A monster will die tonight

It's sad that we live in a world with monsters.

I was once told by a wise woman that the Jason's and Freddie Krueger's of Holywood fame are never really scary, and she was right. She said that any Hollywood monster was really a poor attempt at horror.

She then pointed to the most truly frightening and terrifying movie ever made, The Silence of the Lambs. She told me why it was so terrifying.

"It's because the storyline is believeable and it could happen and that says a lot. The most terrifying monsters in this world are real people."

Shame when people start mourning the murderer more than his countless victims.

It's a far cry from being anti death penalty to "mourning a murderer". Sorry but I'm just not proud that our country along with such shining gems like China, Saudi Arabia, North Korea still has statesponsered murder.

You prone to such hyperbole often?

countless threads that have preceeded this one.

But I certainly won't be mourning Tookie, although I will be mourning the lack of life without parole sentences in this country! Emotionally, I think Tookie should die -- just like so many other people. But I can't allow my gut to control my mind. I do not believe in State-mandated executions. I can't, no matter how much I want him, or anyone else, to die.

So, I'm not mourning Tookie. And I'm not against people on DU who support the DP. But, like Will Pitt, I deplore some on here and in the "real" world who revel in it.

even though they weren't a threat to anybody?

Can I feel like shit because of that?

A man will die tonight, executed by the State, one minute after midnight.

May we learn from what this man has been teaching for over a decade... teaching about peace, teaching about redemption.

May Stanley Tookie Williams go with God... in this life and in the next.

Makes Tookie sound like MLK, Gandhi, and St. Francis all rolled into one.

was a little over done.

Someone WROTE that? "May we learn from what this man has been teaching for over a decade... teaching about peace, teaching about redemption?"

I am so sad about the state of our prison system, but this is ridiculous. Laughably ridiculous!

The mind reels.

I mean, I am opposed absolutely to capital punishment, but that's a very different thing from canonizing mass murderers.

with people being killed in their names while they, at the same time, ignore people whose lives they never had anything to do with.

EDIT: The monsters are the ones who pretend not to understand -- the ones who knowingly go out of their ways to be ignorant.

Rhandi reported today that one of the victims wives forgave him.

I get that feeling also....

I get that feeling also....

Its a growing field.

The annual number of executions in the US peaked in the Clinton years.

and out of the Texas statehouse. He had executed something like one out of 4 people who were executed during the Clinton years. BTW Clinton executed no one while President.

No governor of any state is able to order up a bunch of executions, as you make it sound. The convictions and sentences were passed and NOT commuted under previous governors and not commuted by any of them, including Ann Richards. Their appeals ran out under the Bushes terms.

that many of them were convicted and appeals running out during Bush.

Lets take the three that I can think of off the top of my head.

Frances Newton, executed in Sept 2005. Date of arrest and conviction 1987. Who was governor then?

Wesley Baker, executed a few days ago, Date of arrest and conviction 1991/1992 Before W was governor.

Both of them took longer than W's term to get to the end of the process.

Karla Fay Tucker's case dragged on for 14 years. W wasn't governor that long.

Can you show any that did go that fast? How many?

And of all the executions that took place during " Clinton years" how many were from Texas(under Bush*) and Florida(under Bush) and other states that had Republican governors? How many from states with Democratic Governors?

In Texas their were hundreds and in fact the next ten states after Texas are all Deep Red States. So your little Clinton Barb was "true" but like Rush completely false..in that Clinton had absolutely nothing to do with them...

Advocating against the death penalty does not automagically mean that we're "mourning a murderer".

Most still would want him to spend the rest of his life in prison. They just don't feel the government should be involved in the business of killing it's citizens.

Save Tookie threads did indeed argue for his innocence. And they claimed he was framed and never received a fair trial. When asked for evidence...nothing in response.

These two members were probably among the people to whom Endangered Specie was referring.

misinformation that was posted here on DU.

The jury had one black, one Hispanic, and one Filipino.

Once, when I pointed this out, someone responded, "That's not enough minorities!" When asked why this person thought only whites should serve on juries for white defendants, or only Asians should serve on Asian defendant's juries, I got no response. :(

God, that's been disproven a dozen times over...

"debates" here on DU over the last two weeks or so. That, and other lies, have been debunked over and over, as you said.

I wonder if people just don't have the facts of if some might be perpetrating these lies on purpose. Who knows?

