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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:10 PM
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Memo from God: What is it about 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' that you don't
understand?

Can I make it any fucking clearer?

Keep it up and I'm going Old Testement on y'alls ass again (God's a Southerner).






I recieved this message from a smoking holly bush earlier this afternoon. I think he's pissed.

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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:11 PM
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1. Why is Jesus gettin' all diety-glowy in the men's room?
:shrug:
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:13 PM
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2. It's his part time job....
Men's room attendant at the WalMart.

(Actually, with the humility angle...)

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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:18 PM
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8. Loving Thy Brother ??
oh... i'm going to hell now aren't I.

jesus i'm just kidding
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:13 PM
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3. The technical translation is:
"Do not murder," not "do not kill."

As is quite clear from the Pentateuch, YHWH, Adonai, and El didn't have much problem with killing.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:17 PM
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7. That's what I hear from the people who support state sponsored killing...
Torquemada and Cotton Mather liked that shit as well.

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:16 PM
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14. You read hebrew?
I do...and you may not like it, but words have meanings. Even words in languagess that YOU don't understand.

And appealing to the "10 commandsments" as a foundation for modern ethics is not a good strategy. They were formulated for use in a desert-dwelling, nomadic and POLYTHEISTIC society.

If you'll notice, YHWH/Adonai doesn't deny the existence of other gods with the first 2 commandments, or even that they should be respected. He simply commands his people not to worship other gods *before* him.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 07:58 AM
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17. I don't read Mandarin either.
My Latin's okay.

Vacca Stulta. Vescere bracis meis!


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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:46 PM
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10. Nicely done.
Thank you for that brilliant clarification. And for the curious, here are the correct translations of the other 9.

1. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have other gods before me. This does not include cell phones, Seinfeld reruns, or Vice Presidents who act like God.

2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. However, feel free to use My name any time you want to advocate something that seems pretty holy to you.

3. Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day, and really, what better way to honor Me than by having a bunch of steroid-filled gay guys tearing off each other's limbs on TV every Sunday afternoon. Even the universe's Intelligent Designer couldn't beat that.

4. Honor thy Father and thy Mother -- at least once in a while. OK, let's get real. Nobody expects to score 100% on any test. This one's a throw-away.

6. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Did I really say that? I don't remember giving that one to Moses. I think what I said is that people shouldn't be gay, but it is OK to try out a bunch of trophy wives, especially if that helps you lead a riotous life.

7. Thou shalt not steal. Now, I'm talking about poor people stealing for a meal or to put clothes on their kids. We all know that's stealing. But when the rich and powerful take things from the poor, well, the word "steal" seems so harsh. How about we call that "Trickle Down"?

8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Hell, I can't even remember what that means. Basically if you can get away with it, that's OK by me.

9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife. However, if you want to mess around a little, then she really no longer is your neighbor's wife in the Biblical sense, so that would technically be OK.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods. Read my lips, folks. I said COVET. It is a sin to covet thy neighbor's goods, but if you can take the stuff without coveting, no prob.

I'm glad I had the chance to straighten this out. I've been meaning to do that for a couple thousand years. OK, everybody -- there's a party in Heaven. Y'all come!
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:17 PM
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15. Another hebrew scholar?
Wow, I had no idea there were so many on here.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 08:02 AM
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18. So what is the difference
and isn't killing innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan murder?

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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:14 PM
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4. This is "their" Jesus!
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:21 PM
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9. Except their Jesus..
is, in fact, middle-eastern.

I bet the fundie pea-sized racist brain can't even begin to grasp that little bit of truth,
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:15 PM
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5. Jesus is a pinko long-haired hippie liberal!
Whodathunkit?
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thefool_wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 08:42 PM
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11. He was
The ULTIMATE pinko long-haired hippy liberal.

How many of us would knowingly go to our deaths for the "radical" ideas we believe in. I would have a hard time doing it.

to the 10 commandments, there really are only 2. Look it up, M M L & J.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 08:43 PM
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12. Funny...I was watching "Kingdom of Heaven"
(which, dammit, is really kinda good) and I notice how even back then the Bible was twisted and perverted to serve priests' selfish ends.
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thefool_wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:47 AM
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19. OH yeah
history shows that it is not the faithfulness of God that should be questioned, but the faithfulness of God's followers (sorry for the pulpit stand, it just happens every once in a while)

I REALLY want to see that movie, the crusades are facinating. Its amazing how much people can pervert their faith to mean they need to kill for God (and ALL western religions have been guilty of this at one time or another, though I would need a memory jog for an example of how the Jews have done it).
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:54 AM
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20. And, he was Jewish. Seems that they forget that part.
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don954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 07:15 PM
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6. one of my favs...
God Angrily Clarifies 'Don't Kill' Rule

NEW YORK—Responding to recent events on Earth, God, the omniscient creator-deity worshipped by billions of followers of various faiths for more than 6,000 years, angrily clarified His longtime stance against humans killing each other Monday.

