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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:49 PM
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"Whatever else one thought of Dean’s remarks, and whatever one’s views are
... on the propriety of analogizing the conflict in Iraq with Vietnam, Dean’s equating of the Bush Administration’s statements about the Iraq war to the statements which Americans heard from their Government throughout the duration of the Vietnam War was absolutely, indisputably accurate as a matter of historical fact.

Much of the American population is too young to remember how it was that the combat phase of the Vietnam War dragged on from 1965 until 1975, with virtually no progress, culminating in clear American defeat.

But a review of what Americans were being told about the war as it was being waged – the falsely optimistic reports from the Executive Branch and military leaders, the endless promises of imminent improvement which never arrived, the equating of anti-war sentiment with surrender and cowardice, and even the misleading Governmental accounts of the Gulf of Tonkin incident which manipulated a compliant Congress into initially giving Johnson war authority – reveals striking similarities in both rhetoric and substance with respect to the Government’s claims about Vietnam and Iraq.

Following are representative statements made by Presidents Johnson and Nixon, military leaders, and others regarding the Vietnam War was as it evolved. These are all contemporaneous statements made at the time, and are thus free of any retrospective interpretation or distortion.

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From Contemporaneous government statements about the Vietnam War by Glenn Greenwald on December 8, 2005

Do read the entire essay:

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/12/contemporaneous-government-statements.html


I had cited John Judis' excellent New Republic article on Gov. Dean, yesterday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5551415

And, am pleased to see that DUer BurtWorm posted segments from the article and it's now on the DU Homepage:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5550285&mesg_id=5550285

Judis and Greenwald should be commended for writing cogently about Gov Dean's ability to speak the truth, persistently -- a habit that "We the People ..." should demand from anyone whom we elect (and provide salary) to represent us.


Peace.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:54 PM
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1. Amen, and thank you.
:toast:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 05:12 PM
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5. And, to you .....
:toast:


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 05:01 PM
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2. Westmoreland 1967, such a sad quote.
This sounds like things we are hearing now.

"General Westmoreland and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Ernest Wheerler, November 16, 1967:

REPORTER: How do you see it, General?

GENERAL WESTMORELAND: Very very encouraged. I've never been more encouraged during my entire, almost four years in this country. I think we're making real progress. Everybody is very optimistic that I know of, who is intimately associated with our effort there."

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 05:11 PM
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4. Oh, Gawd! Westy! What an asshole he was!
:eyes: The most inflexible Zombie of all. :puke:
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 05:02 PM
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3. Thank you, Harry S Truman, for this gem:
I never give them hell; I just tell them the truth and they think it is hell.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 06:02 PM
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6. One of his best.
A related Tertullian quote: "The first reaction to truth is hatred"


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