What is it with men supporting * ?

President Bush's improved standing with whites, men, Catholics and other core supporters has been a key factor in pushing his job approval rating up to 42 percent. That's the highest level since summer.

Bush's job approval among men has climbed from 39 percent in November to 47 percent now and among whites from 40 percent to 47 percent, according to the AP-Ipsos poll. Catholics' approval went from 32 percent to 41 percent. In the Northeast, Bush's support grew from 27 to 41 percent, and in the West from 34 to 42 percent.

The poll found approval for Bush's handling of Iraq also was up, from 37 percent last month to 41 percent now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/09/AR2005120901193.html
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Can someone explain to me what 47 percent of men support * while only 36% of women support him.

even worse

48% of men approve of the job he is doing in Iraq and 33% of women.

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/politics/13370869.htm

people.

Tactics? You know--"kill the competition", corporate espionage, advertising "campaigns", hostile takeovers, taking over market share, "risk-taking", dog-eat-dog... etc.

that's been my experience. this from a very white guy.

They're bad asses with a swagger and can blow things up and shit. I'd like to see the poll broken down just involving males. Those who served in the military who support bush and those who didn't and support bush.

Rather ironic cause these machos types would get blown if they lived Big Dogs life.

and I don't believe the MSPolls either for the same reason.

I wonder who took the poll and how they selected their contacts? I know I could get a poll to say Shrubs #s were 65% or more, just by taking the poll here in N Georgia!

Let's wait and see just how long this lasts.

All women, no matter how wealthy, worry about becoming bag ladies.

Of course, the reason women worry about becoming bag ladies is because they're afraid Mr. Pillar of Society will abandon them and their children.

Yeeee-hah!

White males ARE the bulk of the Republican party and the ones who put this asshat in office. If white males didn't vote, we'd never have another Republican in office EVER EVER EVER again.

some of his traits, especially being unable to admit a mistake. Therefore, they will continue to support Bush so they don't have to admit voting for the wrong candidate.

My husband is white, male, republican. Whenever we discuss Bunnypants, he'll usually say "well I don't agree with EVERYTHING he's done," or "I agree with some of what you're saying," or "I can see why you'd see it that way/feel the way you do"; but not ONCE has he been able to admit that his voting for * was A MISTAKE. I think he knows it was, but he can't bring himself to admit it, much less say it. I guess to do so would mean admitting defeat or something. I think he identifies with the pseudo white male victimization paradigm that the corporate media loves to push....

I say that because he's also made comments that suggest he's extremely insecure about losing his spot in the workplace to women and/or minorities, usually by saying things like "they're protected." He may also give them their props to their legitimate qualifications, but "they're protected" usually comes up first. So he feels threatened in some way and Bunnypants and the white male GOP majority give him reason to feel good about himself, unapologetically. Unfortunately, that 'feeling good about' oneself comes at the expense of putting others down.

likely to share his traits and are able to admit a mistake and continue to support *.... Hmmmm, pretty "broad" brush view...

for this sort of candidate. Hence the DAILY freepster "oooh, he's just so sexy" threads.

Because any woman with eyes could see that Al Gore was better looking.

The women who insist on following Bush are even more despicable than are the men who do so. These women are the weak sisters, the ones who can't function w/o a man telling them what to do, and what to think.

there are some out there, but I don't know or talk to any. The only people I know who do support Bush are men. BTW, I'm not doing any man bashing here, just relating my personal observations.

and you don't have to look far. Drive through the suburbs during the day and the minivans with W stickers tell the story.

around here and we used to see a lot of them. The people who were quite vocal in their support for Bush have grown strangely quiet. He carried Arkansas last year, but last month his approval rating was down to 40%. That might explain part of the recent silence.

and I may just be hypersensitive. Seeing one makes me immediatly mutter profanties.

A well-known trait of disgusting little men. We've all met such men.

(Obviously I'm not tarring all men with this brush.)

:sarcasm:

has or will get any support from me other than out the door.

It all goes back to the uncertainty principle. All men know that they're supposed to be assholes, so if they say they're not for bush, then they can't really be assholes.

So by measuring men like this in a competitive environment, all men will become assholes even though they may not really have originally been assholes.

No matter what standard is used to measure it, environmental, against torture, or against peace; America is certainly an asshole nation for allowing these things to happen.

As a male, I'm kind of ashamed that more men aren't thoughtful enough to not support this clown. I suppose men might be more susceptible to peer pressure that if you don't go along with your support, you're some sort of wimp. I have an associate who's wife is Afro-American and a republican. I am tormented by the thought that anyone would support * and no so much taken aback that she is both female and of color. I think her problem might be that she likes to put on airs and sees republicanism as some sort of holier than thou place to come fro. It is a mystery why anyone would support this draft dodging feckless fool.

don't support him, except one black sheep, Rush Limbaugh loving, uneducated uncle. So who are they polling? Not one of my family members have ever been polled.

