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Maiden England Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:48 PM
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Talking of a war on Christmas - a hometown gripe
I live in small town USA. I'm not Christian, although my husband is. I have no objections to the gigantic nativity scene at the local Catholic Church at the bottom of my road. I mean my house is lit up like the runway at JFK, although its all non-denominational. As are all the decs on my tree. Like I said, DH is a Christian, and we are equal opportunity celebrators (or any excuse will do ;-) )

I am a huge proponent of the separation of Church and State though. I have no objections to the lit snowflake attached to the electricity pole serving my house.

But what peeves me more than anything is the banners the town has put up on alternate electricity poles.
Pictures of the Virgin Mary and a Baby Jesus, complete with halos, which proclaim underneath - Joy to the World.
Now that in my book crosses the line. I mean its a town thing, its not a church, its on public property, put up by the elected local officials. Probably paid for by my local taxes. If I'd been subject to a banner instead of a snowflake outside my front door, I'd have been raising hell before now.

Every other little town in my area manages to put up non-denominational decs, to celebrate the season.

I've lived here 4 years and every year I fume more about it, do you reckon its worth lodging a complaint?

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:51 PM
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1. My town has a nativity scene in front of the County courthouse.
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 12:52 PM by rucky
*sigh*

If we fight it, it's a "war on Christmas". If we live with it, it's tyranny by the majority.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:52 PM
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2. I think you have every reason to complain. It crosses the line
and quite blatantly, I might add.
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Liberaler Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:53 PM
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3. Email O'Reilly and
tell him that your hometown is one of the "good christian" places which holds "christmas" holy. He'll jump on it, make a huge number of it, get national attention to it and there will be tons of protests against the hudlums on the city council.

Best way to get the right ettention and to ridicule O'Reilly.

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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:32 PM
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4. Get over it;
If you're not a kid or a fundie, Christmas is just something that tests your patience every year. Bah and humbug to you all!
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Maiden England Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:48 PM
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5. I try not to get over the first amendment if at all possible
Its not Christmas that tests my patience - its blatant infringements of the Constitution that sour my season.
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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:26 PM
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6. Well said; but bah and humbug, never the less....n/t
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:18 PM
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8. You know you just helped me immensely... We don't have your problems
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 03:18 PM by neweurope
here, meaning a ridiculous "war on Christmas" which has been trumped up to hide the fact that there IS a war against Muslims. But every year Germany - who used to have a purely family, very quiet Christmas - very unlike the celebration in the Anglo-Saxon countries - becomes more Americanized. Lightbulbs flashing everywhere. We're about to rent a house and want to rent the 1st floor to others and I'm seriously thinking if I as "landlady" can forbid them to have electric lights in the window...

And you say it's something that just has to be accepted. *sigh* Well. I'll act on your advice. But I certainly wish that that *** season (which I like actually if it weren't for those damn lights) didn't last longer and longer every year!

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Remember Fallujah

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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 02:20 PM
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9. late post , hope you get to read it;
MY wife and I are of German descent, as may of us from Penna. I think it must be that German culture that causes es my revulsion of the commercialization of Christmas. When my children were young , we placed oranges and candy in their shoes for St. Nicolas day and the advent calender was on the wall. Christmas was with family and church and gifts were kept within our normal budget. To listen to that media whore O'Reily, sell soap under the guise of "saving Christmas" is deplorable. I'm at the point that I want to say "let's just skip it all"......sooo, in the true pagan meaning of the season , may you and yours have a good yule and good luck.
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 07:30 PM
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10. And the same to you, yedr! For years I haven't celebrated Christmas
because the Commercialization was so nerve wrecking. A friend of mine has started to take back Christmas: From All Saints day on he burns a big candle on the balcony (till Candlemas every night); he listens to Classical Music and reads to himself to Candlelight at the "Schummerstunde" (the time of day when it isn't light anymore and not quite dark yet), and, yes, at age 50 he even has and advent calender again.

From now on I'll walk in his footsteps.

Aahhh, the smell of oranges and burned pine twigs...

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:51 PM
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7. I'd lobby for inclusiveness
Symbols of other faith's holy season. That's the real problem. Because even Santa Claus is short for Saint Nicklaus and religious in its origins. The majority of people around the world claim a religion of some sort and it is wrong for a miniscule minority to demand it be eliminated from public view. Besides, you also might find that it's your local chamber of commerce that pays for the decorations. That's the way it is in most small towns I've lived in.
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