |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #108 |
118. Juror #1 provided a sworn affidavit on this matter |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. Link to the "sworn affidavit", please. |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:32 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. Link to the DAs response to Clemency request |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:35 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. She has refused to read the trial evidence for |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:47 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. Nov. 2005... CLEARLY long after the trial; the juror was DEAD. |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Nov 2005 is when the response is dated, not the affidavit |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 07:14 PM Response to Reply #130 |
134. The affidavit APPEARS to be in response to the recent appeal. |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 07:31 PM Response to Reply #134 |
137. Who has concluded that the jury was all white? |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 07:33 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. Thank goodness the juror in question had a drop of black blood. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. Here Ya Go, In Case You Forgot |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 07:38 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. The only thing it proves is |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 07:48 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. Odd that no one knew this (that he was of black ancestry) |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 07:52 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. Do you have proof that his race was not known? |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:48 PM Response to Reply #143 |
171. You will obviously continue to deny that the trial was tainted by racism. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 08:24 PM Response to Reply #137 |
146. nine judges on the 9th circuit court of appeals did. |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 08:37 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. Thanks, could you post the link to the rest of this? |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:09 PM Response to Reply #146 |
167. nofurylike, thanks for posting the facts. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:34 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. thank you, FrustratedDemInNC! it is INTOLERABLE!! it is RACISM, pure |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:28 AM Response to Reply #146 |
245. The other 13 didnt.... |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:26 AM Response to Reply #134 |
244. It is obvious why the sworn affidavit is needed.. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:01 PM Response to Reply #121 |
176. your reasoning is spot-on, Sapphire Blue. i'm sorry it is not grasped by |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:54 AM Response to Reply #176 |
253. why it is not grasped... |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:23 AM Response to Reply #121 |
243. the purpose of the sworn affidavit was |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:33 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. On a related note, I wonder when the pro-Tookie folks are |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #124 |
263. The "specifics" for me are meaningless ~ DP is Barbaric!!!!! |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 08:03 PM Response to Reply #108 |
144. thank you, Sapphire Blue. it is record that the majority of the judges on |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 08:06 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. Do you have a link? Thanks in advance. n/t |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 08:37 PM Response to Reply #145 |
150. yes. on the following Ninth Circuit Opinions page, scroll down to |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 08:42 PM Response to Reply #150 |
154. Thanks! n/t |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 09:01 PM Response to Reply #154 |
156. you're very welcome. i find that a very heavy document. i look forward |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 09:20 PM Response to Reply #156 |
161. LOL! Yes, it is a very heavy document |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:16 PM Response to Reply #161 |
168. bested again. i trusted you, so, i am weaker than you. an easy fool. |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:41 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. That is right, the 9 judges dissented |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:09 PM Response to Reply #170 |
181. 13 judges said it was okay that all blacks were removed. that's ok? eom |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:20 PM Response to Reply #181 |
187. did they know the racial makeup of the jury? That it wasn't all white? |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:41 AM Response to Reply #181 |
248. But all black jurors werent removed were they? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 08:28 PM Response to Reply #108 |
147. Wrong, as usual. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. PLEASE stop promoting this lie about the jurors! |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:27 PM Response to Reply #103 |
265. It cant be a LIE if it SUPORTS tookie! |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 08:52 PM Response to Reply #101 |
155. excellent point, FrustratedDemInNC! where there is any doubt, ANY even |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 07:36 PM Response to Reply #88 |
139. thank you for that information, FrustratedDemInNC. it is very important. |
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Sparkman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 02:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
76. Have you listed, anywhere, exculpatory evidence, or are you one sided 2 |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:53 PM Response to Reply #76 |
93. I have posted, numerous times now, the |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
48. nofurylike, I sincerely hope that everyone replying to this thread answers |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. How will you know if people are answering her? You have |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. it is a devastating interview. thank you, Sapphire Blue. for all you do! |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. If it's devastating, why won't you discuss it |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. Where are all the answers to your question: "what did you think of... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:38 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. You can't see the answers because you |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #77 |
94. I listened |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:09 PM Response to Reply #94 |