Real Men (the beer-swillin', crotch-scratchin' kind) don't wanna be associated with them pansy gay-friendly Democrats. Might threaten their masculinity.

Why else do you think the Repugs posture Chimpy as a swaggering cowboy? Why else was the gay marriage "issue" was so successful? Why else is it more important to be resolutely, consistently wrong, instead of bein' a flip-flopper? Goes along with that whole "Real Men don't stop to ask directions" thing.

by supporting Shrub) have been sitting around scratching their tiny crotches and swilling 2% beer (b/c their doctors told them not to drink but they just can't help it), the definition of REAL MEN has reverted to its true meaning: REAL MEN aren't blind followers, REAL MEN are independent.

Unfortunately for them, there is absolutely nothing independent and self-sufficient about blindly following a LOSER.

48% of men approve the job the president is doing in Iraq and only 33% of women.

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/politics/13370869.htm

they're saying that men approve of a spoiled frat bully boy, who was a cheerleader in college and is afraid of horses? Well, my hubby's great uncle who was a real cowboy wouldn't be for no neon cowboy, and he could tell the difference.

grew by those margins, ESPECIALLY in the northeast. A 13% gain? BULLSHIT.

and it had almost the exact same increase in approval ratings for * if I recall. We haven't seen a Gallup poll for awhile.

Just because you don't like the results, or they don't make intuitive sense to you, doesn't mean you can legitimately label it BS. Historically, AP-Ipsos has been in line with all the other polls. Only a month ago AP-Ipsos had him at 37%. Was it "bullshit" then?

I'm not happy about this report either, but I think after heating bills come in, he'll drop back down to the 30's.

Not when I'm talking to people who were staunch supporters for the last 5 years who now are peeling off stickers and reversing their opinions.

I don't buy it for a second, sorry.

JYHO. An established poll like AP-Ipsos simply trumps your opinion--which is based on talking to several staunch supporters you know.

Like I said, you may not "buy" the results, but them's the results.

Tell you what, when you live in the Northeast, talk to people that live here, work with people that live here, and do business with people that live here, come talk to me.

Until then, I ain't buyin' it for a second.

The big question before us is how many people are for WarCriminal's impeachment and also how many are for his resignation. There is not one of these bastardized pollsters asking that.

who don't give a shit about women, the poor, or the environment. Screw you all, they've got theirs. Deep down they probably know they're not "all that" but they do everything they can to feel like they are superior. Confederate flag wavers are the ultimate case of this.

you know?

"Wars and soldiers are supposed to kill people and break stuff. It's what they're for."

He uses that whenever the U.S. military is sent on some sort of "peacekeeping" or "humanitarian" mission. It irritates him that the military would be used for anything of the kind.

It's all a very masculine discussion. After all, who starts and fights wars? Mostly men. (I said MOSTLY!) But I am not blaming men for being true to what may just be the nature of the majority of them. Any more than I would blame women for having a different sort of nature.

In fact, I would argue that that's just the way nature made the majority of males. They strive, they fight, they attack, they defend against attacks, this is life, in many ways, for a male human being. Consider the well-known studies in which little boys were found to have preferred the more aggressive toys. Or listen to me when I tell you that I have driven MANY a van-full of little boys, and have been regularly distracted by the fairly common assaults (usually just small things, but assaults, nonetheless) that they routinely make on one another. When you drive a van-load of even seatbelted little boys, be prepared for them to sort of bounce off one another.

It's not that males are full of hate (they're not)--it's just what they do (generally speaking). Usually boys' aggression isn't even meant to really harm, it's just young males engaging in play which will prepare them to be older males.

So by the time a young boy grows up, he usually thinks war is kind of neat. (Although an especially insightful boy can also see the hideous downside of war.) It's a contest. It's competition. Like a really big rugby match!

So if half the population still has remnants of this feeling that war (competition, contest) is kind of neat, then that half will not be horrified at all by kickin' ass. And that's how wars are sold.

And as we all know, Dumbya is a "war" prethident.

BTW, while I'm using what some will call stereotypes (and while I'm merrily posting before being drawn and quartered by all those who will decry "sexism"), let me just use a real stereotype to describe Bush:

Bush is so very masculine (oh, gee, our hearts skip a beat) that he is the epitome of the guy who WILL NEVER STOP AND ASK FOR DIRECTIONS. Oh, no, can't do that! Can't stop going somewhere, can't admit you don't know something, gotta be stubborn even if it takes you more than 50 miles out of your way! Or, in the case of Bush, even if it takes you more than 2130 deaths out of your way.

It just figures that Mr. Masculine War President would have all the destructive character traits of the male, while having none of the good, constructive, character traits of the male.

Exactly. Excellent post.

I am a man and so I know something about how they think. I know this is a crazy place to start BUT...

