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Beearewhyain Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:21 PM
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Did Bush just tacitly admit that Iraq IS another Vietnam?
From his speech today...

"The terrorists hope America will withdraw before the job is done, so they can take over the country and turn it into a base for future attacks.

Zawahiri called the Vietnam War as a reason to believe the terrorists can prevail. He wrote, quote, 'The aftermath of the collapse of American power in Vietnam and how they ran and left their agents is noteworthy.'"


Am I reading to much into this? I don't know about you but if the prez is willing to make the comparison, albeit tacitly, shouldn't we. Your thoughts?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:23 PM
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1. Bush is saying that if we leave Iraq, it will be like Vietnam,
but not necessarily if we stay.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:26 PM
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3. If we stay, we'll have enough casualties for another wall
memorial like the one for those who fell in Viet Nam.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:39 PM
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6. There he goes, promising us Unimaginable Glory again!
And I really like the logic of it, too. "If we leave Iraq, it'll be like Vietnam (in which our soldiers stayed around getting killed by the thousands for years). "If we stay in Iraq, it won't be like Vietnam "(even though our soldiers will say around getting killed by the thousands for years).
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:24 PM
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2. Viet Nam
turned out just fine after we left.......
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:29 PM
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4. funny how that letter fits so perfectly into Bush's rhetoric
it's almost like Rove wrote it, not Zawahiri...
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:31 PM
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5. The Vietnamese people actually like Americans
I doubt we can say that about the Iraqi people now or anytime in the forseeable future.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:39 PM
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7. Considering the amount of time Junior spent fighting in Viet Nam ...
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:


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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:43 PM
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8. I watched a part of the speech..
as he talked about the great progress we are making in rebuilding Iraq...even a soccer stadium...jobs...happy people..blah, blah...how the economy was growing, etc....and what kept flashing before my eyes as he spoke, was images of the folks in NO after Katrina...standing on the roofs with signs that said "help us"..of the poverty and neglect of our own country and the unemployment and homeless in our country....i wonder how many millions of people in our country, while listening to that speech...and wondering if they will be able to afford enough heating oil or natural gas this winter to survive or if they will even have a place to live during the winter months...and no help..except from Venezuala in some parts of the country, to make that even a hope for some. Bush was not elected to protect Iraq, he was elected to protect us....maybe we should all hold up signs for him to see that say "HELP US".
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 01:26 PM
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11. Bush was describing how Saddam...
Wrecked Iraq's economy, neglected the infrastructure, and impoverished his people, and the Hypocritical Idiot does not even care that he is doing the very same thing to this country.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:45 PM
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9. Here's a quote, straight from the horse's ass
Press conference, April 2004.

Q Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. President, April is turning into the deadliest month in Iraq since the fall of Baghdad, and some people are comparing Iraq to Vietnam and talking about a quagmire. Polls show that support for your policy is declining and that fewer than half Americans now support it. What does that say to you and how do you answer the Vietnam comparison?

THE PRESIDENT: I think the analogy is false. I also happen to think that analogy sends the wrong message to our troops, and sends the wrong message to the enemy. Look, this is hard work. It's hard to advance freedom in a country that has been strangled by tyranny. And, yet, we must stay the course, because the end result is in our nation's interest.


So the analogy is false, see? Of course, he doesn't explain why he thinks the analogy is false, nor does he address the reasons why some might find it valid.

Nope. As so many times before, we have only Dubya's assertion that something is so. It's a good thing that he's a moral man, or else we wouldn't be able to take him at his word.

Naturally, we know that the horse's ass would never contradict himself. So Dubya couldn't have linked Iraq and Vietnam.

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Beearewhyain Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 01:17 PM
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10. Bingo
This is what I am getting at. It will come as no surprise to us that * and the admin contradict themselves with a frightening regularity but I have heard from the Repubs that "this is not, never will be , can't even be conceived as being on any level Vietnam." Well maybe it is time to start really driving the lessons not learned from that tragic conflict and whether disingenuous or not, we can point to this comment and say "Bush compared Iraq to Vietnam, so the debate is on the table."
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