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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:31 AM
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Bush's popularity soaring. Watch out for Gloating Today!!!
Bush Popularity Soars To New Heights
NYTimes:

After months of political erosion, President Bush's approval rating improved markedly in the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll, largely tracking Americans' more positive attitudes toward the economy.

But his presidency is still plagued by widespread doubts about his handling of the war in Iraq, with 52 percent of poll respondents saying the Bush administration intentionally misled the public when its officials made the case for war. A majority of Americans want the United States to set some timetable for troop withdrawal; 32 percent want the number of American troops reduced, and 28 percent want a total pullout.

The survey, conducted Dec. 2-6, showed Mr. Bush's approval rating at 40 percent, up from 35 percent a month ago, which was the low point of his presidency. His gains primarily came among men, independents, 18-to-29-year-olds and conservatives. He remains a fiercely polarizing figure, with an approval rating of 79 percent among Republicans, 12 percent among Democrats and 34 percent among independents.

Over all, 53 percent of Americans disapprove of Mr. Bush's job performance, down from 57 percent a month ago.

Despite his gains, Mr. Bush's 40 percent approval rating remains among his lowest, and is still substantially lower than that of Presidents Bill Clinton (who was at 58 percent) or Ronald Reagan (who was at 68 percent) at comparable points in their second terms.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/08/politics/08poll.html?ex=1291698000&en=bed90133dc3a48aa&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:33 AM
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1. That is "soaring"??
who the hell wrote that headline? karl?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:36 AM
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4. Yup. Karl.
We're on to you, Karl!
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:38 AM
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9. bzzpt...wrong
John Ashcroft!

"Leeettt the EEEEEEEEEE-gal SOARRRRRRRRRRRR!"

;)

I know, it's just horseshit isn't it.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:48 AM
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20. Actually the OP kpete wrote the headline
the word soar doesn't appear in the actual article.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:09 AM
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29. actual headline: " Economy Lifts Bush's Support in Latest Poll "
Thank you. I never click on NYT links because I am not registered.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:18 AM
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31. There is no need to register
Just go this website and enter the URL:

http://www.bugmenot.com/
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:51 AM
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24. "Ohhhh, Let the Eagle Soar !!!!" - John Ashkroft
who has a self-made barbed-wire sculpture of the Statue of Liberty in his barn. Totally queer.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:11 PM
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54. I was trying to be sarcastic
Considering the news I thought it was appropriate.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:35 AM
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2. we must be a nations of FOOLS WHO LET THE WOOL BE PULLED OVER OUR EYES BY
BY THE NATION'S FOOL-IN-CHIEF.

:-( x( :-( x( :-( x( x( :-( x( x( x(
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:35 AM
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3. The impending burst of the housing bubble will decimate the economy...
...and most people haven't received fuel oil shipments with the post-Katrina prices yet (if their oil supplier is like mine and topped of their tanks last spring). When that happens, watch his number plunge even lower than before.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:40 AM
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Don't be sure about that housing market.... baby boomers
The baby boomers are starting their trek towards retirement. Retirement= 401k, IRA, and pension cashouts... lots of disposable income to spend on new homes.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:47 AM
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18. Actually, retirees sell homes, not buy them...
...which will further exacerbate the bubble pop.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:05 AM
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28. And they won't be selling them for what they hoped to get.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:54 AM
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25. Based on the economy today, and the likely economy in the near....
...future (possibly a good deal longer than that), why would anyone in their right mind invest in new homes that will most likely depreciate in value?

The news we've heard over the last couple of days about the housing industry getting set to cut back and eliminate 800,000 jobs is the last possible defense to save the current real estate market. The reasoning is that less new homes on the market will result in keeping the prices of homes at their current levels, or slightly lower.

If anything else has to be done to prop up the current real estate market, then I predict that we will see the air QUICKLY go out of the housing balloon as investors take their money and put it in other investment vehicles. By the way, from my reading last night, the investors are already pulling out and cashing in.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:43 AM
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15. Yep, that bubble will sound like a nuclear weapon when it finally pops.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:50 AM
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22. Andy Serwer said on CNN this am that when it pops, over 400,000 jobs...
...will disappear almost immediately. All the contractors, as well as all of their workers, who, for the last 5 years have enjoyed a steady stream of income (and have run up record personal debt) will be effectively fucked. And the poor bastards won't even have bankruptcy to fall back on.:(
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:02 AM
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26. And when you start looking at the hardware and lumber stores.....
...that will also take severe hits, this will be a major economic tsunami all across the U. S. economy.

And I agree 100% on the new bankruptcy laws...having to file Chapter 13, lose all assets and THEN sign a note to pay back a certain percentage of the losses is going to be another major shot at what remains of the booming 1992-2000 economy.
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:36 AM
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5. I'm looking for something for him to gloat about
and I can't find it. 40% is nothing to brag about.
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:36 AM
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6. When I went to school 40% was an F
35% to 40 % doesn't show much improvement in my book
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:40 AM
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13. It can soar all it wants if it means
Edited on Thu Dec-08-05 08:40 AM by Tesla
we are out of Iraq, and our economy gets better!!
Peace , and prosperity, I hope it soars for those reasons.


NOT because he has great signs hanging behind him when he lies through a speech!!!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:38 AM
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7. So is the press plan working?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:38 AM
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8. Soaring? What dictionary are these people using? And again, I don't
believe it for a minute.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:47 AM
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17. Read the article
The actual article doesn't use the word soar. The OP added that.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:51 AM
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23. Pay attention here a minute okay? The word 'soaring' is in the title of
Edited on Thu Dec-08-05 08:54 AM by acmavm
the article thread. That's what I'm questioning. I read the frigging article. I understand that they register his approval rating at 40%. What I take umbrage with is the fact that they used 'soaring' in the frigging title of the thread posted here. His approval rating is NOT SOARING. In fact, I doubt very strongly that it's even gone up.

If someone uses a word to describe an article, and if the word seems very inappropriate, then I wonder where the heck it came from.

edit: toning down some of the unnecessarily nasty tone of this response.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:14 AM
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40. Valid question, in my opinion.
sensationalism? what the heck... Thanks for asking. I'm wondering, also.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:22 AM
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43. The actual title of the article is
Economy Lifts Bush's Support in Latest Poll

I'm not sure where the OP got his headline from.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:14 PM
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55. They did not use Soaring I did
I thought I would make some ha ha ha this morning.
Forgive me. I did not realize you all would freak out.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:20 PM
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56. I saw the title as being sarcastic. Am I wrong?? n/t
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 03:00 PM
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58. I think it reads as being sarcastic too
How the fuck can 40% be "soaring to new heights"? It's either a sarcastic headline...or the NY Times has been smoking something heavy duty.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:39 AM
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10. Wait 'til you hear Rush - BS machine in full speed ahead - guaranteed
He'll be orgasmic today.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:11 AM
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38. Just a couple of days ago Oxyboy was saying the polls were all bogus
perpetrated by the MSM (cause we know they're all liberal.)

(I only listened for a few minutes in the car while AAR was doing commercials, and he is really on a hate lib rant these days. Perhaps they're hearing the footsteps behind them.)

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:40 AM
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11. The smirking swagger will...BE BACK!
The Coca-Loco Cowboy rides Again!

I think it's safe to bet, that the honeymoon is about over for the Evil Prince.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:40 AM
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12. so, he hasn't actually DONE anything, just worked the media
"approval rating", does this media presentation make my ass look fat? No, Mr. President, your ass would be doing that.
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:40 AM
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14. This is partially the result of our uncertain Democratic opposition
Edited on Thu Dec-08-05 08:43 AM by reality based
leadership. I expect this number to be only a wobble in Bush's long road down, but we need tougher, more articulate, and more courageous leaders. Go, John Murtha!
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:46 AM
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16. What took so long?
I was waiting for the "Bush the comeback kid" narrative to start in the press.

But to be fair to the NY times, the word "soaring" is nowhere to be found in the article. I guess the poster is a little giddy about the slight uptick in the fortunes of his hero.

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:47 AM
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19. "Effryting iss goink akkording to plan, commandant!"
By mid-2006, they'll have enough of these stories planted to get America really believing he is "the comeback kid." (Something he can finally best Clinton at). It is all we'll hear about on Cabal News, until Gallop begins releasing it's figures showing he's "back," up to a 47% approval rating...within the MOE needed to steal the next election right from under our noses again.

It's gonna happen. These aren't run of the mill crooks we're dealing with...they're full-on James Bond Villain-style evil madmen, and they aren't done with power yet.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:49 AM
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21. Says who?
Who reads the NYT for news anymore?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:05 AM
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27. Shouldn't this be, 'Soars to Old Heights'?........
Just asking.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:15 AM
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30. This is why Bush had a pollster write the plan for victory in Iraq.
Bush told the pollster (Peter D. Feaver) to write what the public wanted to hear.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:55 AM
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36. It's got nothing to do with Iraq. A month ago, a tankful of gas
Edited on Thu Dec-08-05 09:56 AM by smoogatz
cost me $30. Now it's back down to $23. I'm feeling a little better about things, if I'm an average, apolitical Joe. The world doesn't seem to be spinning so far out of control. I'm kind of forgetting about Katrina and trying to get my Xmas shopping done.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:13 AM
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39. It is still why Bush had a pollster write the plan for victory in Iraq.
Bush could have chosen a military expert or someone knowledgeable about Iraq to write the "plan" but he chose a pollster. His approval ratings are the reason he chose a pollster.