"Look, I don't know, maybe I haven't made myself completely clear, so for the record, here it is again," said the Lord, His divine face betraying visible emotion during a press conference near the site of the fallen Twin Towers. "Somehow, people keep coming up with the idea that I want them to kill their neighbor. Well, I don't. And to be honest, I'm really getting sick and tired of it. Get it straight. Not only do I not want anybody to kill anyone, but I specifically commanded you not to, in really simple terms that anybody ought to be able to understand."

Worshipped by Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike, God said His name has been invoked countless times over the centuries as a reason to kill in what He called "an unending cycle of violence."

"I don't care how holy somebody claims to be," God said. "If a person tells you it's My will that they kill someone, they're wrong. Got it? I don't care what religion you are, or who you think your enemy is, here it is one more time: No killing, in My name or anyone else's, ever again."

The press conference came as a surprise to humankind, as God rarely intervenes in earthly affairs. As a matter of longstanding policy, He has traditionally left the task of interpreting His message and divine will to clerics, rabbis, priests, imams, and Biblical scholars. Theologians and laymen alike have been given the task of pondering His ineffable mysteries, deciding for themselves what to do as a matter of faith. His decision to manifest on the material plane was motivated by the deep sense of shock, outrage, and sorrow He felt over the Sept. 11 violence carried out in His name, and over its dire potential ramifications around the globe.

"I tried to put it in the simplest possible terms for you people, so you'd get it straight, because I thought it was pretty important," said God, called Yahweh and Allah respectively in the Judaic and Muslim traditions. "I guess I figured I'd left no real room for confusion after putting it in a four-word sentence with one-syllable words, on the tablets I gave to Moses. How much more clear can I get?"

"But somehow, it all gets twisted around and, next thing you know, somebody's spouting off some nonsense about, 'God says I have to kill this guy, God wants me to kill that guy, it's God's will,'" God continued. "It's not God's will, all right? News flash: 'God's will' equals 'Don't murder people.'"

Worse yet, many of the worst violators claim that their actions are justified by passages in the Bible, Torah, and Qur'an.

"To be honest, there's some contradictory stuff in there, okay?" God said. "So I can see how it could be pretty misleading. I admit it—My bad. I did My best to inspire them, but a lot of imperfect human agents have misinterpreted My message over the millennia. Frankly, much of the material that got in there is dogmatic, doctrinal bullshit. I turn My head for a second and, suddenly, all this stuff about homosexuality gets into Leviticus, and everybody thinks it's God's will to kill gays. It absolutely drives Me up the wall."

God praised the overwhelming majority of His Muslim followers as "wonderful, pious people," calling the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks rare exceptions.

"This whole medieval concept of the jihad, or holy war, had all but vanished from the Muslim world in, like, the 10th century, and with good reason," God said. "There's no such thing as a holy war, only unholy ones. The vast majority of Muslims in this world reject the murderous actions of these radical extremists, just like the vast majority of Christians in America are pissed off over those two bigots on The 700 Club."

Continued God, "Read the book: 'Allah is kind, Allah is beautiful, Allah is merciful.' It goes on and on that way, page after page. But, no, some assholes have to come along and revive this stupid holy-war crap just to further their own hateful agenda. So now, everybody thinks Muslims are all murderous barbarians. Thanks, Taliban: 1,000 years of pan-Islamic cultural progress down the drain."

God stressed that His remarks were not directed exclusively at Islamic extremists, but rather at anyone whose ideological zealotry overrides his or her ability to comprehend the core message of all world religions.

-snip-

"I'm talking to all of you, here!" continued God, His voice rising to a shout. "Do you hear Me? I don't want you to kill anybody. I'm against it, across the board. How many times do I have to say it? Don't kill each other anymore—ever! I'm fucking serious!"

Upon completing His outburst, God fell silent, standing quietly at the podium for several moments. Then, witnesses reported, God's shoulders began to shake, and He wept.

full version: http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-13685.html
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BeTheChange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 08:44 PM
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13. I love the onion..
I was just about to go try and dig this article up. :)
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Dances with Cats Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:56 PM
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16. Kick.....
great point. I want to hear the Pro death posters tie themselves into a rhetorical knot responding to this post
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