Yesterday in a some what surprising move, Bush had a Q & A session with the audience who attended his "terror" speech.
As one can tell the question was emphasizing on a total killed number (not just civilians).
Here's Bush's answer:
In a kind of a nonchalant way, he throws out the 30k number. The interesting things is that he refereed to them as "citizens".
This number is in line with the The IRAQ BODY COUNT Database count:
However, Bush didn't include the "insurgent" body count. This past June a report indicated that a US General stated that 50,000 Iraqi insurgents have been killed our caught in just a 7 month period.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20050726-121818-8711r.htm50,000 Iraqi insurgents dead, caught
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
July 26, 2005
U.S. and Iraqi forces have killed or arrested more than 50,000 Iraqi insurgents in the past seven months, a former top general who has headed repeated Pentagon assessment missions to Iraq said yesterday.
Gen. Jack Keane, a former deputy chief of staff for the Army, also said the United States has a good picture of the leadership of the vicious insurgency but less of an idea about its mid- and lower-level ranks.
"We know who they are," he told a lunch gathering sponsored by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He said the eight to 10 leaders "occasionally meet -- we've recorded that -- not just in Iraq, but in Jordan and Syria."
Gen. Keane's remarks provided a rare insight into the extent of U.S.-led operations against an insurgency that has been responsible for hundreds of deaths in the past few weeks alone.
As usual Bush didn't give a complete answer, which of course is not too surprising. The sad reality is, we may never know what the true numbers are, however the potential upper bound figures are very scary.