This is awful

besides the idiot in chief we have a so called "first lady" that appears before the world looking like a frump of the first order. What is the matter with her? This is awful . She has millions of dollars at her disposal and this is what is the result of her "wardrobe"? She bragged that she uses only American designers--ugh, they should run to the nearest exit for this atrocity. This woman needs some help here--she is an embarrassment. What on earth does she see when she looks in the mirror? A woman she once was at twenty years old? Gawd, this is horrible--her breasts are hitting her waistline--she is positively frumpy.

sure looks as though someone has a horn coming out of their ear. It's the horny ear society.

as soon as the tears of laughter dry up I'll post more....Thanx!


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So I Read This Book

that was one of her better get ups.

This get up is much worse:



It looks she tried the Scarlet O'Hara trick of make an evening gown out of the drapes.

(Okay, now I'll retract my claws and be a nice kitty)

:puke:

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her to take a long look in the mirror while she cares about how she looks.

as Miss Daisy Werthan might say. :puke:

Hanging with the Bush* Crime Family is not good for one's psyche or waistline. Ask Rush Limpballs, the addict.

And now I learn she has no fashion sense. I am laughing through my tears...

Embarrassingly petty. Shame.

American woman. She does not make it and further, we are to believe that she is the champion of the
Afganistan woman who wishes to shed her burqua--well this frump of a woman without a scintilla of a brain, has abandoned those whom she sent sewing machines to in
AFganistan so that they could sew their daughter a school uniform. I would like to know where those sewing machines went to and where the uniforms went to. I would like this frump to tell us women how she saved all the little Afgani girls from devastation and sent them to school in the uniforms she herself, advocated in all her photo ops.


This woman is a dullard of the first order--she is a phony and needs to be ex-posed as one.

Further, she needs to stop advertising the American designers as those whom she pays for her frumphood--she looks like a pig in these clothes and does not seem to care how she looks. That does not bode well for American designers.

I can gaurantee you that there are very few threads and comments like this here.

Hee hee hee. :)

Sometimes we have to have some fun. I don't mind it at the expense of someone who never had to worry a day about how her next prescription was going to be paid for.

Now I must have my saucer of milk.

What she needs are some gay American designers!

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She redefines "Frump". She's a freakin' mannequin.

And that dress is horrendous, if she has said she uses only American designers, could she be promoting foreign goods? Her hubby has a knack of supporting corporations who prefer exploiting foreign sources...

I miss Hillary.

Yes, she's an ugly hag with no fashion sense, but she's just a powerless figurehead and we have much more important things to worry about.

Topics like this are best left to the Freepers.

and mr. Paine, I am not a freeper. This woman is as much an embarrassment to the American woman as Bush is an embarrassment to the entire democratic process of the United States of America.

I know, Mr. Paine, that you are a gentleman for coming to the aid of a defenseless woman, but we women know better . We know tha Laura is out to represent us and we do not give her that authority, and we know of her 'subservient' postion also, as you will never know. We also know, Mr. Paine, that she has millions of dollars and we also know that she spends a lot of that on her wardrobe and we also know that it is poorly spent and that she appears to not care very much about her appearance---because most of us are tuned in to making very succint decisions when it comes to what we wear and how much we spend, because a lot of us are on a "budget"--most of us, I suspect, do not have the millions Laura does, to spend upon making ourselves "look good" and in spite of that, Laura seems to not care in the slightest. This lady is suffering--and I suspect that you have not the slightest idea what she is suffering from--it is a lack of love and we women recognize that--immediately--right ladies?

She doesn't seem to quick on the uptake to begin with and now she's sedated and married to THAT. Plus she's thick in the middle like many of us of a certain age. It's not nice to pick on her, she's doing the best she can under the circumstances.