117. I appreciate that you listened. |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. I disagree he is a peacemaker |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:34 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. Perhaps his loyalty lies w/saving others from gangs... |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. How does he know what is of use and what isn't? |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:52 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. That he would be more effective by providing info to the authorities... |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 07:00 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. Sure it is, just as it is yours that he is a peacemaker. |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:32 AM Response to Reply #125 |
246. why didnt he "snitch" so many years ago.. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #77 |
165. I listened. I still favor DP slightly, |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
78. Lethal Injection is too damned humane if you ask me |
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ptolle (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:30 AM Response to Reply #78 |
213. get that from church didja walt? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #213 |
261. Nope, but hanging of mass murderers in the old style would seem justified |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #48 |
95. Sapphire Blue, excellent point. |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
81. Is anyone answering this question? |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #81 |
91. I listened to it, but you |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:51 PM Response to Reply #91 |
173. talk about stupid |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:46 AM Response to Reply #173 |
221. Good grief, your posts are laughable. |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:51 AM Response to Reply #81 |
252. I have listened |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
82. Could it be that this question, like the racist application of the DP, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #82 |
92. Deleted message |
Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Statistics. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Will you comment on the |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 05:52 PM Response to Reply #97 |
115. It needs to be discussed. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 05:59 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Excuse me, but with all due respect |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 04:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. One more stat. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:05 PM Response to Reply #96 |
178. Speak FrustratedDemin NC! Speak! |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #178 |
197. Thanks, goclark! |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 08:58 AM Response to Reply #178 |
259. thank you for these numbers, goclark! (finally saw them) IMPORTANT!!!!eom |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
190. outstanding, FrustratedDemInNC! i've been waiting for someone to |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #190 |
196. If you had no idea how to handle |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #196 |
212. it doesn't take much to see you were way off. i just couldn't take time |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:35 AM Response to Reply #212 |
214. Thanks for your blazing insight. |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:35 PM Response to Reply #96 |
194. Numbers |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:43 PM Response to Reply #194 |
195. Still ignoring some of the data, I see, FrustratedDemInNC |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 02:24 AM Response to Reply #82 |
237. no, not ignored. lied about. eom |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:47 AM Response to Reply #82 |
251. check this site out |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
79. I've read the trial info and I'm convinced of Tookie's guilt. |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Thank you for your thoughtful post n/t |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
184. Yeah, framed... |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
182. I prefer a firing squad. |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:49 PM Response to Reply #182 |
199. So does Saudi Arabia. |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:08 AM Response to Reply #199 |
208. point being? |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
5. I deleted my Clinton thread because we had ANOTHER Clinton thread |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
6. His Life, His Victims |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
38. the power to grant clemency is also the law of the land. eom |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I don't recall anyone saying it wasn't the law of the land. n/t |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
8. Crips founder Williams deserves death sentence |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. You're wasting your time...the Stanley Williams Fan Club |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:10 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. True, they never talk about his victims. To these |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:17 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I think we should have a thread about the VICTIMS...don't you? Post |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. that's a good idea. it would be very sweet if you made a thread for them. |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
186. here ya go |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:52 PM Response to Reply #186 |
201. So poignant and tragic. Thank you for posting this. n/t |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:56 PM Response to Reply #186 |
203. They don't care about the victims. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. We could, but I think it's clear from some of the |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. I am one of "these people" who believe that the DP is Barbaric |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I respect your anti-DP stance. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Thank you for understanding my Moral Objection |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I agree on almost all counts... |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. very well said, goclark. thank you! eom |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
122. If I were to think any other way it would be to think like Bully Bush |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 07:00 PM Response to Reply #122 |
132. Excellent post, goclark. |
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Peter Frank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. R... Well said... n/t |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:59 AM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Facts proving guilt: |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Thanks for that post. I think your position on this case |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
74. It took me forever to find this information. |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:46 AM Response to Reply #74 |