:hi:

and as a matter or principle, I see no reason why we should feed unrepentant monsters three square meals a day

The Death Penalty demeans all of us! It makes us no better than the criminal.

claimed the Jews were the cause of all their problems.

so much for a civilized society....

He's reformed, therefore he can't possibly ever hurt anyone, not even a fly.

But what do I know? I prefer talking about empty distractionary tedium such as this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5581866

:shrug: Guess not.

Its called personal responsibility, in my book you dont get any second chances once you have slain an innocent person.

For being so blind as to not see that in every execution of the guilty, we assure the execution of the innocent.

Aw, what the hell! If it's good enough for Bush's pals in Saudi Arabia, it's good enough for us!

It is even sadder that this so-called 'civilized' society of ours practices state sanctioned murder.

and all humans die of natural causes eventually.

You pro-death penalty people are a libertarian's worst friend.

and angels. Don't you ever think that we as a nation deserve to be exactly where we are? We have no morality, no compassion, no humanity. While I never would expect perfection, I would hope that the shallowness evident in so many who never examine the truth within themselves, were not so widespread. Death and Birth are the same to me, so it's a moot point with the death penalty...it's an exercise in mass contempt and nothing more. Never say never.

who haven't killed or ordered the killing of uncounted people. Tookie is finally sweating like his victims did. Good riddance.

That may be unfair for a man who did what he did. I still think these people should live with what they did as it is to easy if they just die. It shows us up and means nothing to a man we peacefully put to sleep. I also do not think it has kept killing down either.

Will the victims reappear? Will the families have closure? How will they feel knowing someone was killed in their name? Will it create an atmosphere of who should and who shouldn't be killed?

There is nothing peaceful about being put to death by injection(s). We should rid ourselves of that delusion. The man will be almost incapable of breathing for the many slow hours before his execution. Then the chemicals will kill him. It's not like a morphine overdose or anything like that. I hope that whatever efforts the guy made to repay society for the death and destruction he is responsible for were successful, even if he managed to only get through to a handful of kids. I hardly think that these efforts somehow make up for the fact that he killed people and inflicted lifelong pain on many people and families. While the media and people focus on cases like this, the fact that government indifference and incompetency led to thousands of deaths and extreme suffering in the US - like in NO - continues to exist in some special kind of category. I'd rather see Mike Brown executed for the thousands of lives he is personally responsible for ending. Do you think that would deter any Repukes from being selfish, self-possessed, criminally negligent government officials? That's the only reason why this execution may be unfair.

Just Jokin!

;)

but they are.

:thumbsup:

:applause: for such a smart answer.

That's exactly right.

:yourock:

A reformed man will be murdered by my state, in my name, tonight. That sickens me.

When did he name names in the Crips gang?

Or are you just buying into the con that he redeemed himself?

Were you there? Can you know for certain he did? And don't tell me they all say that. I've heard it before.

You bought into the con job.

I suggest you go over the evidence. It was overwhelming. The man is guilty.

have you? And I can tell you this much...if he were white, he would have gotten clemency.

and as far as I'm concerned, there is only ojne race, the Human Race.

Stan Williams violated his contract with the human race.

Reagan was governor? He was the last California governor to grant clemency to a death row inmate. So you mean everyone put to death in CA since then has been black?

Why did they keep from having a black person on the jury?

The state shouldn't be in the business of executing people. Period. How can we hold ourselves up as the moral compass of the world when we commit the same atrocities of Saudi Arabia, North Korea, et al.

It matters not who is executed tonight...it matters that it happens at all.

taking lives is precisely one of the things states must do.

All it does is make killers out of state employees. It doesn't deter. It doesn't really serve to punish.

How is it justice to kill another person? How does that make the United States any better than Saudi Arabia? Don't we have a moral obligation to raise the standards, rather than sink to theirs?

I wouldn't want anyone to commit murder by state in my name. Regardless.

It isn't justice. It is revenge and it is wrong.

Do you not see the corrupt power that influences those in power on a daily basis?

:wtf:

shooting.

When it comes to criminal justice you seem to always be on the side of those in power.

Are you a cop, were you a cop? Are you or were you in some capacity part of the criminal justice community?

The only reason I ask is because you sound like many I know who are involved in criminal justice.

I could be wrong, because you also sound like people that I know who have blind faith in the CJ system.

to kill people as a state function.

From Article I, section 8 of the constitution laying out the powers of the legislature:

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water

A government with the power to make war is vested with absolute power to take human life.

the spirit implies during war.

Even if it explicit in the constition doesn't make it right or just.

but society can evolve over time to see that things contained in the Constitution are no longer acceptable.

The government clearly had the power to make war and take lives, no one is disputing that.

I'm saying the government "should not" use its power to take the lives of its own citizens, outside of a war situation.

I don't read that as justifying the DP at all. But twisting documents to justify one's meaning is nothing new - just ask the fundies.

Not taking the life of a single human being due to an inherently flawed justice system.

The constitution only gives the power - it doesn't demand a thing.

And honestly, it doesn't matter what the constitution says on the issue. Are we still treating it like it's some infallable treasure? Are we still ignoring the real reason why it is so great a document - the fact it allows for itself to be changed? Yeesh.

that is sick, man.

Who's to play God and say this person can live while this person can't? Why can they fight tooth and nail for Terri Schavio but nobody sheds a tear for someone else? So when my grandfather died of lung cancer this past summer should I blame God?

to killing HIM- and show remorse for that?

When hell freezes over- take that literally.

If he showed remorse, everyone would say "yeah, he's only doing that to sway people"=
He'll never be worthy of life in many peoples minds- and how is that any different than being a Crip?
Cause, we got the 'law' on our side??

sorry, that doesn't cut it- we are DEAD wrong.

When you're all done with Tookie, there's a few other matters that require your attention. :sarcasm:

"A monster will die tonight." :eyes:

If you don't oppose the DP fine, but at please don't glorify state sanctioned murder. It's not a righteous act.

i see all these anti-death penalty explanations, and the whole state-killing bit and all that, but i just can't get on board.



the way i look at it, as soon as you violate that sacred contract between you and your fellow man to not kill each other, all bets are off.


why should you get to stay in a cell with 3 squares a day, cable TV and whatever else, on my dime? you violated your contract with me and every one else in society. and yes, my thoughts can be extrapolated a number of ways.

Or because far too often innocent people are put to death? Or that the DP is applied in a very racist manner?

There are plenty of reasons as to why one should not ascribe to the brutal "eye for eye" mentality.

Here on the local news they told how this guy was accused of rape several years ago (about twenty) and he got put in jail. It's now known that this person who accused this guy of rape was a liar and it was just now found out. So what if they executed him? And for nothing? And than there was another case in Texas were several years ago this guy was executed and it's now known he was innocent because of new evidence. So what about his family/friends etc?

be, and that's one of my main issues with.



but i see murder of your fellow humans as requiring the ultimate punishment. same with child molestors.

In some cases it is as little as 1/3 the cost.

is so many rightwing Christian's claim to be "pro-life" but when it comes to the death penalty they're all for it. It's a flawed system. Jesus wasn't about an "eye for an eye." He was about forgiveness. Even if you aren't a Christian or believe in Jesus we should all be about forgiveness. The death penalty, in my opinion, has always been the easy way out for someone. Plus, why not work on this person's soul? To help them be a better person? I believe in reincarnation and I would want to help change someone than just kill them and leave their soul with all this built up anger that could possibly cross over with them in their next possible life and they could do it all again. Plus, in my opinion, when you want someone to be killed you're not better than they are. You've got blood on your hands too.

a death penalty case. So, from a practical standpoint, you save more money by keeping someone in a cell on "your" dime.

You make prison sound like going on vacation. Honestly.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7

http://www.nyadp.org/main/faq

Seriously. If it is morally reprehensible to take another person's life, why do we allow the collective "us" to murder?

Personally, I feel that every single juror who ever voted to end someone's life should be obligated by law to be present and in person when the execution is carried out. Better yet, make them all the gunners at the firing squad (or equivalent.) If they haven't the courage to follow through on their decision to commit murder, they have no moral right to make that decision.

No more than punching a 4 year old teaches him that punching people is wrong.

It's crazy.

a person who, at the very least, may have spared some child his own end, in the end.
in this, a barbaric country run by theives and incompents, in this pathetic state hijacked by a yet another bad actor with a bad haircut...there are far more monsters in places like washington dc and sacramento than in compton and harlem.

I'm not a fan of the death penalty, but if we have it, it should be used for cases like this!

how can you be so sure he is guilty? as many of the death-pushers here have mentioned, he might have made things easier on himself if he had admitted killing those four people (the ones he was convicted of murdering), and if he had shown some remorse about that crime. obviously, he has shown some remorse about his other crimes, the fact the he didn't in the case he is now dying...well, i am not convinced he did the crimes.
as for other crimes...i have no doubt he committed several. unfortunately, in most cases, people aren't sentenced to death for crimes they were never tried or convicted for. not anymore anyway: when lynching was legal, it happened all the time.

Were you on the jury? An all white jury with a black man by the way. (And before anyone accuses me of racism I am white).

He seems to have changed, now, though.

Even though my post count is only in the 300s, I've been reading here for about a year and a half. One thing I thought I would NEVER see here is a thread begun for the purposes of celebrating - CELEBRATING!!! - someone's death.

This thread is NOT in celebration. It is in remorse for the victims of a manoster.

has to do with victim's remorse how?

Which makes the state no less reprehensible than Mr Williams, if you ask me. If he remains in prison for the rest of his life, he still doesn't present any risk to society. I don't *think* anyone is arguing that he should go free. Executing him only satisfies the bloodlust of some of the victims.

mister "one marine is worth the lives of EVERY Japanese citizen...," as you posted earlier this year during a discussion in the 50th anniversary of Hiroshima. :grr:

Another one cast into the pit of ignore.

The life of a single Marine WAS worth far more than the collective lives of every Japanese citizen at the time the atomic bomb was dropped. WE WERE IN A DECLARED WAR!

One Marine versus every Japanese CITIZEN...

Wow. Thanks for the wake up call.

That anyone died is remorseful, but to justify it in such a way...

Cast me into your pit of ignore, too, please. I won't miss anything.

I might not have been born"

Swell. I do declare my life is worth tens of thousands of others.

:click:

I remember being quite upset at a few people's posts during those discussions. Now I know who one of those people was.

...just fucking sick.

who dropped atomic weapons on Japanese civilians to end the second world war.

and I sincerely believe he'd agree with me.

Does it make your day every time you get to attempt to justify killing nearly a hundred-thousand people?

as it was a just and correct thing to do.

it's the same thinking.

Iraqis dropping bombs on us starting a war without a formal declaration.

That's pretty fucked.

Japan attacked the United States. I support whatever it took to end that war with the least loss of life to the brave soldiers, Marines, sailors, and airmen forced to fight the war by the Japanese.

If that means entire cities had to be destroyed in order to save the lie of a single Marine, so be it.

Does that mean it's justified for some Iraqi resistor to nuke Cleveland?

Actually, don't answer that. I'm going to hide this thread, because this is by far the most irrational bullshit I've ever at DU, and that's saying a lot.

Telly may have understandably decided he didn't want one, but I'm sure many others are dying to know whether your views, though abominable, are at least consistent- or if they're just rooted in a bloodthirsty ultra-nationalism...

that allowed it to happen. J Edna ignored Dusko Popov's warnings about a Japanese attack in the pacific, and because of it, my grandfather (RIP), who just turned 19, spent that day getting blown down a flight of stairs from his sleep, dodging bombs and pulling bodies from the water. Don't act as if we were completely blameless. Thousands of great men didn't have to die that day if our government and military were better prepared for this attack.

Oh yeah, in case you dismiss this as "moonbat crackpotism" from fringe websites, I first read about this in DC's own Spy Museum.

And the less things change, the more we're pissed that they didn't.

Pathetic. Just pathetic. I never thought i'd see such blood-thirsty MONSTERS on DU.

And 'Walt' - That is beyond even the most vile Freeper talk saying that every Japanese citizen could be justifiably sacrificed so that ONE American shouldn't have to die. Nice logic. Youa re fucking scary.

So, hey, maybe every American city DESERVES to be leveled (and you with them) because America is engaged in a war of agression against a nation who has done NOTHING to us. Cool, man. Al Qaeda is right. Collective guilt is correct!

Of course, Japanese children, well, sorry, just their tough luck for being born in a nation of evildoers.

Am I right in guessing that your solution to every war then would be to incenerate the cities or whatever.

Your arguments are so insane and hateful that I can't beleive you have not been banned.

Don't you have some kittens to torture or something?

Are you taking ethics classes with a half-transexual-half-fish resident of Pennsylvania?

people thought it was okay to gun down that poor airline passenger too. Also I noticed it was some of the same people who thought it was hunky dory to handcuff that little kid a while back...

some of the same people can always be counted on to support any brutal action by the police, such as tasering, shooting people on the pretext that they thought they had a gun, or beating up youths who were handcuffed behind their backs. Sick.