Gas prices certainly are a factor in his approval ratings, especially to people who buy gas and know or care how much it costs. It is less of a factor to people who do not buy gas or do not know or care how much it costs. Finally having a "plan" for victory in Iraq nearly three years after the invasion is also a factor to people who are worried about what is going to happen in Iraq. There are doubtless many other factors.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:06 AM
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44. Who doesn't buy gas?
Except for New Yorkers, I mean.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:31 AM
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45. Probably people who do not own a car or other machine
powered by an internal combustion engine.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:47 AM
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48. I repeat--other than New Yorkers,
who doesn't own a car?
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 12:18 PM
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50. Over 9% of households according to the 2000 census data.
I don't have the names. I do have a comparison of the price of gas and Bush's approval ratings though.

Here is the wholesale price of gas during Bush's presidency


And here are his approval ratings
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:22 AM
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32. Gas prices are down almost a dollar in the last month.
That pretty much accounts for the blip, IMO. His long-term trendline still looks like the escalator to hell; the chances of Bush ever breaking above 50% again are slim--he'd have to mail out $300 checks to ever taxpayer in the--oh, wait a minute...
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:42 AM
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46. "except for maybe gas"
>"Things are not that bad," Susan Huru, a 47-year-old independent from Wasilla, Alaska, said in a follow-up interview after the poll was completed. "I can still afford things except for maybe gas."<

file under the category:
Lower your expectations and you'll never be disappointed.

Where do they find these people?
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:23 AM
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33. NY Slimes = POS paper
I wouldn't wipe my ass with that shitty rag.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:28 AM
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34. And when folks start adding up their heating bills
they will slump again.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:52 AM
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35. Fourth quarter 'economic euphoria' poll numbers will fade as the.......
reality of the first quarter next year unfolds, along with bush's approval rating and job performance rating.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:11 AM
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37. couple of questions
>Moreover, many Americans remain anxious about the impact of withdrawal, with 46 percent saying it would increase the likelihood of violence in Iraq and 40 percent saying it would increase the likelihood of terrorism against the United States.<

Is this the 'we gotta kill them there, so we don't have to kill them here' reasoning? I'm not understanding why 40% of the people polled would have this response.

-- :shrug: -- and

>When asked what the United States should do now in Iraq, 32 percent said it should decrease American troop levels, while 28 percent said it should completely withdraw the troops. Twenty-four percent said troop levels should stay the same, while 11 percent backed an increase.

Not surprisingly, most Democrats and independents want troops decreased or completely withdrawn; most Republicans support maintaining or increasing the number of troops in Iraq.

Still, there are political risks for Democrats if they move too far toward their base: 36 percent of respondents (including a third of the independents) said they would be less likely to vote for their Congressional representative if he or she advocated an immediate withdrawal, while 21 percent said they would be more likely to vote for that official.<

Political risks for Democrats who move too far toward their base? Couldn't the same be said for Republicans? The numbers cited are screwy. Only 24% say maintain troop levels and just 11% favor an increase - yet 36% are less likely to vote for a Rep who advocates immediate withdrawal?

--:shrug: --

and to the OP - Why did you choose to use the words 'SOARING' and 'SOARS to new heights' in your title? There's no 'soaring' here - not in the numbers and not in the article.

--:shrug:--
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:18 AM
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41. It's One Poll
Wait until the aggregate comes out. We'll find this is much ado about nothing.
The Professor
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:21 AM
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42. "Soaring"??? Where do you get "soaring" from a 40% approval number?
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:44 AM
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47. NOT the headline....it's "Economy Lifts Bush's Support in Latest Poll"
Just to be clear...

:)
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:57 AM
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49. That's the republican sheeple
that had a momentary loss of consciousness but they found some more Kool Aide and now they're all better.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 12:27 PM
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51. Soring, more like.
Up from totally lame ass.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 12:31 PM
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52. "soars to new heights."??? Umm, no.He was much higher than 40%
approval in the past, so how does one get "new heights" out of that?
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:01 PM
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53. And if we had a Dem prez, it would say "Majority still disapprove"
not "Soaring to New Heights" given a move from 35 to 40... Sheesh.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:43 PM
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57. Still lying about Bush to save his butt. I don't believe these polls.
And i believe his numbers were much lower than report at their nadir.
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