SOaB!!! Kerry's Office is blasting the f* out of Mehlman!!!

I've never seen anything like it!!! Calls Mehlman a political hack who has something in common with draft-dodging Rush: neither have a clue how to protect our soldiers!!!!

:wow:

That's the kind of aggressive responses I want to see from here forward!!!!

:bounce:

:rofl:

against are own would be, shall we say, idiotic?

to factually give the information

you cant say because he voted two different ways on the same issue, but different bills are flip flopping, firstly

the 87b is an easy one. he and others proposed a bill he voted for, that would be financed thru the taking back tax cut from the rich and opposed bush bill that was drawing on our future children. isn't that obvious. is it really necessary for me or anyone else to say once again

patriot bill. 97 clinton wanted to do patriot bill, was repug saying no. on this bill it was rushed thru, no one was able to read it all, was on conditioned that would expire and be re evaluated. when the patriot went thru, kerry saw the abuses and re vote was coming back, he absolutely and rightly was fighting for it.

you call it flip flop. i say bullshit

now i could go thru the others, but these are a couple of easy ones. again........repug talking point.

so why dont you go through the others? If you want I'll do a serious search and bring back a huge amount of examples.

Its like trying to reason with a fundie.

I think there is such a thing as a political fundie, no amount of actual facts will disuade you from your cherished faith. To even ask questions about it pains you.

Kerry is a good senator, a good politician and like ALL politicians he hold many stances. Unlike MOST politicians he has held more back and forth stances than others. Quit holding this guy up like he was a savior of the democratic party. Wake up and quit believing everything that the 2 corporate parties throw throw down your throat.

You really do have some issues. Why don't you share them? :bounce:

,...(you asserting that you are being accused of being a RW hack), is blatantly obvious.

Are you finished, yet? Or must the hypocrisy be carried even further?

What's the matter? You pissed 'cause Kerry actually threw a fabulous punch?

Huh? :shrug:

What compels you to come on here attacking him and all those who are acknowledging his "dukes up" stand, this evening? What's your problem with that, specifically?

I am not asserting anything...I am responding to "Do you listen to the likes of Hannity or Rush?"

I am never ever pissed when he does something great and he has done some awesome things.



I dont have a problem, you seem to.

The humor of my statement was too much to pass up. Especially so with the denial of his making the statement that he knew the election was stolen still fresh in our minds.

If it wasnt such a big deal and people didnt already have issues with him why did they blow it up so big? It should have been a one or two response gag line and gone away.

,...and anchored in disappointment? :shrug: Let. it. go.

How on earth can you sit in a space where your disappointment and cynicism precludes any appreciation of great and encouraging moments and events? I just can not imagine being in that space. I'd quit if I chose to be stuck in that mudhole. x(

I made a joke one I think was great and one not as good.

One thing about fundies of all shapes.....they cant stand humor.

to me.

Kerry didnt lose votes they were taken from him.

I dont think the flip flop comments hurt him that bad when he was compared side by side with the spawn of satan aka the chimperor.

I am sad my humor was lost on you.

not all the others, but...... i hear ya, and i am letting it go. deciding, your humor, ok, i am real sensitive on this one. but every middle of the road that i tried to convince to vote kerry, and bush was bad said, ...... but kerry is a flip flopper. they heard nothing else about the man, they didnt listen to him, they were totally uninformed, but they knew to say,......

kerry is a flip flopper. every single person i talked to, and i talked to a lot.

bush isnt that smart. that good. but..... kerry is a flip flopper.

so, now, i really have to get on dinner.

sorry so many jumped your arse, wink. forgive, both ways.....

spent it answering this question very every damn reporter in every damn interview, every damn time we heard the man talk. it is old, it is tired, it was a lie back then, it is a lie now

,...in comedy. Just, my take,...on your "humor".

I am laughing now, though.

I'll bet you're a professional. :rofl:

He'd just have to rename himself "Shecky"

working on sons homework and cleaning out basement. why dont you address the two i could easily whip out without research or thought because every body has been saying it for two years.

i mean a simple two out of the how many are bullshit examples of flip flopping. i suppose the military bills is in that list of flip flopping too. that is another stupid ass accusation with no merit. but i will get into it later. if you like. if you would really like me to put the time into a researched answer, then i suggest you address the two i brought up now. patriot act and 87b. they were not flip flop

Do you normally gratuitiously slam good Senators. Was the Mehlman comment a flip flop? So why then get all giggly about the Senator's foibles in a thread about him saying a good thing?

Can you give a good Senator the occasional kudo? Even if you don't want him in 2008?

The humor of my statement was too much to pass up. Especially so with the denial of his making the statement that he knew the election was stolen still fresh in our minds.

If it wasnt such a big deal and people didnt already have issues with him why did they blow it up so big? It should have been a one or two response gag line and gone away.

this illusion of flip flop to match right wing talking point just as you and others on this board is doing for a god little laugh. where's your sense of humor you say? what does it matter? why are people bothered? because he fuckin didnt get votes because media and repugs convinced a lot of gullible uninformed people he was a flip flopper which is bullshit. and then dems like you jump on the band wagon and promote it some more

hard work and efforts on behalf of all of us.

He was chatting with someone at a party, not holding a press conference.

And the pertinent part of the exchange was:

"You wuz robbed, Senator."

"I know"

He never said what Miller said. Miller interpreted the exchange his way. And Kerry disputed that interpretation.

That doesn't make him a "flip flopper" -- and is there any chance you could find a way to express that sentiment that didn't give some of us flashbacks to dealing with Republicans during the campaign? Surely there is another way to say that you think he's inconsistent that doesn't sound like it's coming from Rush or Hannity.

It's the phrasology that's getting people's goat. You are of course welcome to your opinion. But if you're going to phrase your opinion like a Republican would, don't be surprised when people pop bloodvessels.

And your "joke" is so fucking old it needs a walker. Which would tend to negate the humor for most folks, I would guess.

You're not anti-corporatist; you're anti-facts.

"Unlike MOST politicians he has held more back and forth stances than others. "

Or was that the part of your statement that was the joke?

prove to me right here and now.

no lame ass "oh I cant" or "I could its just too easy"

do some actual research (not that hard I did it) and prove with your own effort that Kerry has NOT had more back and forth stances than most other politicians.

then we will go on for some more.

your response is another preposterous statement. Silly is as silly does. Go ahead anti-facts, prove your ridiculous claim. I'm simply pointing it out. You can't make ridiculous claims and not back them up (well you can when you refuse to deal with facts, and reality).

and have watched the back and forth again and again and again.

it would appear your eyes and ears would come to the flippity floppity conclusion had they have watched and listened to that crap.

Had you listened to AAR or quotes of his within context while having an open mind, I believe your eyes and ears would then maybe come to the conclusion that PRESIDENT Kerry is one hell of good Dem, Period.

listen to right wing radio? thats as bad as the nuts at freeperville.

not it still sounds like one.

I bow before your superior knowledge on how to diagram sentences, deduce their meaning and summarize through the use of a childish metaphor.

(sorry for the multi-syllable words, www.dictionary.com if you need some help with them.)

You denigrated her/him without accomplishing anything in furtherance of your own position. Education without manners is nothing to be proud of.

May I add, your "joke" wasn't funny. I thought for a moment that you were channeling Hannity.

...off to the freezer...

to convince others you are right.

No one is saying that earlier statement would apply any time someone opposes an opinion. Trying to rank it as such is completely illogical and warped.

In this ONE instance, however, the only instance in which it is referenced, it seemed legitimate due to the fact that in reality President Kerry is quite wise, noble, and doing his best to do the right thing for our country and party, and when looked at in context makes the whole charade of the flip-flop negative connotation dissipate completely.

I made a humorous statement directly related to his being qouted as saying he knew the election was stolen then later that day coming out and saying he never said that.

Bush the chimperor is in office, whine and pretend all you want and the horror is still there. Find a grown up way to deal with it and move the country forward out of this two party corporate state.

Kerry is a politician in a two party state who has a documented history of changing his mind on many things.

that way.

MY reply we are currently referencing was not in any shape or form related to ANY post that talked about the election. Are you confused?

Furthermore, no one is whining, so your baseless attacks, mockeries and other statements are the only signs of a lacking of grown up behavior I've seen so far.

Nice to see though that you agree with my post you replied to that it was completely irresponsible for you to twist the statement in such a broad RW type manner, for if you disagreed with it I'm sure you would've countered.

Quit being so freakin' personal and insulting!!! I take issue with that bullshit!!! :grr:

having a different opinion.

,...criticized. I certainly haven't accused you of being a "right wing hack". But, the RW rhetoric is RW rhetoric no matter who or what you are.

Yes? :bounce:

I've watched and listened on my own from different news sources and have seen the back and forth.

Kerry is a good senator, a good politician and like ALL politicians he hold many stances. Unlike MOST politicians he has held more back and forth stances than others.

We have to quit believing everything that the 2 corporate parties throw throw down our throats.

Its tough pointing it out because many people dont actually research and find out whats really being said. They just listen to the sound bites from one side or the other and then on emotional responses.

If you fail to, at least, acknowledge that,...then, NO ONE will EVER satisfy your unrealistic demands of perfection. And, PUH-LEASE do not throw out that freakin' "sound bites" crap at me when the repuke-noise-machine practically has the patent on propagandizing pure bullshit!

I have "listened" to AND READ Kerry's well-thought-out, balanced and INTELLIGENT analyses concerning both domestic and foreign policies. He has more goshdamn wisdom in his little toe than any ANY repuke or neocon and MOST Democrats.

It's just too damn bad that you have no ability to appreciate the man. But, that's YOUR problem,...not mine, not ours.

He votes about 95% of the time the same way as Kennedy. He has one of the best environmental records, (gay, woman, and civil rights records). Where do you find this huge back and forth record. (Even the funding $87 billion was not a flip/flop, but a protest vote (knowing the bill would pass) because he wanted it paid by holding back on some high income tax cuts and he wanted oversight- both good ideas.)

should not have been turned by Miller into "Kerry now says that he knows the election was stolen."

First of all, it wasn't an interview, it was party chat. Second, there is enough room in that exchange for two or more interpretations, which is what we saw from the reactions of both men.

Miller was overzealous about an issue he cares about. That is evident. But if Kerry felt misinterpreted, he had a right to say so.

So there. :P

in officee for over 20 years. On many issues, he could literally take speeches from 20 years ago and not have to change them (civil rights, women's rights and the environment). On others, he has changed as he has learned new facts. Other times, the vote on which he had a choice of yes or no - was one where he really would have liked to vote yes, but or no, but.

NAFTA is a great example of this. His Senate speech, which he titled "What's NAFTA Got to do with it" brilliantly (considering it was around 1993) talked of the dangers of globalization, but pointed out that these things were driven by the economics and would happen without NAFTA. He voted for it because of promised side agreements (from Clinton) on workers' rights and other issues - because trade agreements seemed to offer a chance to minimize the problems. This year he voted against CAFTA, because of the experience with NAFTA and because it was a far worse bill. This also, shows that he learns from things that happen. So is he a flip/flopper here.

,...and these off-the-wall rhetorical RW swings show up.

Suspicious! DEFINITELY suspicious!

But, to hell with it!!

I salute :patriot: Kerry and his office for punching the bullies in their hack-filled asses!!!

I think for myself instead of just bleating out the given lines and for whatever reason the same type of people at freeperville live here as well. They dont like any thing other than the corporate party line.

I dont swallow all the crap the Democrats have to say Just like I dont swallow all the crap the Republcans have to say.

"bleating out the given lines",...who are you talking about? :shrug: The origin of the "flip-flop" bullshit came from one political space AND THIS IS NOT IT!!!! :grr: All other discussion on this thread breaks the boundaries of RW "given lines" IMHO.

What is your problem, anyway?

being labled a right wing hack.


Its like trying to reason with a fundie.

I think there is such a thing as a political fundie, no amount of actual facts will disuade you from your cherished faith. To even ask questions about it pains you.

Kerry is a good senator, a good politician and like ALL politicians he hold many stances. Unlike MOST politicians he has held more back and forth stances than others. Quit holding this guy up like he was a savior of the democratic party. Wake up and quit believing everything that the 2 corporate parties throw throw down your throat.

Through his spokesperson?

If not, then could you wait for a thread that highlights a flaw you see in Kerry instead of one where he is fighting the good fight? Just a suggestion.

If he is a good Senator in your estimation, will there ever be a time when he says something that you will say "Good job" instead of tittering about flip flops and the like?

I not only draw strength from such strong stands, I am I-N-S-P-I-R-E-D to hang in there and KNOW OUR PROACTIVE INFLUENCE is making a difference.

Life is a persistence contest. This is the stuff that makes me persist!!! :bounce:

Flip-flop, my foot; That was a made up bunch of crap the right-wingers
were putting out there. Everyone should be flexible enough to change their mind every now and again, expecially when they know they're wrong. That's the problem with repubs, they feel they're always right; therefore cannot change their mind or have a different opinion than their counter-parts.
:thumbsup: Thank you elected-but cheated Prez.

change as much as the bills wording and meaning. I think I actually heard Hannity claim that Kerry changed his mind back and forth. I have followed him to and I don't see that same pattern, therefore I find what your saying to be nothing more that Repub talking points.

For a whole lot of reasons, including his ineffectual performance last time. I think he had a screwed-up health care plan, was too pro-war (just wanted to fight it differently) & otherwise too far right. But I was out there campaigning for him, goind door-to-door, doing phone banks, recruiting volunteers, etc. & the Kerry people kept cutting us off at the knees. All they wanted was $$. I won't get into all the details, but Kerry wasn't what I expected after having watched him in VVAW & later Iran-Contra. By the end of the debacle I felt I had been had, and so did a lot of others.

who? for the dems to run.

Or will you tell us this little tidbit ever f-n time Kerry's name is mentioned? Maybe you could save time and just put it in your sig.

What are we to you, Drew Barrymore? Do you think you're in the middle of "50 First Dates"? You think we can't remember from day to day that you don't want Kerry do run?

He's a Senator. You WILL be hearing statements from him from time to time, esp as he has been front and center in his criticism of the war.

It's getting almost Pavlovian. Say the word Kerry and hear "I don't want him to run."

:rofl:

I notice how the people who hate Kerry the most here claim to have "tirelessly" worked for his campaign. :eyes: Yet those same people seem to have no fucking clue what he was saying all year. If you are clueless enough about him to call him pro-war, you SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CAMPAIGNING FOR HIM. If you are too dense to understand his basic platform, you did more harm than good. Unless you're just making shit up, which on an anonymous message board, isn't real hard to do.

If you really did campaign for Kerry, let's hope it wasn't in a swing state. Undecided voters could smell your bitterness a mile away. If you couldn't get over the primaries, you should've stayed home.

you could convince me in a brazillion years that attacking him in such an immature mocking kinda way is productive rather than plain misguided and silly.

Sorry, that's BS. I don't believe Kerry lost, but I don't think he could prove it, either.

I'm not sure I want him to try again either, but I'll still give props for beating Mehlman with a two-by-four.

I put The Nation's picture of Bush as Alfred E Newman, complete with "Worry" button, in my sig for a while.

It wouldn't kill folks to have a kind word once in a while when the news is good.

Unfortunately. Just saying.

instead. And they would have gotten it from the Kerry camp. Tit for tat, and all that.

That's the problem with a big primary field of candidates. All the RW has to do is check out what we say about each other and then just use it when the time comes.

When he says something that indicates he has a spine, we should be applauding, not sneering.

mostly from people who don't care enough about politics to name their own congressmen.

Rove really is a genius isn't he? He even has progressives using his machinations.

Making rational decisions as situations change is leadership.

The inability to adapt is stupidity. If that's the kind of leadership that appeals to you: stay the course.

every single bit of reporting on kerry was negative and biased and didnt tell the full story. only enough to meet the storyline that repug gave to them on kerry. they did the same with dean and gore. you think that convinces me of shit. why does it convince you, except you want to believe the crap. limited thinking on purpose

The original joke was funny, but backing up your Kerry bashing like that is excessive. Do we really want to be reminded of how the media helped Bush win the election and damage Kerry's reputation all over again? :puke:

Did you take a wrong left turn somewhere on the internets, buddy? There are other websites devoted to hating Democrats.

:9
you are probably right too.

:sarcasm:

I don't take offense to that at all - Kerry needs to pick a stance and stick to it even while he is taking blows from the blowhards. I have a feeling he knows this now.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


dollars to donuts, tomorrow morning we'll be reading or hearing about a disclaimer dispatched from his office.


the thought of that likelihood makes me weep..