Perhaps it should have been posted in the lounge, but it's all in fun. I swear to God some people are humor impaired.

but in my neighborhood, attacking people because of their physical appearance is rotten, juvenile shit. Shame.

what is there about your appearance that makes you so vinagered and puckered? This lady has an obligation to represent us women of the USA and she is a total failure. She is representing frumpery! She is not bad looking, but she is doing everything she can to make herself look like a dullard and a dumkoff

She looks how she looks. Your comments are vicious and shameful.

she is not bad looking, but she is most of time, dressing like the frump of the year. This is unacceptable to any woman who would like this Laura to represent the energized, educated American woman. She is not representing you, Pitt, because you are a man, but she certainly is doing a piss poor job of representing the average American woman--she is just a depressingly dressed , round shouldered, subservient dullard.

American woman, Laura Bush has no obligation to represent me at all. She's the wife of the President. Frankly, I'll take her over some of the would-be socialites and trophy wives of the past. Of both parties.

that your comments seem to be consistently self righteous and preachy. I'm sorry, I do think this was posted in the wrong forum, but as a public figure, Pickles is fair game. And it was done in fun. Your superior attitude is tiresome.


So you wrote a book...I'm over it.

Go find a fat person to mock, or maybe someone with some scars. You rule.

the key words are "public" and "figure". I don't mock the unfortunate. However, public figures are free game. If you want to preach, go get a pulpit. And while you're at it, get a sense of humor and get over yourself. Sheesh.

are based upon physical appearance, bad dresses and the concept of "frumpiness," we deserve to lose every election for the next thousand years. Now, if you want to come over, there are some blind people you can knock down in the next town over.

This thread was hardly meant as a serious "critique". I'm done arguing with you because you are obviously so humorless and full of yourself you couldn't see a joke if it smacked you in the face.

BTW, my aunt is blind and I have yet to knock her over (as much as I try). She has a great sense of humor and is the first to make a "blind" joke. I guess some people "get it" and some just never will.

after using a horrible racial slur. "It was just a joke. C'mon, you must have no sense of humor"

No, this is crap. I can't believe I am reading this shit on DU. I am far angrier about this that I possibly could be reading the usual petty put downs at FR. Somehow, I've just always expected much better of DUers.

By the way, about your aunt - Blacks sometimes make black jokes too. That doesn't make it ok for a white person to tell a racist joke.

to "horrible racial slurs". And, as I mentioned...my aunt was making the jokes...I don't make fun of blind people. I actually care for one sometimes.

Yes it is petty thread, but you would be hard pressed to find any vicious posts that I made about her looks. And actually, some of the nasty ones were funny. All I am saying is that I see these type of comments about "the chimp" on DU all the time. What is the difference? Political correctness?

I think this started out as a bitchy, kind of funny little thread that should have been in the Lounge and was blown way out of proportion. Interesting double standard here.

Sometimes putting the comparison in makes people realize what they are doing. Judging women by their appearance is a way of negating the actual person. It eliminates the possibility of judging the person by their actual qualities.

When people make "fun" little jokes about any woman that are sexist in nature (and believe me as a woman, this "joke" is sexist, even if it originated with a woman), they are putting down and devaluing all women, just as racist "jokes" devalue all blacks.

A bad suit is a bad suit. A bad gown is a bad gown. Period. And Pickles is fair game.

you have the honor of being the first person on my ignore list. Congratulations and goodbye.

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Laura is not blind, nor is she heading that way as far as I know. Those who are blind are not being laughed at for their sense of fashion. Laura has the full compliment of her senses, except that she is lacking in her little grey cells, I think.

I'm intending this as an attempt to find some common ground.

Is it possible that the main problem is the ROLE of the "First Lady"? If someone takes on this "traditional women's role" and doesn't use it to try (hard) to advance the welfare of the disadvantaged or something else that has depth and substantial value, are they "fair game" for criticism on the basis of poor fashion choices, i.e., a traditional women's role? If so, that might explain why we would not criticize Eleanor Roosevelt or Hillary Clinton or Betty Ford, but might be more critical of Laura Bush. It might explain why we would criticize a First Lady in a different way from what might be appropriate for a President.

I keep going back and forth, but thought I would toss out this thought for consideration.

