remember the Vietnam babies our troops left behind?

well, an article over at www.bartcop.com has me thinking that there are going to be Iraq babies left behind too.

With a Muslim theocracy taking effect, Sharia law will mean that those women will end up stoned or beheaded. No babies to come back at you from that.

would Iraqis?

(maybe the raped Iraqi women are becoming suicide bombers?)

Iraq was one of the few secular governments in that area of the world. WAS!! It is not anymore, thanks to our fearless leader. The results of this election in Iraq have sent women to the same position they occupy in Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Yet Bush triumps this like it's so glorious. :mad:

It's human nature and history - happens every time two or more groups have a war.

And since when did death and/or social mores ever curtail love?

but does stop a baby being born when you behead the woman carrying it. And love is not going to stop that.

It's common enough here in socially taboo situations such as office sex, incest, interracial or inter-religious conflicts, adultery, and more. Why should it be any less common when you're surrounded by people from another culture? You don't think there's any fascination there? And the high-adrenalin, you-may-die-tomorrow circumstances of war affect people very strongly.

I don't think you understand them very well. They don't let women out of the house without a male escort. If a man visits the house, the women retreat to a different room. They kill women who bring "disgrace" on the family. If a woman gets raped - they kill the woman. That is not at all like an American office.

but this was a secular nation. Women were educated, they became doctors. lawyers, whatever. They didn't dress in Muslim garb, they drove...they were certainly out alone.
Iraq wasn't under Islamic rule.

Until NOW. And now is when those illicit relationships will be showing up. Under Islamic law, a woman can be killed if it is even SUSPECTED that she had any dealings with a man outside her family, let alone an 'infidel'.

Iran was at one time a secular nation. Take a look at what's happened there since Islamic law became the government. THAT'S what's in store for Iraq.

Islamic rule now but from the time we got there women not in Islamic garb started getting evil stares at the least. I don't know that they have all given into it yet.

I know there are other drawbacks to Islamic rule but one thing we know for sure is that life will be much worse for 50+% of the population. Freedom? Women are losing it and that is barely mentioned.

that a taboo will definitely sweeten the prize, regardless of the consequences.

And speaking of the American office, it wasn't so long ago that women weren't even allowed in the American office. They weren't allowed in med school. Nor were they allowed to study "masculine" subjects like math and chemistry. They weren't allowed to show their ankles for fear of being labeled a "loose" woman. They had to wear unhealthy, breath-constricting corsets and high heels that threw off their natural spinal curvature. Women also had to obey their husbands. (I think the Mormons still require this, else they won't call their wives to Heaven when the time comes.) Women had to sit with their kness together at all times and could not wear pants. And if a woman gets raped, she better be Mother Teresa, because they will crucify her in court, denigrating her character and mores. Prostitutes, a largely female-dominated profession, still get no health coverage or workers benefits or any protection from being arrested (while their johns go free).

I could go on.

when you rape a woman?

No, I'm not discounting the rape and other atrocities of war. This is a well-known method of ethnic cleansing. However, there were and still are men and women out there who were torn away from their new families once the military found out.

I don't think I left any babies behind, but not impossible. Short term relationships with bar girls wasn't love. Even back then I knew the difference.

And in an Islamic country, contact between GIs and their women are going to be few and far between. Many, if not most, of them still have the parents arrange the marriage. GIs simply will not have the opportunity to get "friendly" with an Iraqi woman. And somebody has to speak the other's language.

In Vietnam, the women did what they pleased, and there was a lot of money to be made in being a bar girl. So the prettier ones learned some English and worked in bars. They were not postitutes, although they were close to it. A bar girl still had to like you before they would bed you. Often the relationship would include buying stuff for her at the PX that she would pay you for, but that she would sell on the black market. After I returned from VN, I was watching a senate hearing and some senator was asking why GIs were buying so much "Revlon" hair spray. We bought tons of the stuff. A can only cost a few cents, and a present of a can would make your B-girl happy enough with you for you both to have a happy night.

Of course, there were also loads of prostitutes available too. In April 1965, the price of basic service from a basic whore was 75 cents.

But Vietnam was NOT a rigid Islamic country, where they still practice honor killings of women.

sheesh

How did you get that?

not exactly a love fest over there.

Even the Angel of Death didn't get all the first-born sons. :shrug: