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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:17 PM
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The DP Country Club - of which the US is a proud member
Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 09:18 PM by proud2Blib


Key:

* Blue: Abolished for all crimes
* Green: Abolished, except for crimes committed under certain circumstances (such as crimes committed in time of war)
* Orange: Abolished in practice
* Red: Legal form of punishment

The twelve countries with the most executions in 2004:
1 Kuwait
2 China
3 Iran
4 Singapore
5 Saudi Arabia
6 Vietnam
7 Belarus
8 Yemen
9 United States
10 Pakistan
11 Egypt
12 Bangladesh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty#Around_the_present_world

As an American, I don't want to be in the same club as China or Singapore. Maybe some of you do.
Flame away

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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:19 PM
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1. What the hell is going on in Kuwait and Singapore?
Thses are small, small countries! They must be blanking shoplifters and tax cheats!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:25 PM
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8. And drug users
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:42 PM
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18. Singapore (where I lived for a while), has been run by
a fascistic oligarchy for 50 years, which took power during their national struggle (when they were allied with what is now Malaysia) to 1) throw off the yoke of colonialism and 2) avoid falling to a communist insurgency. They had no qualms about doling out summary executions to anyone thought to be a Commie, and they seem to have carried that over into their peacetime laws. The government really believes that anything less harsh would be the death of their civilization. They have the populace browbeaten into compliance: young Singaporeans don't dare get involved in politics because it would permanently ruin their careers (being an opposition politician is effectively illegal), and quite possibly get them thrown in prison.

You don't want to go into a Singaporean prison.

Kuwait is another matter. I haven't read a lot about it, but from when I worked there in the early 90s and just recently, I think it's a hangover from their harsh desert heritage (Bedouins without a pot to piss in, prior to the discovery of oil), and perhaps because Kuwaiti society is highly stratified, with citizens substantially outnumbered by guest workers, transients, and expats, so they reserve the right to hand out the ultimate punishment from a position of weakness.

Just guessing on that one though.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:31 PM
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21. Singapore likes to execute drug couriers...
They executed a 25-year-old Australian of Vietnamese descent last week over four pounds of heroin.
Amnesty International estimates they've killed 400 or so people since 1990, most of them on drug charges.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:35 PM
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22. Yeah, like most of Asia, the government is intensely antidrug.
Another reaction to their position in colonialist times? Opium shoved down Chinese throats still rankles, even in Asian societies that are only partly ethnic Chinese.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:29 PM
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19. That list isn't in rank order!
China is the undisputed champion with something like 3500 last year.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:50 PM
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25. Executions per 100 million residents
Click on the link
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:20 PM
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2. Reasonable people can disagree, of course . . .
But prior to Bush, the death penalty was the single factor that made me ashamed to admit being an American.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:21 PM
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4. I would agree with that statement.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:20 PM
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3. Actually, by your key, the U.S. should be green on that map.
We only use the death penalty "for crimes committed under certain circumstances".
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:22 PM
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6. Well it's Wikipedia - LOL
But I understand why the US isn't green. We use the DP in times other than war.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:28 PM
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9. True...
I just saw the key saying "(such as in times of war)" and didn't take that to be exclusive to war...but I understand what you're saying.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:30 PM
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11. You can look at it as a war on justice
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:35 PM
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31. "certain circumstances" = not rich enough for a good lawyer?
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:21 PM
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5. Or Saudi Arabia.
Not a nice regime.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:24 PM
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7. Isn't it great that we are just like them?
I wonder if we will eventually have a Chop Chop Square.

Public beheadings - that's some entertainment.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:31 PM
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13. We have to relieve women of their drivers' licenses first.
One step at a time.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:33 PM
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14. That would be fine with me
if it means I get a chauffeur.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:36 PM
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15. Are you hiring?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:37 PM
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16. If the govt takes my license away, the govt can pay for the chauffeur
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:41 PM
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17. In one respect, Saudi Arabia is even ahead of us progressively speaking.
In Saudi Arabia, a judge will commute the death penalty if the family of the victim publically forgives the murderer. I'm not sure, but I think the murderer is then allowed to go free, rather than serving a prison sentence.

Can you even imagine that happening over here? The bloodlust of our 'enlightened' populace would never allow it.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:43 PM
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23. A return to tribalism is progressive???!!!
Allowing the family of the victim to determine justice is nothing but tribalism. To hell with that.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:15 PM
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29. Well, okay......
I hadn't looked at it that way;

I still think allowing the family to commute a sentence of death is progressive.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:29 PM
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10. I wonder...how many of the 11 are governments...
that we had a hand in bringing to power?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:30 PM
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12. Wow good question
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:31 PM
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20. The U.S. knows better.
It's not just the Death Penalty.

On other issues like universal health care, the Iraqi invasion, and adopting UN standards to curb climate change, the U.S. boldly cuts against the grain of the rest of the pinko-commie Western world.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:48 PM
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24. You're right
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:56 PM
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26. Looks like we're grouped with the developing world!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:04 PM
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27. Yeah how about that peer group?
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:09 PM
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28. I guess we have more in common with the mideast than we thought!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:22 AM
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30. Developing into what?
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