Let me be clear. I do not agree with of all of the comments in this thread. But I have seen similar threads on DU before without all the flaming. I don't feel that my comments were sexist. My only statement on La Bush was that I think she needs gay American designers (and fewer acquaintances with antlers).

My other comments were that I thought the initial reactions to this thread were overblown. I am in no way defending sexist remarks about women. I seem to remember some pretty scathing comments about Nancy Reagan and her designer outfits from the left. I saw this as no different. In reading some of the later comments, I would agree that some of the referrences to body parts are over the top. I just didn't think that the thread initially rose to the level of flamebait.

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what petty and nasty comments I posted?

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I think telling someone to "grow up" is far more petty and nasty than what I have said here.

The president is there (in theory--stay the flamethrowers) to represent all of the American people. The first lady represents no one and is just as much an item of scenery as that painting on the wall. The first lady's only purpose at these state functions is to provide a humanizing touch on whichever stupid white man happens to be in the oval office at the time. Nothing more. She's not there to represent anyone.

If we had a first man, would you expect him to represent the men of the USA by his choice in wardrobe? Or would you look for intelligence, actions, support of his spouse, and ethical behavior?

I find it outrageous to say that the best way to represent the women of the US is by having great fashion sense.

What utter bunk. Why don't we just select the first spouse on some pimp ass NBC reality show?

"Marry my President"

I think that this whole thread is ridiculous. I could care less what she wears or look like. I know that the person who started this thread is female, but why is that everyone is always so concerned about women's appearance? This might even be a reason that more women don't run for office.

and make fun of how stupid he looks, but god help us if we make fun of the First Lady. Sorry, I don't get the double standard.

the putative "leader of the free world", and substantively, the most powerful person on the planet.

When the Freepers were (were? they still do) denigrate Hillary for equally juvenile reasons, do we not object? THERE is the 'double standard.'

shame on adolescent behavior that lowers us to the level of the limbaughs who cruelly referred to chelsea clinton as a dog-faced girl.
we are supposed to be better than that.

her physical appearance is just that, her physical appearance (except for the eye-lift, which she chose to have done by an obviously poorly trained surgeon...she should have fixed while she's in the DC area...there are lots of very good plastic surgeons here...she probably would look better around her eyes if she had simply accepted her 'physical appearance' or hired a good surgeon...the bush* family surrounds themselves with total incompentents)...even on Will Pitt's post #43, he separated 'physical appearance' from 'bad dress', because it really is TWO distinct things...These DU posts are more about 'BAD DRESS' than 'physical appearance' and the need to help a woman select proper undergarments...and training laura in the fundamentals or make-up (or forget the training and just have someone do it for her, which would also work)..

what is being 'attacked' is the manner in which she dresses, which is very different from attacking someone because their face is deformed or their body is abnormal....

laura's dress reflects lack of training....she desparately needs someone to take her aside and train her how to support her sagging breasts and style her makeup and her accessories and her dress...

here is the outfit she wore in France last year....it hurts your eyes, insults the American fashion industry, and tells the world that Americans are just trash people (imagine how shocking such garments are to the French!!!)....laura could do better...wearing proper support undergarments is certainly the right thing to do

and to bring it to laura's attention is really doing her a favor IMO...




Hillary looked frumpy when she first arrived at the White House, but very quickly she took advantage of knowledgable people and revised her fashions, her hair and her make-up and looked great, and is truly dressed for success as the Senator of New York....Jackie Kennedy always looked great, even when much older than laura and with GOOD undergarment support....there are obligations as the First Lady and laura is representing America on the world stage...she needs training to improve her dress, her make-up, her hair, her accessories, and her undergarments...only caring, loving people would offer such advice as here on DU...

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first you should know that when you are her age (I am very close to it), that when you go braless, that is how 90% of women look - you lose the perkiness! Now granted, IF I had the money that is available to her, I would do something different than her, but, look at her background!

Also, remember who her MIL is - the biggest frump bit@h of all! Babs!

I think that is rather petty and immature. That is something that my evil mother-in-law does to me. Who cares what she wears? Maybe, she has more important things to worry about. I would if that was my husband.

because it helps pull the wrinkles out of her face.

She looks frumpy, he looks stupid. What a terrible combination! Together they are frumpid.

she has the curtains hanging in her closet for the next appearance.She has been gathering curtains from all over the world just so that she can wrap herself in them and declare that American designers are her choice. I wonder, if that is the case, that maybe Woolworth, or JC Penny Housewares are her "designers" Just hang in there. It is certainly coming soon.

They are very handy with hanging drapes!

B-)

She's short, kinda dumpy, wears cheap undergarments. A top of the line designer should be able to make her look, in the words of our fearless leader, "fabulous." Her suits all seem to be the same, except for the one made of astroturf. Does anyone remember her flesh-colored evening "gown" with the turquoise sash? I had to lie down with a cool cloth over my eyes after that one.

on the international stage...she has a responsibility to dress the role, and stop looking like some tasteless bumpkin deliberately allowing her sagging breasts to droop down to her waist...and displaying a taste for dresses that must shock the international community....sad too...really sad...

there are plenty of American dress designers that would be thrilled to dress Laura up FOR FREE...Nancy Reaguns took full advantage of that...there are also plenty of people that will help her pick out her attire, jewelry, accessories, hair style, and make-up for each occasion....

it is really the arrogance of the whole bush* clan, who think they know it all and surround themselves with incompetents due to their own ignorance of the world around them...

the First Lady represents America as much as bush* does, and laura-'lump-in-the-bed'-bush could do so much better with even a little effort, or even just admitting that she needs help would be a great improvement...

lots of this could be the Zoloft, but there are many occasions where the stupid smile is inappropriate...a clone...it's just an empty clone...drugged out to the max, like rush and the others...

I finally made myself go this weekend and it is VERY difficult to find anything that isn't intended for Britney and Christina.

no different from what we have condemned Limbaugh for...attacking the appearance of a putatively innocent person. She is clearly guilty of bad judgment in accepting a marriage proposal but how she looks is how she looks. And criticism of that is unnecessary and very freeperlike.

Save your venom for the person who fucked up the country and probably the world, not his spouse.

they are attacking her on her wardrobe and saggy boobs. Both of which she has total control over. Get a bra and a better designer.

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I don't need you to tell me I am fucking nuts, my mother tells me that all the time. If I had food in my teeth or shoes that looked stupid with my pants, I would hope that my friends or family would tell me. Further, I wouldn't be insulted by it either. I find it ironic that you are pissed off about the personal attacks and then turn around and engage in personal attacks.

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Actually, I ran out of stupid pills yesterday. I can't get my prescription filled until tomorrow. Thanks

and I do not believe in any god!

Ugh, come on---both of you are simply male, right brained, unable to discern fashion, softies. This much is obvious:--Laura wears curtains! Your first lady wears curtains! How would you feel if your mother wore curtains?!!!

Face it--she wears curtains!!! and upholstry as well as tablecloths!!! Haven't you noticed? Probably not. But that is OK and forgiveable because we are posting on DU here.

We women know that this first lady wannabe,helmut headed Laura is really , really suffering from a severe case of lack of conjugal love and lack of the ability to express her womanhood in her relationship with George, who mostly ignores her for his own desire to take center stage. This is most evident and most expressed in her choice of clothing and in her choice of how she presents herself to the world as the wife of the most powerful man in the world, the president of the US. She chooses to look like a frump.

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then she has the responsibility to do it with grace. Who am I? I am at least an intelligent woman who understands that if one is in the limelight and if one is especially in the limelight as representing the American woman, as Laura is, then one had better be aware, be sharp, and be an inspiration--Laura is not any of that and it shows in the clothing she chooses to wear. It is definately dull and it is definately a poor representation of "American designers" With today's technology,ie digital photography, Laura could make an effort to see that her sagging breasts are indeed reaching her waistline as she ages, and she could make at least a small effort to look a littl more smart and a little less dumpy and frumpy-- she simply does not appear to care how she looks. She is, indeed, a frump and she does, indeed, seem not to care. That needs to be emphasized. She does not care, folks. Since she represent American women, I think she owes me more than that.

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I don't care if Laura's breasts sag. I don't care if she wears curtains. My breasts do not sag. I do not wear curtains. But if she wants to, that's her choice. I'll take her sag and her curtains over that nutcase Nancy Reagan or pathetic Jackie Kennedy any damn day.

only because they are men, Here is my opinion as a woman. Your comments about pickles appearance are some of the most sexist crap I have ever seen, INCLUDING comments at FR.

An ability to judge fashion as the BEST criteria to judge a woman, any woman, and most especially one that you believe should be a role model for american women is so blatently offensive, so unbelievably ignorant of all the effort women have been making for decades in this country to be judged by something other than our ability to be an ornament, that I can't come anywhere close to expressing the fury that I am feeling at this moment!

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It doesn't matter what political persuasion she is, this is a very sexist comment. Would you have put down Golda Meir, Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton for looking like frumps? None of them were great beauties. How about Hillary Clinton? The freeps loved to put her appearance down at first, and we reacted then as we should, with outrage at judging a woman for her appearance and dress.

Dislike pickles and make fun of her for her vapid speech, her vacant stare, her politics, her obnoxious choice in partner, but for Goddesses sake don't put her down for not being a fashion plate. It may be fun and a good cheap thrill, but you are setting the cause of all women back by making this kind of petty remark. :grr:

Bill Clinton and his weight. And here on DU "Chimpy" is regularly ridiculed for his appearance. What is the difference? I really don't see any venomous attacks in this thread. Just some comments on a bad dress and lack of undergarments. My God people, let's not blow this out of proportion.

As I said, I wonder if these kind of comments discourage women from running for office.

she certainly does not have what it takes to be a politician or in the public eye at all. I think it is demeaning to women to think that comments on their fashion style would be enough to keep them from running for office. Sorry, I guess the women I know are a lot tougher than that.

As far as fashion goes, men get to wear traditional suits. They don't have to worry about fashion sense since everyone wears the same thing. Women seem to be insulted upon their appearance more than men. How a woman looks is always an issue. For men, it is not an issue. If a woman has any insecurity about her appearance, especially if she really is below average in attractiveness, she is not going to subject herself to that. She shouldn't have to though.

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I have seen her looking way worse. This is an improvement.

She's no paragon of style and I don't care for her personal politics, but she looks quite presentable, I believe....Is there something wrong with me?...

it makes her look 25 pounds heavier. If the beading were only from the shoulders to her waist area (her REAL waist area), and the sleeves and skirt were plain, then this gown would look a lot more flattering.


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for it. It looks like a beaded potato sack on her. Middle aged women really can't wear that clingy style without some serious girdling. She should really avoid that style altogether. She needs someone to dress her and find styles that are flattering to her with the right underpinnings.

As first lady and being before the cameras, she really can't look like she picked something off the rack in the thrift shop.

and the image it projects to the public.

There's nothing wrong with criticizing that. And being mature in years and physique is all the more reason why a professional effort should be made to find Laura's most appropriate and styles and colors.


rocknation

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That Doofus beside her doesn't look so good, though.


These are still my favorite of her ensembles, though:

the tone of some who have posted here about designers, JC Penney clothes, etc. - you are the type that make school uniforms be a good thing! It equalizes! You probably were like those who made fun of girls in school who weren't rich enough or smart enough to dress as fashionably as you.

I would hate to think of what you might say about me and how I dress! I am from the midwest, not New York. I was from a family whose parents lived in the depression (in other words, they no fashion sense, and were cheap). It takes me ages to shop to find something which may look good on me, but I don't have the knack or the money to have somebody help me.

Now I know Laura has that available to her (money and people to help her), but my goodness, you act as snobby as Repukes, as if fashion is most important in representing the American woman.

