rucky

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:04 PM
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Poll question: Would You Have Pulled The Trigger?

Inspired by another poll cited here.

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JuniperLea

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:06 PM
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1. Pulled the trigger on whom?

I must have missed the thread.

:shrug:

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Cessna Invesco Palin

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:06 PM
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2. Oh for jeebus' sake.

Given that NOBODY here has what might even be loosely termed "all" the facts, how can anybody possibly answer this question?

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rucky

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:09 PM
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3. "can't say" is a choice.

now, vote!

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Cessna Invesco Palin

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:28 PM
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15. I'm not here to vote.

I'm here to complain!

Sheesh.

:)

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Stand and Fight

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:12 PM
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4. CANNOT SAY

WE DO NOT KNOW ALL THE FACTS.

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datadiva

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:14 PM
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5. I think my aim would have been to the legs

or somewhere non lethal. I am assuming that training is required.

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rucky

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:15 PM
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6. Good point. Why don't Air Marshalls have tasers?

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Silverhair

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:17 PM
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8. Tasers are way too big to conceal. Air Marshall are plainclothes. NT

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rucky

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:18 PM
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9. With all this technology, you'd figure they'd find a way.

obviously not a priority, though.

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calico1

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:21 PM
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12. Its easier and less costly

to just shoot to kill. No thinking required. :grr:

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rucky

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:27 PM
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14. I guarantee you that with this and nearly every police shooting...

it is more costly for the department to defend its actions than it would have been to use nonleatal force. But they would never see it that way.

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crankybubba

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Fri Dec-09-05 02:44 PM
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22. they do make a smaller taser

Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 02:49 PM by crankybubba

the taser x26 model smaller than most handguns about 7 inches long overall. and is 5% more powerful than the larger taser. It is also avalible for civilian purchase (where legal) for about $1000.00

not commenting weather this was a justified shoot. just that regular cops carry leathal and non leathal weapons routinely.

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rucky

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Fri Dec-09-05 02:51 PM
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24. makes a great stocking stuffer! n/t

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Silverhair

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:19 PM
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10. ALL cops are always trained to shoot for center mass.

I have to leave now and don't have time to explain why. Also, ANY shot anywhere CAN be lethal. If the bullet cuts the femoral artery a person can bleed out from a leg wound.

If you really want to know why "shoot to wound" is Hollywood movie only, never in real life, PM me and I can discuss it with you.

Gotta go.

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specimenfred1984

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:16 PM
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7. I voted no

I would've tackled him or physically subdued him in some way. The guy got past security and was cleared, as did his luggage. Knowing that, and knowing that I had others to help me physically contain the guy, there's no way I would've fired on him.

That's not to say that someone else shouldn't, people all react in different ways. If I were the cop's superior, I'd put him on leave and investigate but I wouldn't let him go.

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napi21

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:20 PM
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11. I voted Yes, absolutely because the marshals didn't have

an opportunity to "have all the facts" when they had to make their decision either! They are forced to make a judgement on the best thing to do at the time.

Tasers in most cases couldn't work because you have to be too close to the perp to use one.

For all those who voted absolutely, or probably not, what would you be saying today IF the perp had detonated a bomb and blew up the plane and part of the terminal, and the Marshals hadn't shot him first because they were considering all the possibilities?

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specimenfred1984

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:32 PM
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17. What if, what if, what if, what if

What if we just shot him, his screaming wife and a few passengers, would that be better than a bomb going off?

What if he had a nuke and blew up 1/2 the city?

What if we just shoot people first and ask questions later?

The guy was in a secured area, I would not have shot him. Again, that doesn't mean that someone else might react differently, as they did this time.

But, THERE WAS NO BOMB so "what if" questions are already answered. The biggest "what if" question that anyone with a gun should ask themselves is "what if I'm killing someone who doesn't need to die?"

In a secured area, this person did not need to die.

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Deja Q

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Fri Dec-09-05 02:39 PM
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21. What if, what if, what if

In split-second decisions, you don't have the time to get a sufficient amount of answers and had no choice but to make a guess within that split-second?

Do you take a risk he's comparatively harmless?

Do you take a risk he's comparatively harmless and believe the rest of the passangers won't freak out if you continue to let him run amok?

Do you take a risk that he COULD be a danger?

We're still human. And this isn't a game of Chess. Real lives are at stake. MANY lives.

Whatever happened to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"? Even in cases requiring decisions we may not want to face?

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tridim

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:24 PM
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13. I can't even kill a spider, so no I wouldn't have pulled the trigger

I wouldn't be a good candidate for air marshal duty or any other job that may require deadly force.

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Cleita

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:30 PM
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16. If I thought he was a threat, I might have tried to disable him, but

I wouldn't have shot to kill. Of course I'm a really lousy shot without a scope, so who knows, I may have killed him anyway.

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insanity

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Fri Dec-09-05 02:24 PM
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19. shooting to disable is not a sound tactic

I hold great reverance for human life, but that being said I would have pulled the trigger. The FAMs only have one thing to go off of: a guy is presenting a threat to the lifes of others. I would do what every cop is trained to do and shoot three times (the "failure drill" or two to center mass and one to the head) to elimnate the threat without putting a high quanitiy of bullets in an area with innocent people. The FAMs do not know if this guy was going to blow up people or try to commit cop assisted suicide, all they have is thier duty to protect other people.

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Cleita

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Fri Dec-09-05 02:35 PM
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20. I know cops are trained to shoot to kill.

I don't think it's a good policy.

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Warpy

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Fri Dec-09-05 01:35 PM
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18. I don't think any of us can second guess this

because we haven't had the training nor have we faced the pressure these guys are under.

This was just a tragedy. Nobody did anything wrong. Sometimes shit happens, no matter what you do to avoid it.

Be angry about mental illness and the country's stingy response to the mentally ill. Be angry about a world that is so fucked up that people are willing to blow themselves and innocent people up to make a political point. Be angry at the past 60 years of stupid foreign policy.

Just recognize that it was the collision of all those factors that caused the death of one sick man in Florida.

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stray cat

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Fri Dec-09-05 02:48 PM
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23. Since I don't have the facts I can't answer

However, I don't plan to join a premature lynch mob either.

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