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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 08:58 PM
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Do you have any conservative views?
The only thing I am conservative on is holding spending in check. Other than that I am pure 100% liberal.

I also eat meat and don't have a problem with hunting for wildlife management but would not hunt myself. I don't think these are Republican or Democratic issues though.

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bammertheblue Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:02 PM
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1. Hunting maybe
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 09:02 PM by bammertheblue
I think hunting is just fine as long as you are not :
1) acting like a damn fool (drinking, not wearing orange, etc.)
2) shooting endangered 'nanimals

Also, the idea of eating what you kill rather than making a big ugly trophy of it is something I'm down with.
I eat meat too, rarely, (mostly fish) but I don't think that's a Dem v. Rep. issue either.

Oh, and I guess I am all for reducing taxes, but I would rather pay a little more so everybody can have food and a place to sleep (as opposed to buying more bombs and shit).

Sorry, a little incoherent.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:05 PM
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2. oh lots
I believe we should conserve the environment
I believe we should conserve clean water standards, shared resources and the separation of church and state
I believe we should conserve wildlife diversity and rare species

you get the message I'm sure. Social Conservatism is fake conservatisml, conserving an Ozzie and Harriet world that never existed. Even the phrase is stolen property.

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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:06 PM
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36. Amen
I heard someone (I believe it was Nixon's secretary of the Interior) say recently, "Conservation is conservative". I couldn't agree more.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:07 PM
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3. Illegal immigrants - Mostly because after 9-11
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:08 PM
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4. Balancing the damn budget
But that doesn't seem like a conservative view anymore.

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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:33 PM
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19. It never was.
It's been nearly 50 years since a GOP President signed off on a balanced budget. Conservatives are too obsessed with tax cuts for the rich to worry about long-term economic stability.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:09 PM
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5. I don't know what views are conservative any more.
Honestly.

But on the spectrum of these things:

I tend to be more fiscallly conservative than many people I know
I tend to be more anti union than many people I know
I tend to be less entitlement supportive than many people I know

But I am much more PRO these things than the conservatives I know of.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:31 PM
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18. you said it all. I agree.
Perhaps I am conservative in certain things, like how we - the USA uses its military and economic power. or how we allow corporations to take decision making away from government authorities. Remember, the EPA was a Nixon creation. Even Reagan, for all his faults did not dare to destroy it like the Bushistas are doing. In fact, GHWBush actually stengthened a few parts of it. (shock of shocks - but even he was a much better president than his son)


I am conservative about how much power we give our military. How much input we give the intel agencies into policy. How much decision-making we give religious groups in an attack of the separation of church and state. About how we treat our poor and downtrodden. AND to be truly conservative about the poor and downtrodden, we first do no harm. We protect, support and find solutions.

Totally unlike what the Bushistas are doing.

So, in some ways, I am conservative.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:09 PM
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6. Yeah. Immigration laws ought to be tightened up and enforced.
Also, I'm against gun control.

And I think most forms of "PC" are stupid and I like porn.


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bammertheblue Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:38 PM
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26. oh yea
I forgot porn! haha!
And I think getting all worked up about violent video games and lyrics is ridiculous...does that count?
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:09 PM
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7. I have a couple, but I lie down and they go away for awhile. n/t
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:10 PM
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8. Most liberals I know are personally quite conservative
We tend to try to use resources correctly and with less impact on the environment. We tend to respect
other peoples' boundaries. In fact, I think the great dividing factor between liberals and conservatives might be that liberals are inherently conservative and a conservative is out of control
by nature and thus wants the legal system to moderate his behavior. It's amazing to me how many
conservatives have very scary, strange preoccupations and pasts.

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DonQuijote Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:15 PM
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14. I dont know about conservative views...
but when democrats focus on crap like this instead of the crimes commited by the current administration, I feel compelled to define myself simply as an antifacist.



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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:18 PM
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15. Games like Grand Theft Auto, should be restricted to children
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 09:19 PM by Raydawg1234
But this can only truly be accomplished by parents.