Hillary did NOT dress well many times (she has done better as the years pass), BUT she is who I want to represent me, an American woman - somebody smart, out-spoken, teaches her daughter to be independent and smart, classy (she would not break out in a conversation about Laura's fashion), compassionate, etc.

No one made her marry Georgie Boy and no one made her stay with him during all those years of his drug and alcohol abusing. She has lived the life of privilage and has literally gotten away with murder.

Yes, we are being catty and petty, girls (hum, grown women) can be that way. Pickles isn't just anybody, she is the First Lady and when she travels abroad she is representing our country. She is a woman who was blessed with fairly decent looks, the least she can do is dress her best. It's not like she can't afford it or is too busy working on anything worthwhile.

I see our beloved Catwoman posting funny Pics of Pickles all the time and never get blasted for it...Now there wouldn't be favortisim going on here, would there??

PS: Hey Will...when did you become Carlos...;-)

:)

I mean, LOOK at this outfit!



Soooooo 18th century!

very funny.

But I find it shallow and hypocritical when "progressives" attack a woman for having saggy breasts and committing the crime of what they perceive as "frumpiness".

There are plenty of character issues to attack her on.

What is really awful, is that this thread is at DU.

I'm mainly a lurker here, but I have to post how insane I think these insults are. Hate Mrs. Bush for her beliefs or her choice of husband, but not her fashion. I'm stunned that people care what she's wearing. I'm humilated that she and her husband represent our country, but not because she isn't pretty enough. I don't even think she looks bad. She's a middle age woman, not a twenty-something model.

This thread is as useful as a Freeper thread making fun of how Chelsea Clinton or Janet Reno looked. :mad:

It would be a shoe-in. What's even more awful to me is that it was started by a woman. I'm going to bed. I hope I can sleep.

*hangs head with the utter shame that this thread appears on DU*

I'm LMAO still.

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I think the Queen Mum II must be sending Pickles her hand-me-downs!

gee that was low, u couldn't maybe attack her policies or causes she supports could you? I mean shouldn't that be your beef with the first lady? not her wardrobe? or are you a junior high school bully who sees this as a major life altering issue?

I have no compassion for the Laura who calls herself a first lady. She got there in the same way that her Bushy did. I do think she could improve her looks--but she does not seem to care about it. She really is as much an embarrassment as George. I do not feel sorry for this phoney Stepford wife. She has the means and the opportunity to make it better--but she chooses to continue on with her original tablecloth shawls and her curtains as dresses fashion sense.

This thread, however, has turned into a bashing of other Du people simply because they choose to criticize the phoney first lady's dumpy, frumpy manner of dress . That is the real interesting part, imo. It has been quite amusing--Laura the phoney, using our money to go on vacations in Europe wearing curtains and tablecloths!! Sigh--look you people--Laura is a frumpy dumpy dresser--you should try to help her instead of attacking me. But carry on--I understand it is hard for you to criticize a dumb woman who is married to a dumb man who is singel handedly destroying our country. NOt fair, I know. But, nevertheless, I personally will demand of her that she shape up if she wants to represent me. Otherwise, she will meet with my criticism when she cannot find a foundation garment that will hold her sagging breasts up to a normal position. And, further, Bush with his cod piece as he trotted about the USS Lincoln--anybody have much to say about that uplifting? I mean, is that not the same as trying to uplift sagging breasts?-Should she not try at least for the same high standards?

I know no one here including myself is a fan of this President or Administration I am still hoping that Sen. Hillary Clinton will send the Bush's back to Texas in 2004 she is the only Democrat who could. Iam not aware of any thing the First Lady as said or did to bring on this kind of attack.

I mean I think if she is representing America she should certainly have the best clothes.Which form the picture it is questionable if she is wearing the best. I beleive First Lady Kennedy
had many European outfits so I do not understand why this First Lady has to use only American Designers. Especially when she is visting other nations.

It would seem it would ease things with Europe if they saw her wearing some of their designs. well anyway I would not have picked that dress if I was her Fashion Consultant or designer but that is the person who really deserves the blame.

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