Sometimes I watch porn videos that I download off the internet. What I really DON'T like to see and what a lot of them portray these days is a great insensitivity to the women involved. These beautiful girls are treated really poorly by creepy guys, treatment they would not allow for more than a few seconds in the real world. So like you, I ask myself: what would motivate men to produce this, and why would other men find it entertaining? I think my answer and yours are very similar.

White men have been brought up to feel "entitled". They feel it's a woman's place to cook for them, do their laundry, and bring the boys beer while they watch televised sporting events. They feel they don't have to go down on women or respect their feelings, and they like it when the guys think they're so clever after they make put-down jokes about niggers, spics, kikes and queers.

This kind of man sees a world that is becoming increasingly out of touch with HIS reality. They see uppity blacks becoming managers who they must submit to, they see fags treated like real people whose opinions count, and they see women who reject the dishpan life, leaving their husbands for other women! Or chinks! This kind of a guy sees the sensible world eroding. The world where everything naturally comes to him because he's a white man.

So when he sees porn where the bitch is getting slapped around and slammed really hard, or a strutting macho white man stepping down off Air Force One, his submissive and smiling wife trailing 10 feet behind, a tough Texan who sips good old bourbon and laughs as he ignores the midnight reprieve call from the prison, knowing some bitch will soon be fried, a man's man who shoots small animals with big guns, sabotages the gay agenda and uses the nigger word at home, when he sees that kind of an anti-intellectual Bush-man as the most powerful man in the world, then he feels safer. He feels secure that the world is turning back to the sensible time when things were easy for white men, because they were white, and men.

It's entitled dinosaur man seeing his world slipping away. They sure don't want that lezbo Hillary running things, there's no way she would shoot up those backward countries full of muslims beardos!

and welcome to DU

i'm a guy and the whole thing is a mystery to me.

i avoid the red neck males in my family -- i have no idea what they think on a personal level.
i know they are rush ditos -- but that explains nothing.

my white male is a recent veteran.

He's from up North, but he's lived in the South since he was 13... He is also employeed in a so-called conservative line of work.

So... I guess my white male breaks most of these stereotypes. Thank God! :applause:

I'm guessing this is why he's "my" white male. :)

Seriously, though - I think white men think the Dem Party is "out to get them" and take away their livelihoods and money and what-not, so they think they HAVE to vote for Republicans. They never consider what doing that very thing has done to, well, their livelihoods and money.

Smart men also have that facility for logic which is so often lauded. ("Honey, it would've been better if you'd gone down and turned off the water main instead of taking every cloth item in the house and continuing to mop up the water as it gushed out of the broken pipe.")

The repukes love to talk about how "liberals are illogical". Yeah, sure. Like the black "liberals" (many of whom are rock-bottom fundamentalist Christians) who refuse to vote against their own interests, and who will therefore never be a part of the repukelican "big tent".

The repukes don't know logic from loofahs. (Oh my God I'm gonna get sued for defamation by Bill O'Reilly...)

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There certainly is a racial component to the political perception of shrub. You all may recall that shrub's approval among African Americans fell to neglible levels. Do we know something that much of America doesn't get?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/10/13/BL2005101300885.html

A Polling Free-Fall Among Blacks

By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Thursday, October 13, 2005; 3:09 PM

In what may turn out to be one of the biggest free-falls in the history of presidential polling, President Bush's job-approval rating among African Americans has dropped to 2 percent, according to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll.

The drop among blacks drove Bush's overall job approval ratings to an all-time low of 39 percent in this poll. By comparison, 45 percent of whites and 36 percent of Hispanics approve of the job Bush is doing.
A few months after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found Bush's approval rating among blacks at 51 percent. As recently as six months ago, it was at 19 percent.

But Bush's bungled response to Hurricane Katrina -- seen by many blacks as evidence that he didn't care about them (see my September 13 column ) -- may have brought support for the president in the African American community down to nearly negligible levels.

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So this morning, I called Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted the survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff, to get a better sense of the significance of the results.

"African Americans were not supporters, but I don't think that they outright detested him -- until now," Hart said. "The actions in and around Katrina persuaded African Americans that this was a president who was totally insensitive to their concerns and their needs."

Hart said he has never seen such a dramatic drop in presidential approval ratings, within any subgroup.

that show evidence the female brain is more hard-wired for empathy than the male brain. Of course this doesn't apply to all men but I think this has something to do with the fact more women vote Democrat. When I speak with conservatives I sometimes get the feeling that their brains are simply not capable of experiencing feelings of empathy and compassion.

:)

with psychologist Arlie Hochschild. It's a bit long, and is from a couple of
years ago, but it's well worth the read.

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/12/int03326.html

"Boys are from Jupiter, they get more stupider."

An alarming percentage of guys tend to go shit like "Faces of Death" and "Fox Presents the World's Worst Train Wrecks."