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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 10:57 AM
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Tim Russert did it again....
He did the following 2 things today that is very misleading in order to protect his boy Bush:

1. He said that Clinton said in 1998 that Sadaam was a threat and had WMD. Okay, that is true but what he conveniently leaves out is that after Clinton said this he bombed the hell out of Iraq (remember wag the dog?). After the bombing the military reported that they successfully destroyed Sadaam most dangerous weapons.

2. Timmy Boy said that everyone thought Sadaam had WMD. Yes, that is probably true but when you use the general term WMD it is very misleading. Anthrax is included by many as a WMD but not a substance that can cause mass destruction. When one speaks about WMD it really means nuclear weapons and no intelligence agency in the world, including the USA, thought Sadaam had a nuclear program ready to go (except for Bush and Cheney).

Thanks Timmy....you did it again to mislead the american people you piece of sh^%i^t!!!!!
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:00 AM
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1. Sorry timmy, but as part of everyone,
Edited on Sun Dec-11-05 11:00 AM by dkofos
I knew he did not have WMD's.

I guess I was listening to the right experts.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:02 AM
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2. I would add that on #2
If Tim used the term "everyone" then this is quite obviously not correct. There were plenty of people, including elected officials, CIA analysts, and even lowly website admins who were not convinced that Saddam had WMD.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:36 PM
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13. Doesn't matter, anyway. ALL old intel was INOPERABLE the moment inspectors
went in and started reporting back with the FACTS on the ground in Iraq.

They reported the facts on the ground for two months already before Bush DECLARED in an official letter to Congress that our national security was under threat.

Bush lied - he HAD NO CURRENT INTEL that told him military action was necessary.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:07 AM
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3. the europeans were not convinced, hans blix was not
convinced, and it's quite the leap to think that ANY other president other than gw would have started a pre-emptive war.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:12 AM
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5. I tend to think when people like Tim say "everyone"
they have a very narrow view of who "everyone" is. All the other RW idiots who run their mouths and make tons o dough lying are cut from the same cloth.

I am truly dismayed to know that the average IQ of zero, fed on these guys b.s. has become the voting base that supposedly won the last 2 elections.

I stil believe they were stolen, and the the U.S. populatio is not really that stupid, or afraid of 3rd rate M.E. dictators.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:26 AM
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7. Karl convinced the tater headed whaa-chee-ma-callit by phone.
Like he does every day. Timmy is on the right wing payroll and might even be one of Rummy's DoD propagandists, meant to "Shape Opinion" in the pResident's favor. Timmy will say or do anything it takes, to keep Jack Welch, the guy who give Tim his job, grinning! We already know that KKKarl tells Tim what everyone on MSNBC should, or shouldn't, say. Tim admitted that much to the grand jury. The ONLY program I watch on MSNBC, is Countdown and I don't watch it when Obermann isn't there. MSNBC, FOX and CNN are all under Karl's thumb IMHO. I trust some of what I hear on CBS and that is about it! Other than CBS evening news and 60 minutes the rest of the TV "NEWS" is about as believable as the funny papers!
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:11 AM
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4. Sending this over to Russert
Edited on Sun Dec-11-05 11:23 AM by cal04
The president said Iraq's refusal to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors presented a threat to the entire world.
"Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons," Clinton said.

"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.

Strikes necessary to stunt weapons programs
Timing was important, said the president, because without a strong inspection system in place, Iraq could rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear programs in a matter of months, not years.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:18 AM
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6. Everyone Tim?
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/nation/13382859.htm

<Posted on Sun, Dec. 11, 2005


France said arms data was false

Repeatedly warned CIA there was no evidence of Niger deal

BY TOM HAMBURGER, PETER WALLSTEN and BOB DROGIN

Los Angeles Times

PARIS — More than a year before President Bush declared in his State of the Union speech that Iraq had tried to buy nuclear weapons material in Africa, the French spy service began repeatedly warning the CIA in secret communications that there was no evidence to support the allegation.

The previously undisclosed exchanges between the U.S. and the French, described by the retired chief of the French counter-intelligence service and a former CIA official during interviews last week, came on separate occasions in 2001 and 2002.

The French conclusions were reached after extensive on-the-ground investigations in Niger and other former French colonies, where the uranium mines are controlled by French companies, the official said. He said the French investigated at the CIA's request>


Pick up your GE paycheck on the way by the front desk Timmy.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:43 AM
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8. He failed to note that there was no indication of any threat ...
... from Iraq or Saddam any time preceding the war. He was doing nada, zilch, nothing, when we attacked. In the history of wars, this one was one of the most unprovoked invasions the past 100 years.

We used the doctrine of containment on the Soviet Union, but we have to attack a little country with no indications of active hostility?! Outrageous!
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bosspepper1 Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:49 AM
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9. I used to really respect his word...
but he must be tapping the till with Shrub.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 10:00 PM
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18. Welcome to DU.
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Liberty2001 Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:51 AM
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10. Don't know about this one ...
JR said: "When one speaks about WMD it really means nuclear weapons and no intelligence agency in the world, including the USA, thought Sadaam had a nuclear program ready to go (except for Bush and Cheney)."

Well, I don't know about that.

Honestly, I've always thought that we were kinda including chemical weapons as well.

After all, those were the weapons that Saddam used against the Kurds.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 09:58 PM
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17. but chemical weapons....
cannot cause mass destruction to the united states, epsecially since the intelligence before the war said that Sadaam had no way of transfering any weapon to the USA and would not give it to a terrorist group because he is scared they would use it against him.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:51 AM
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11. Timmy 'Russet' tips his hat to the lil folks below....
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:40 PM
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12. Russert is a shill n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:40 PM
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14. He tore Graham apart on his past statements as well
Did you see that part?
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:41 PM
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15. It is irrelevant whether WJC or Santa said sadaam had WMD
The point is we know now he didn't. So lets get out. Who cares if everyone was wrong, the key point is NOT 'everyone' but 'wrong.'
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:53 PM
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16. It is not 'irrelevant'. Not to anyone who seeks justice for treason. nt
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 03:17 PM
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20. I was commenting on their ongoing argument that is trying...
to justify jumping off the cliff because everyone else wanted to jump off a cliff. The "groupthink" is not relevant to the fact that we jumped off the cliff. To me its purely a diversionary tactic that is used to lessen the impact of this being an act of a megalomaniac who had predecided what he wanted and is just now trying to construct "facts."

I did not intend to lend veracity to whether or not others knew or didn't know re: WMD's. * did it, that is the only fact that counts.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 10:05 PM
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19. After the UN Inspectors were in there not finding anything did they?


I mean the UN inspectors weren't done, but they weren't finding anything. Did those people think that after that?

That's the thing I just don't see. If there was an immediate threat surely they would have seen something. And without them seeing that I don't think most of those people supported going right in.
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