250. here is some more |
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BIG Sean (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
30. Exactly!....The earth is better off without this scum...eom |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
188. Nice read... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
9. Our real heroes don't kill black kids |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
11. Regarding the pro-Tookie argument: "He was nominated for a Nobel Prize!".. |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
191. Thank you for pointing this out... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:46 PM Response to Reply #191 |
198. And Arafat as well. Good company, huh? n/t |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:05 AM Response to Reply #198 |
207. Funny you should mention Arafat... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
12. People are arguing that he was found guilty b/c of race.... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
15. I'm totally against the DP, so the specifics of this case |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. good points, hlthe2b. i have to hope the gov will have the guts. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
52. no, didn't hear the radio show.... |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
174. To tell you how much I oppose the DP, I don't |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
18. Information for this debate: |
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Paradise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
26. Against the death penalty, and won't debate it. n/t |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. thank you, Paradise. i don't really see it as debatable either. but |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Please try to be serious about this case. |
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Paradise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 06:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
255. kind of thought that would happen, |
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Peter Frank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
36. Capital punishment world-wide... |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. thank you so much for providing that info, Peter Frank!. we have so much |
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emlev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
42. I don't hear anyone saying they don't care about the victims |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Some of the Save Tookie Groupies around here have been |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. good point, emlev. thank you! eom |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
43. Against DP but Tookie deserves no special consideration |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. "End capital punishment for all..." yes. thank you. eom |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. What do you think about that poster's assessment of |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. Good points |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Well said. n/t |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I find it DISGUSTING |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. But..but...he wrote BOOKS |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:26 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. There is also information |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. He has sold a grand total of 332 books. |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. EXACTLY! |
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Sparkman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. Claims that the death P. is wrong itself, is my claim. ESPECIALLY years.. |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I can respect that... |
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emlev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
67. Another way: "Restorative Justice" |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Re: "executions don't stop violent crime" |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:09 AM Response to Reply #67 |
241. that is an exciting possibility, emlev! thank you for introducing me to |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
70. And you don't think this person shoud DIE??? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
83. Deleted message |
Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Did you also post this on... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. This is the part where Sapphire Blue |
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freestyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
87. I'm against it period. It degrades society and kills innocent people. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
98. Against DP, but also against special exemption for Williams |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
100. I support the execution of the mass murdering con man known as Tookie. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
105. Only one of the kids in my classes today knew who Tookie was. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 05:26 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. I guess none of your students |
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Ekirh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 05:27 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Can you help me? |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 05:31 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Sure. |
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Ekirh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 05:37 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. One Thing Really Struck me reading that |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #107 |
120. Not even one book for each of his victims |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:48 AM Response to Reply #107 |
224. Is that really how many have been sold?! |
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fortyfeetunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:00 AM Response to Reply #105 |
206. Can you elaborate where you were when you had this discussion? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
106. MSNBC poll, 67% No Clemency, 33% For clemency, 18,162 responses |
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Clara T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 08:32 PM Response to Reply #106 |
148. We are a brutal people |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 08:42 PM Response to Reply #148 |
153. He is a brutal person. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
151. Deleted message |
Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 08:41 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. Hmmm.... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:26 PM Response to Reply #151 |
192. Good point. There simply can't be two people |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:58 PM Response to Reply #151 |
204. This type of accusation is against DU rules. |
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StellaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
