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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:37 AM
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The truth behind: " I would say 30,000, more or less, have died"
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 11:50 AM by sabra
Yesterday in a some what surprising move, Bush had a Q & A session with the audience who attended his "terror" speech.



http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768674451

BUSH: Thank you. Sit down, please.

I've got a little extra time on my hands, so I thought I might answer some questions.

QUESTION: Since the inception of the Iraq war, I'd like to know the approximate total of the Iraqis who have been killed. And by Iraqis, I include civilians, military, police, insurgents, translators...



As one can tell the question was emphasizing on a total killed number (not just civilians).

Here's Bush's answer:


http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768674451

BUSH: How many Iraqi citizens have died in this war? I would say 30,000, more or less, have died as a result of the initial incursion and the ongoing violence against Iraqis.

We've lost about 2,140 of our own troops in Iraq.



In a kind of a nonchalant way, he throws out the 30k number. The interesting things is that he refereed to them as "citizens".

This number is in line with the The IRAQ BODY COUNT Database count:


http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/

Reported Minimum 27383
Reported Maximum 30892



However, Bush didn't include the "insurgent" body count. This past June a report indicated that a US General stated that 50,000 Iraqi insurgents have been killed our caught in just a 7 month period.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20050726-121818-8711r.htm

50,000 Iraqi insurgents dead, caught

THE WASHINGTON TIMES
July 26, 2005


U.S. and Iraqi forces have killed or arrested more than 50,000 Iraqi insurgents in the past seven months, a former top general who has headed repeated Pentagon assessment missions to Iraq said yesterday.

Gen. Jack Keane, a former deputy chief of staff for the Army, also said the United States has a good picture of the leadership of the vicious insurgency but less of an idea about its mid- and lower-level ranks.

"We know who they are," he told a lunch gathering sponsored by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He said the eight to 10 leaders "occasionally meet -- we've recorded that -- not just in Iraq, but in Jordan and Syria."

Gen. Keane's remarks provided a rare insight into the extent of U.S.-led operations against an insurgency that has been responsible for hundreds of deaths in the past few weeks alone.



As usual Bush didn't give a complete answer, which of course is not too surprising. The sad reality is, we may never know what the true numbers are, however the potential upper bound figures are very scary.



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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:40 AM
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1. Dubyas answers are never complete or
truthful.........hes an asshole
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:48 AM
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2. Creepy, that he thinks this is no big deal.
Ignore for the moment that the real figure is much higher. 30K civilians is 10x higher than the number of civilians killed on 9/11. Yet he clearly doesn't think that poses any ethical or practical problems.

Yet more evidence that he's a sociopath.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:51 AM
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3. indeed. he said almost like a stock trader would refer to the figure
of buying 30k shares of IBM.
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