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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:26 AM
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"Wes Clark's Overture to Insurgents"
Wes Clark's overture to insurgents
Thursday, Dec 8, 2005

By John Brummett

It turns out there's another leading Democratic presidential prospect for 2008 with strong Arkansas ties who resists the party's crassly opportunistic congressional agenda to pull out of Iraq or at least set a timetable.

Hillary Clinton is not alone in saying we can't make a perfect mess of a place, then simply leave with cavalier disregard both for the mess and the lives sacrificed.

Retired Army Gen. Wes Clark, just back in Little Rock from an around-the-world trip during which he visited the Middle East, published one of those prestigious op-ed articles Tuesday in The New York Times. It carried a Qatar dateline.

He wrote that the Bush administration had Iraq all wrong with this stay-the-course business, but that Democrats were wrong as well with this "rapid-departure" business.

A four-star general widely extolled for directing the NATO air war in Kosovo, Clark surely felt an obligation to outline strategies and tactics that would get between the Bush's administration's failed policy and the Democrats' foolhardy answer.

That's precisely the kind of thing Democrats need. They must fashion opposition to the Bush administration that is not transparently opportunistic and impractical, but credible, responsible, courageous in defiance of the base and, as important as anything else, consistent.

If the Democrats run someone for president again who is on all sides of something as epic as war, then they'll meet the same result. What the more pragmatic Democrats ought to realize is that the more the extremist base gets offended, the more responsible the Democrats begin to appear to the eventually decisive center.

Clark wrote that we need to redeploy many of our troops and more of our air resources to all of Iraq's borders to make it harder for outside jihadists to enter the country. Then, he said, we need to spend less time trying to kill Iraqi insurgents and more time trying to "assimilate" them.

He wrote that a Kuwaiti academician had explained to him a few days ago that killing one's enemy is pointless among Muslims. It merely creates more enemies and makes those enemies more fervent and murderous.

What works - what is in one's best interest, Clark said the Kuwait had explained - is a kind of co-opting of one's enemies, with some limitation. You don't make a deal with Osama bin Laden, of course. But nor do you kill every enemy in sight.

Over lunch Tuesday in Little Rock, Clark elaborated.

"You kill him, then you've got his four brothers to deal with," he said. "That's where the female suicide bombers are coming from."

All we've managed to do so far, he said, is to strengthen the bordering militant theocracy in Iran and frighten our friends in the region into thinking we may cut and run and leave Iran the big winner.

One answer, Clark wrote, is to seek a peaceful coexistence with local Iraqi insurgents and enlist their alliance in resisting outside jihadists. He suggested "deeper discussions" about offering amnesty to those Iraqis willing to lay down their arms.

Clark, you may recall, was against this war. He called it "elective surgery" that was ill-advised because it was undertaken without European alliances and at the expense of a more essential emphasis on espionage and police work to chase Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida to the ends of the earth.

There is no inconsistency in opposing a war in the first place, then resisting cutting and running nearly three years later. In fact, there's a common thread of logic, responsibility and candor.

It's the kind of thing that might convince American voters that Democrats, given the opportunity, could actually govern. It's precisely where those voters are, current polls indicate.

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/12/08/JohnBrummett/331698.html
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:34 AM
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1. Clark has the right approach
If he was President, he could discuss with the Allies the best strategy for the Middle-East...

but things will explode before that, I am afraid. Iran's attitude is to provoke an Israeli attack and reshuffle the cards...
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:37 AM
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2. Are you in France? Just curious of the attitudes over there at present.
Do Europeans feel strongly that there should be a quick withdrawl of U.S. forces regardless of the consequences?
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:54 AM
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no, because they are afraid of the consequences
you can say they have a "Clark attitude" : against the war, but no "cut and run". On the other end they feel it's pointless to discuss Iraq with the Bush administration. So there is a "wait and see attitude". They back the US politically and militarily on Afghanistan, Iran, Syria. But Iraq is out of reach.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:04 AM
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4. Thank you for confirming what I suspected.
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 01:10 AM by Clarkie1
It's facinating that so many here who claim to be concerned with America's lost prestige in the international community are blind to how a quick American exit followed by great bloodshed in Iraq and the region would be perceived.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:54 AM
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3. This is the second piece I've read out of Arkansas that lumps
Clark with Hillary. It's really an incorrect assertion, I wish they would really look at how they've come along totally different on Iraq! I guess it's "Arkansas pride" or something that makes them do it....or else, just careless reporting.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:07 AM
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5. That particular part of the article is indeed careless reporting.
The media tends to lump Iraq policy into to camps: get out now vs. don't get out now.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:22 AM
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6. Yes, no room for nuance. And the Democrats politicking
throw stuff out to see what sticks...

They avoid any discussion of the wider ramifications of this mess...

All except Clark
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:02 AM
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7. Clarkie1 please read
In the future please limit your snips of articles
to 4 paragraphs as per the Democratic Underground
copyright rules .

proud patriot Moderator
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:10 AM
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8. Dems "crassly opportunistic congressional agenda to pull out of Iraq"?
If you read the Washington Post article below you get the impression that there's no opportunity for politicians in advocating a withdrawal. Dean said that the war is unwinnable and then the DNC has to say that that's not what they meant because they're afraid that that is an unpopular opinion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/06/AR2005120601707_pf.html
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