Kerry please prove me wrong on this one... :yoiks:

:thumbsup:

and who is this Bay Buchanon thing on now?

Yack! :puke:

:puke:

The younger sister, Kathleen Connolly, is Bob Novak's office manager, which is how many of us inside the Beltway knew that Scooter Libby was the guy who ratted out Valerie Plame virtually the day it happened. It was Kathleen who took Scooter's phone calls.

Patrick took the lead in Plamegate and never made any secret that he knew for certain that Scooter was the culprit, though he did claim his information came from sources other than his sister in order to conceal his insider knowledge.

Very interesting. So everyone who was anyone in DC knew all about Novakula and Libby right from the get go? Amazing.

But I did tell everyone I know. And when the buzz started up again a couple of months ago, I mentioned it here a couple of times.

It actually broke two different ways. When I told people who were already paying attention, they usually nodded and said that backed up what they had heard through other sources. I'd say that by about election-time last year, all the politics mavens I knew were convinced and were astonished it hadn't exploded yet (now we know that's because Scooter was lying like hell to the prosecutor).

When I told it to people who weren't paying attention, they just couldn't grasp the import of it. Every once in a while, my mom would call up and say, "now, who is this Scooter-guy you told me about?"

The interesting thing is that now, all the politics junkies in town have no interest at all in Plamegate. Scooter elicited curiosity or dismay or impish delight. Jack Abramoff, on the other hand, has everyone scared. If you look closely enough at what that guy has been up to, you realize that every bad thought you ever had about politics didn't come close to the truth. Evil is truly amongst us.

Eh? What can you do? Insider information is worthless if you can't make a buck off of it, I guess. But if you want a tip, here it is: If I had money to invest, I'd be putting it on a safe place to live far away from this country.

She is just as crazy, if not more so. Pat makes sense on occasion.

One of my best friends served her at a chicken rotisserie place he managed in the DC area. He told me he so wanted to leter her xenophobic, racist, homophobic self that the meal she was going to eat had been prepared by four Salvadoran cousins, her order had been taken by a Ghanian refugee with a professional degree, that she was in one of the most gay-friendly corporations in the area, in a restaurant managed by two gay men.

I think her head would have popped right off.

why doesn't he start taking shot at the swift puke vets?

That is way to combative.....

Simply matching the opponent on that one!

before he loses the election or something.

:rofl:

people to support them.

When Kerry gave up.

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But Kerry had given up that afternoon....he accompanied by his wife and two daughters gave a press conference late that afternoon...and he had given up. It was as plain as if he had stated that it was all over.....so believe it or not.....I was working my ass off for him trying to get people out to vote for him and the Democrats.

in the polls

When he started the bullshit about the people speaking and yada yada.

because exit polls were showing kerry ahead. the market was down because exit polls were showing kerry win in the afternoon.

7:00 at night. (And I thought he did these until even later because of the late poll closings on the West Coast.)

Ah, he didn't give up. And a lot of other people who also worked hard for him disagree with you. We all worked hard, that doesn't justify anything.

everytime he lends a hand. Sorry, I worked hard and campaigned and gave money and you don't se me "crying in my beer". hey, things happen, the best man doesn't alway win. So you will continue to discredit him because he had the nerve to loose after all your hard work. It's a shame you can't get over the loss and see that you did support a winner.Sad indeed.

when compared to someone of your wide expertise I suppose I am, a question comes to mind, is there room for novices in the Democratic Party, or is it a closed shop? I have supported the Democratic party my whole life....votes, work and money...are you telling me that now there is no room for people like me?

I certainly would not belittle anyone's effort on behalf of the Democrats...maybe this is a new party principle, fall in line or hit the road?

I was not crying over a lost election, I just don't want to go down that road again with Kerry.

office. Now he has to go after Hannity and the tub of lard- O'Neil.

The Boston pictures were great. He continued doing interviews almost til the polls closed.

Anything they get they deserve and more...what it has to do with is a little over one year ago and the Democrats being talked into Kerry.

The point being it is a shame Kerry could not have shown some fight when we needed it....

also ran a damn good campaign when you consider that he had about three months to do so. Bush / Rove were planning for four years. I supported Kerry from November 2003 on- so speak for yourself.