I couldn't disagree with Walt more strongly about this issue, I think he is totally wrong and frankly wish he would stop spamming threads about it, but this is not a "Yeehaw, Fry Tookie!" thread. C'mon. People disagree. If threads can be started asking for clemancy and supporting Williams, so can a this thread which simply states a different view. One that isn't exactly from the moon, many people who pull the lever for democrats support the death penatly without apology.

it's not only here- it is everywhere- this world is turning uglier and uglier every day- faster than the 'compassionate' 'empathetic' progressives can keep pace with.

DU is only a microcosim of this world-

And i've rarely felt so hopeless as to how to turn it around.

you should reserve for people like Hitler or serial killers. Monster is a not a word for someone who was reacting to the society they grew up in, and the codes of that society, (not white, middle class, with good homes and schools), but hardcore poverty and violence. And this person changed himself. Even Jesus said that it is more remarkable for a sinner to come to see the wrongfulness of his ways, than for a pious person who goes about boasting how good they are.

Have you ever lived or worked around poor people or in ghettos? I doubt it.

He is a serial killer, too.

I suggest you read the facts surrounding why he is on death row!

That is not the definition of a serial killer.

And it doesn't make it any less horrific.

Tookie Williams wasn't "reacting to the society grew up in" when he killed four people. Lots of people grow up poor, lots of people grow up black and discriminated against, lots of people grow up in the inner city, lots of people get a raw deal from society. But hardly any of them kill people. To suggest that Williams' actions -- killing four people! -- are somehow explained by the conditions of his birth is an insult to those many, many people who grow up in hardcore poverty but remain decent human beings.

No not all humans will do that. But males have a lot of testosterone and natural aggression, and people that grow up in violence develop survival tactics in those environments. Unfortunately, when they adapt, they are already doomed.

Even on wall street, dominance is the way to play the game.

And I don't think I am insulting those who don't resort to violence. However people who grow up in poverty and see or experience violence are certain to have been traumatized, whether they lash out at others or not.

How sad. I feel sorry for you. What you feel to understand is that enabling the state to murder it's citizens if a far greater crime then that committed by tookie...

Sorry, I just don't think it was.

Even if you have no moral objection to the death penalty, we just spent 3 times more than what we had to to go through the guy's appeals than what it would've cost to just keep him in prison for life.

In addition to the extra cost, we pay the price of a system that puts innocent people to death and is disproportionately applied to the poor and to minorities.

So that's the cost. Now I simply ask you, what do we gain?

And the perpetuation of the "Traditional American Values" of killing for entertainment.

Justice is about what benefits society as a whole. That is why the state on behalf of the people prosecutes crimes. I'm sure the victims' families would feel even better if they got to take Tookie Williams do the town square and stone him to death. But why do you suppose that we don't let them do that?

Hippo_Tron you just stated my POV exactly. I really wish I could hear that on any number
of the cable news discussions concerning this case.

Glad you can enjoy this, Walt.

WAS worth far more than the collective lives of every Japanese citizen at the time the atomic bomb was dropped makes me sick. On what basis do you judge the "worth" of a human life? And who in hell gives you the authority to do so?

Are you using the general "you", or are you referring to me specifically?

You live in Chicago, right? Dude you are surrounded by Monsters that would make Tookie Williams look like tinkerbell! And these motherfuckers are running free.

If he was born bad then he was cursed with his Evil behavior so it's not his fault.

If he was NOT born bad then he was once good or has both good and bad in him like most people.

If he was once good then perhaps he is good again.

If he is good again then he is no longer a Monster.

If he is no longer a Monster then he should be forgiven and spend the rest of his life in Jail not be killed and have his mind tortured for 24 years.

something about Monsters.

"Monster" really whitewashed the case -- she was quite a sociopath. I'm not saying things didn't happen to her to make her MORE twisted, and that she wasn't victimized in many ways, but she wasn't the semi-innocent shown in the movie. There's a documentary that gives a more balanced portrayal. But, Charlize Theron earned her Oscar!

As I said up thread, I'm 100% anti- death penalty, so I'm not arguing about that!!!

n/t/

Only god can judge!

What would you do to a rapist?

rapists of adults should receive life imprisonment with no chance for parole ever, IMO.

No, I am not supporting an "eye for an eye" I reject the Talmud, the Bible, the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, and all other religious texts.

disgusting

they have violated the expected norms of society, ergo, society is justified in removing them from humanity.

