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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:47 PM
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The myth of fairness
I am sick of those who want to hear "both sides" as if there were any kind of equivalent to the lies being told by this administration and the truth being told by those who try to expose it.

Sadly it seems like a lot of people on the left are incapacitated by this strange idea that the truth is always somewhere in the middle...
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:55 PM
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1. Interesting point. For myself, I know what I believe in and I've heard
enough bullshit from conservatives over the past 20 years of my political life. I don't give their 'ideas' any consideration. After fighting the battle for so long, you know who your enemies are and understand that it's not a debate, it's a war.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:58 PM
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2. I had this discussion with someone who
refused to listen to Air America because its "one-sided". As if Limbaugh, who is factually incorrect all day long, is just the flip side of AAR, whose staff take great pains to give factually correct information.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 11:31 PM
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4. "one sided"
That's really funny. I think that kind of reasoning is just an excuse to sit in the middle of the road. Pick a side or get out of the way! I'll never understand the centrist fear of choosing a side. Growing up a blue collar kid whose rural area home grew into country club town as I was in junior high and high school (my mother and father moved to Woodinville, Wa when it was a redneck hick town. By the early 80's, the white flight elite discovered woodinville and built a country club there... and raised land values so high my father eventually had to sell his house), I know what it is like to be class conscious and to have rich assholes looking down at you like you're trash. It was a war then and it's a war now. There's no center of the road for me. Centrist dems are as much of the problem as repukes are.

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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 11:33 PM
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5. Absolutely ..Pal...I also have heard enough of their Lies and..
..distorted Bullshit to fill a Silo.
Everything in their entire make-up is Me..Me..Me...and how can I screw someone to make Me feel Superior..
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 11:09 PM
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3. Yep. A 'centrist' is someone who embraces half-truths.
:hide:
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 11:44 PM
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7. Beg to differ.
Bill Clinton was a centrist.

The problem is that BushCo and the Republican Party have dragged the debate so far into right field AND they have proclaimed (unfactually) that the center is "way out far left", all in a effort to make the original right wing positions into the 'moderate' position...

And, of course, take the actual left ideas off the table.

20 years ago, my opinions were centrist/moderate. Now, I'm a far left liberal... and my opinions haven't changed.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 11:58 PM
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8. 25 years ago, so was I ...
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 11:58 PM by TahitiNut
... but I'm talking about the 'centrists' who don't seem to have lived that long. At least they sure don't seem to have learned enough to have lived that long. (I think they just like the sound of that special word. "Moderate." Sounds so... erudite. Mature. Contemplative. Warm spit.)

:evilgrin:

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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 11:35 PM
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6. phony "balance"
rewards the liars. You can't simply call out an obvious lie, you have to treat the liars and the ones pointing out the lies as equals. :puke:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 07:50 AM
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9. Exactly
And theres nothing truly fair about that.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:33 AM
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10. What's funny
is the right is always pounding the left about how stupid we are to even try to make things fair economically.

I have several friends who take the middle route. One is very cynical and believes that all politicians are the same. Which is true to an extent. But I think it is more laziness than anything. It is too hard to get the information to actually make a judgment and it would involve antagonizing someone who holds a contrary view, so they just sit on the fence while the country destructs.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:38 AM
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11. My side is always right; the other side is always wrong.
Hmmmmmm. Nope I just don't see it that way. Obviously I think we are pretty much right, or I wouldn't be here; but I have to at least admit the possibility we might be wrong here or there.

And of course, if we want to open a discussion with people who disagree with us, it helps to understand what they actually believe rather than a simplistic parody of what they believe.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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