Does anyone believe that any Dem nominee wouldn't have been editted down in a similar way?

That alone should help one to discern between a freep and someone on DU who disagrees that Kerry should run in '08, or that perhaps does not care much for the man as a politician.

Kerry agrees. Sorry to disappoint you, but he will keep this job for a while.

I don't know who populates Kerry's office and am sure the speak for the Senator.

the Rush and the donut eating.. WAY funny!!!

Ken Mehlman's filthy and shameful lie about a decorated combat veteran is disgraceful. Political hack Ken Mehlman and draft dodging, donut eating Rush Limbaugh have something in common. Neither of them know anything about how to make American troops safe. John Kerry will continueto speak out about how to succeed in Iraq and protect brave American troops.

David Wade
John Kerry Spokesman

This is a keeper.

for saying that.

Remember Rush has admitted it... It isn't spreading rumor just truth and perspective. Unlike others here who feel Kerry let them down I say "Move On" If Kerry is saying something you disagree with then tell us about it but when he is doing and saying exactly what everyone here claims they want then why the bashing? You don't have to ever vote for him, but in my opinion he is Standing Tall and deserves respect for it...

wrong place

:bounce: I LIKE IT!

*LOL*

I can't help myself!!! I LOVE a good fight against f*ing bully a-wipes!!!

:woohoo:

:rofl:

I am so sick of the Dems pussyfooting around.

While the Reps are playing rollerball--we're often playing Candyland.

We MUST speak out like this and call a spade a spade.

I absolutely LOVE this rhetoric. Our side never says anything insulting and truthful. WE always play above board. Screw that. When you're up against hundreds of hours of lying talk radio--every once in a while you must meet the monkeys in their cages.

Rush Limbaugh remains virtually untouched by the Dems. I know they don't want to validate that blowhard. However, Rush is a joke--a lying, propagandizing, full-of-himself, fat pig, ridiculous human parody. A few truthful and insulting comments is what we need. Let's start calling 'em as we see 'em.

Thank you! The Dems are finally discussing reality with passion--instead of trying to be diplomatic. I'm sick of watching our party attempting to be civilized with a bunch of rabid pit bulls.

There, I said it. Flame away, rabid Kerry-bashers...I invite it.

them on taking off the gloves. They are now speaking truth to the people, In the language they are most comfortable with. Now they will start getting respect from middle of the road voters.

Last I heard it was stay the course.

Who said what now? Blitzer reporting it? Or did they have someone on his show?

the freepers have made about Kerry.

Wade is a pretty trusted aide. That's my impression.

Apparently this pissed someone off at Kerry's office. lol

I nearly did a back-flip!!! :rofl:

...that when Dems say something worth hearing, the MSM will report it.

Please someone, post it.

Maybe CrooksandLairs will have it.

Maybe he will lead us to the promised land yet. I like my politicians rough and honest. That's why I like Dean. Smiling appeasers don't do it for me.

here come Kerry and Dean FIRING!! I'm happy now. Note to Hillary: go away please

and take Joementum and Biden with you !

Good ridance to all 3.......

And if Kerry keeps this up, he'll even deserve it.

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But I wish he'd drop this "succeed in Iraq" malarkey. Get real!


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Throw Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

i would prefer not to see run.

He commited not to when he took the DNC chair position.

feeding it spinach and adding mulch around its grassroots and making sure it drinks its milk and stuff.

I think to Kerry it means finding a way out with dignity and with as few losses as possible. For Bush, who knows what it means? It's an important distinction in my opinion.

Too bad some here are reacting like freepers and slamming him. When Kerry's name is brought up, this place becomes virtually indistinguishable from Free Republik. I wonder why that is? Since we know the freepers are threatened by him enough to keep harping about him a year after the election, why do certain DUers join in?

Gee, one of life's great mysteries... not. :eyes:

the same whine talking point that the repug put out and media picked right up on and has harped on for two years. the exact same whining bullshit talking points. go figure.

Gee, when "liberals" start to mimic Hannity and Limbaugh and work tirelessly to tear down one of the Democrats the Republican party is most afraid of...

Pathetically transparent is right.

I sick of every thread about any DEM turning into a bitch fest.

better than (i am seeing) a lot of "dems" on this board.