"To heir is human. To forgive is divine"

:shrug:

Their fellow inmates will take care of that themselves. Child molesters/killers are the least respected people in the whole prison system. All you have to do is put them in there for life, and the other inmates will get around to raping, torturing, and/or murdering them in due time.

or whatever your equivalent is...

The state is, and if you want to be completely technical, Williams is putting himself to death because of his actions.

Thats what facists and commies do.

A majority of Americans support a Death Penalty, and thus we have one, whether you or I agree with it or not.

and what's even funnier is the fact that we are a democratic-republic.

Making you as guilty

the soldiers are.

"my hands are clean"- NOT-

in plain old dollars- or possible tragedies prevented in the future by this man's work.

There are no good arguments for the death penalty in this case (and actually- there's only one small rational argument period- which would be specific deterrence). And that's it.

ALL OTHER DEATH PEANTY ARGUMENTS ARE IRRATIONAL- as are their proponents. As long as they're willing to face up to that- that they're acting out of base emotion and not reason, OK then. .

Mostly, though, they're not.

of the compassion people are showing Tookie here, devoted to the people whose lives he destroyed.

Thank you for your clarity here. It's appreciated.

A sympathy thread was started the other day and it was largely ignored.

Some even took issue with it, saying it was exploitative of the victims. That accusation spoke more about their own views, though I don't think they realized it.

I've found out in the last two weeks or so that there are a lot of sick people here. People cry "racism" with no proof from this case. Some promote theories of this defendant's innocence, with no proof. And others, just tonight, are making a preemptive strike to blame "the system" for any rioting that may occur after the execution.

So you can see where they stand.

state of California-
And all the killing in response to killing will only birth more monsters-

If you can't see it, it is not because it is not there- or isn't true- it's because you can't face what you fear, especially when what you fear lies within ourselves.

Far more frightening to me, than any 'murderer' from the dark shadows of this earth, is the one who cloaks itself as the "protective parent- the authority figure' which is supposed to be the 'paragon of virtue- but when you look up at the hand that is guiding you, it ain't your mommy- it's your mommy in disguise- and you have allowed yourself to be led to do the slaughtering along with her.

Yes- the mose terrifing monsters in the world are people- and the most terrifing people are those who convince you that doing bad things in the name of 'good' is ok- it's like feeding royal jelly to the queen monster inside of each one of us.

Peices of you- peices of me-

ie: feeling powerless against a big 'dark' world?


Don't fear little man, the powers that be will vindicate you and your 'fears' through murder in the name of the STATE (Union, Nation... whatever)............


If you feel good about this you should re-evaluate your place in this world.

...for example...the idea that a vicious serial killer, being transferred, would be housed in a makeshift jail cell...then left completely alone...then served dinner by two aging deputies who BOTH approach the jail cell....the movie went to hell on me at that point....never, ever happen.

Spare me. What is happening tonight is murder.

Dress it however you want, cast dispersions on those who oppose murder as "murderer lovers", throw up all the lame-ass, culture-cliche references to our monsterous plight as you see necessary, pull out the tired, lame-ass strawmen about anyone who opposes muder doesn't care about the victims of murder and that "if you really oppose the death penalty then you should be working to change the law...this is the law NOW", justify this dispicable act however you see fit (I'm not saying you said all of these things, but I've seen them said tonight here and on other boards).

He may very well be a monster. He may very well have helped countless numbers of at-risk youth to avoid his same fate. The inescapable fact here is that murder will be committed tonight. You will sleep better in the knowledge that you were on the "right" side of the act. I will not.

killing in a very poignant way. He said that every time you kill someone, you kill a part of your own soul. You die a little with each death. I believe he was a vietnam vet.

I think a lot of people who are often bloodthirsty or non-chalant about killing another person are often people who have never killed a human being.

Not only was Tookie not a monster, Hannibal Lecter has nothing on an unstoppable humongous in a hockey mask.

don't really have anything to do with the topic - which you don't actually mention but merely allude to.

Nothing concrete (or real for that matter), but a lot of suggestion that plays on people's fears. Classic case of invoking the boogieman. Kindof like how Saddam was associated with mushroom clouds.

You'd make a good RW politician.

Apparently, Tookie Williams & everyone living in Japan in 1945 were monsters. Any other names on your list?

For an avowed Pagan, you do a pretty good impression of the vengeful Old Testament God.

Odinism, perhaps? Even the Vikings only allowed the kin of the slain to seek vengeance. And decisions at the Althing were often compromises to prevent endless blood feuds.

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