157. AGAINST |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 09:10 PM Response to Reply #157 |
159. StellaBlue, thank you so much for the link to your powerful essay! |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 09:28 PM Response to Reply #157 |
162. *** KICK *** for StellaBlue's outstanding post (#157)!!! |
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StellaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:14 AM Response to Reply #162 |
211. thanks! |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 02:02 AM Response to Reply #157 |
236. this is a deeply moving and enlightening article, StellaBlue! thank you |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:45 AM Response to Reply #157 |
249. read this site |
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gulfcoastliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
158. Firmly against letting the state have the power to kill. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
160. from the NAACP |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
163. Is this a discussion of the death penalty, or of TW's conviction? |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #163 |
166. I thought it was meant as a discussion ot the interview, which covered... |
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rumpel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
164. I am against the death penalty. As for the case of Tookie Williams he |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:55 PM Response to Reply #164 |
175. Well said, rumpel! |
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jim3775 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
172. There is a big PR effort going on here |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #172 |
179. Thank you! |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:12 PM Response to Reply #172 |
183. BRAVO! |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:17 PM Response to Reply #172 |
185. Its not that big of a suprise to me that... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:24 PM Response to Reply #172 |
189. Great post! n/t |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
177. I'm against it. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 01:49 AM Response to Reply #177 |
235. great statement, TankLV! thank you, and for words to put to it! eom |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
180. Tookie deserves whats coming to him... |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:38 AM Response to Reply #180 |
215. What if? |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:42 AM Response to Reply #215 |
218. I can understand (though disagree) with people who object to the DP |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:45 AM Response to Reply #218 |
219. Fair enough! |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:54 AM Response to Reply #219 |
225. If I may continue... |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 01:23 AM Response to Reply #225 |
230. I respect & appreciate your opinion. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
193. I encourage everyone who is interested in this case to |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:00 AM Response to Reply #193 |
205. tisk tisk tisk |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:08 AM Response to Reply #205 |
209. Yeah. You know, I have been wondering... |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
200. IMPORTANT! Clemency bid to include claims of errors in trial |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-05 11:53 PM Response to Reply #200 |
202. Nothing new. All of that has been addressed. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #202 |
210. obviously you did not read it. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:39 AM Response to Reply #210 |
216. Stop making crap up, PLEASE. |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:41 AM Response to Reply #200 |
217. And here we are, a quarter century later and the 'jury'... |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:46 AM Response to Reply #217 |
220. Wow, talk about a RED HERRING |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:48 AM Response to Reply #220 |
223. They have run out of propaganda. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 12:47 AM Response to Reply #217 |
222. i know you're aware of it, absolutely. but now knight-ridder is. it's |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 01:04 AM Response to Reply #222 |
226. You're right, this IS a big deal. Wonder if it will open any eyes? |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 01:22 AM Response to Reply #226 |
229. i am as skeptical (putting mildly) as you. please do not let some who |
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KC_25 (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:12 AM Response to Reply #222 |
254. sigh... |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 08:05 AM Response to Reply #254 |
257. That is a powerful and informative link. NT |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 01:05 AM Response to Reply #217 |
227. please let me say this. i agree with all what you say in that post. all |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 01:32 AM Response to Reply #217 |
232. What's that old saying? |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 01:13 AM Response to Reply #200 |
228. Powerful article, nofurylike! |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 01:30 AM Response to Reply #228 |
231. thank you so much, FrustratedDemInNC! there is no question thiings |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
233. 336 Books is *NOT* equal to an apology |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 01:44 AM Response to Reply #233 |
234. I thought it was 332 books? |
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Liberal In Texas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 02:43 AM Response to Original message |
238. NO Death Penalty. Instituted by THE STATE. Ever. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 02:44 AM Response to Original message |
239. PLEASE EMAIL CALL FAX THE GOVERNOR!!! |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
240. PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION FOR CLEMENCY!!!! |
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Liberal In Texas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:38 AM Response to Reply #240 |
247. Done. |
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Paradise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 06:46 AM Response to Original message |
256. HURRY! Only 5 shopping-days left, till EXECUTION! n/t |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
258. 12/7 *** DEBATE *** Clemency hearing tomorrow; For or Against DP? |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
266. *** I want to sincerely thank everyone who has posted on these threads. |
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Aretha (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:33 PM Response to Reply #266 |
267. You and the Tookie threads |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
268. Can we get a Special TOOKIE Forum? |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
269. Locking |
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