He missed his chance to fight when the chips were down. Go away John, at least bury your foolish dreams of another nomination.

but can't figure out where or when he found his spine....

and the corporate media was hiding every tough thing JK said while glorifying anything coherent bush said.

for Incredibly Stupid Post of the Week.

:rofl:

/

Just asking. Makes as much sense as your question.

:popcorn:

perhaps you are confusing "speaking up for the truth" with your claims of flip-flopping?

Jesus H. Christ on a trailer hitch, remember when Pat Robertson ran for president?

David Wade is Kerry's ex Brother-in-Law.

do with bananas in the winter time?

He's still his spokes person, being his ex brother in-law would tend to lend credibility to how Kerry feels.

x family members. think that implies a pretty good character

But lets not have the facts get in the way....

she clearly suported kerry during campaign as did their daughters. and if this person is a member of the x family, just makes me even more impressed with kerry. i dont have to know why they divorced, truly none of my business. they seemed to have done a reasonable job with a challenging situation. i dont care. it is kerry's. it is personal.

Oh by the way him and his ex-wife Julia get along just fine, their daughter's are proof of both their characters.

That was my only point.

but your post was a bit confusing. You ended with facts, so I was asking your point. Thanks, for the response.

I should have responded to the original post about it being his brother in law. Assuming he posted that as a "bad thing" about Kerry.

than you can figure that if Wade says it, it's pretty close to what Kerry is saying, or it is what Kerry told Wade to say.

It does lend credence and credibility.

He is like 30 years old. He works in Kerry's office and was his PR man throughout the campaign.

surely you won't be taken in by the type of villan who has a brother-in-law, will you, Mr. Pitt? Where do you draw the line? Did you know Kerry has a nephew? Clear evidence he is a danger.

:rofl:

:)

:hi:

F-pers heads explode. I just love it when Kerry gets under their skin.

yup. i think you are right.

:evilgrin:

came out aggresively all through the campaign. It's the media, stupid. I don't mean that toward you, but how the media ignored so much, is totally shameful. They played a big part in and they totally swift boated Kerry.

will with the next dem candidate. then so many on this board can buy into the bullshit and attack our own and help the media and repug with their storylines. it is not like we dont have a history, a clear example of this. but so many chose to ignore it. because they have been convinced and want to make their storyline fit with msm and repugs.

the Kerry kicking Bush's ass debates. So people can see what they missed out on.

--about Bush cheating by being wired. It would be great if they reran "Let me finish!!!" as often as they ran the "Dean scream," but it would be a cold day in hell before they did that.

n/t

n/t

Interestingly, none of the people on my ignore list posted in this thread. These are all new people, or most of them anyway. Interesting.

I had to delete my ignore list to see half the posts.

It won't be hard to add them back to my ignore list though.

Where was he last year? I like him.

and hit hard, to bad we don't have a media that play fair.

Way to fuckin' go! Yee hah!!!!!

not that you have anything else to offer. jsut gotta say, atta boy, what a wuss.

ya right

bet for the last 10 months as kerry has been kicking ass, everytime, you run in and say, knew he had it, what about ohio.

wow

brilliance

:boring:

corporatist
had enough yet?
want a little more>?

a man of the people, like George W. Bush. Or the good old American team spirit of Joe Lieberman. Or the warmheartedness of Dick Cheney.

Doncha know.

How far to the left do you have to be standing to think the 11th most liberal Senator is a DINO.

Lieberman is a DINO... on the subject of Iraq at least. Otherwise he's fairly progressive.

Zell is a DINO extraordinare.

Kerry, not so much.

for ten years with other interested world leaders.

Corporatists were against Campaign Reform, while Kerry and Wellstone crafted the Clean Elections bill for public financing of campaigns which Kerry had advocated since 1985.

Corporatists funnel money to politicians through their coeporate pacs - Kerry had refused to accept corporate pac money for any of his senate races.

Strong words to bring attention to a cultural problem in Iraq that needs to be addressed.So what do they do, they go after the messanger because they don't want anyone to know about the situation.

I saw it on CNN "as it happened, live" - and I whooped. Woke the dog. lol! I hope and pray we see more like today's statement from Dems everywhere. :toast:

Oh, and this is the thread where I started my ignore list. :rofl:
:)
Moni