Maybe Congress should enact the Good Parenting Act! :sarcasm:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:38 PM
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25. When I someday hopefully become a parent
it'd be my job to parent what the kids are playing, watching, listening to etc. I don't want someone else doing my job because each person has a different way of parenting and different standards and stuff.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:12 PM
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9. Cutting taxes...by cutting the "defense" budget.
Tho' I doubt most "conservatives" would embrace that idea.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:13 PM
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10. Probably not.
But I agree with you.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:14 PM
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11. Fiscally conservative - I don' t spend what I ain't got.
:kick:
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:35 PM
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22. That's called being a Fiscal Liberal.
Conservatives has way too poor a track record to lay claim to being champions of fiscal responsibility.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:48 PM
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30. Fiscally Responsible is what it should be called.
Fiscally conservative seems like an oxymoron after Bush.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:00 AM
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37. True, true - on both counts.
:evilfrown:
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:14 PM
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12. No, I have my views - albeit some might be considered "conservative".
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 09:15 PM by MazeRat7
It really all depends on context now doesn't it ?

MZr7
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:15 PM
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13. Gun laws
I think most gun laws should be made locally, as possessing a gun in Big Horn County Montana is different than possessing it in Oakland.

Against deficit spending, which as previously noted isn't a popular conservative thing these days.

I like Nixon's environmental accomplishments.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:23 PM
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16. I don't know if it could be considered "conservative views"
but I'm very concerned about the smut that young, impressionable children and teens are exposed to.

I've felt that way for many years, so it's not because I'm an old fuddy-duddy.




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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:24 PM
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17.  I dont legislate my opinion but
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 09:25 PM by DanCa
I believe that people have the right to have guns in thier houses - still on the fence about out on about.

I dont believe in Flag burning.

Fiscal responsibility imo is not liberal or conservative its common sense.

I supported the afgahinstan war until chimp fracked it up and i took him at face value on iraq (I am so sorry that i did . That horrible first week proved to me that chimpy lied when the iraq army didn't fire back )

I dont believe in red blue buisness - i do believe in taking the money that i saved however and donating it directly to blue causes and democratic political campaigns.

And I want to vent that I dont want to make life and death decisions for anyone else. Wether it's abortion, Terry Schiavo, and Tookie, may they rest in peace, I want to stay out of the decision making process. I am not simply qualifed to judge life and death situaitons for other people.


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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:34 PM
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20. Well I've taken a lot of heat for supporting the death penalty
But I'm unapologetic. Some crimes warrant death, including white collar corporate crime.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:36 PM
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23. Your opinion is cool with me :D
Again I am mostly a neutral (except maybe crimes where kids get killed) but i respect your right to have a different point of view.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:35 PM
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21. Nah not really
Where it concerns media like movies, tv and music I do like having ratings and parental warnings. Since I want kids someday I want to monitor what they're watching and listening to while they're young. I don't want my someday (hopefully) eleven year old daughter listening to Britney Spears or some hardcore rap music with tons of violence and sex in it.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:37 PM
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24. DP. I dont think the death penalty is immoral, I just think its use is
flawed.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:38 PM
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27. I believe in the right to be left the fuck alone
as long as you're not stepping on anyone else's toes. I believe that power devolves from the people, not from corporations or the government. I believe in one man, one vote, that all men are created equal, and that nation-building is not the natural province of our armed forces. I believe in practicing what we preach, especially concerning democracy, human rights and the rule of law.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:45 PM
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28. Balanced budget, illegal immigrants
The balanced budget is because I don't think the government should be in the red, because the burden ends up on workers. Illegal immigrants, for the reason it takes jobs from the citizens. I'm also a strict isolationist when it comes to foreign policy.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:46 PM
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29. Nope, just strong, unpopular opinions. - n/t
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Paranoid Pessimist Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:50 PM
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31. Quite a few.
I'm against gun control. I think we have to get the guns out of people's head; trying to regulate them only makes them forbidden fruit.

I am not entirely against the death penalty. I know anti death penalty crusaders who were willing to make an exception in the case of Richard Allen Davis, the guy who kidnapped Polly Klass. My problem with the death penalty is two fold: a lot of innocent people are ending up on death row, and I also think it lets some people off too easy. I'd rather go with lethal injection that life in prison without possibility of parole. I'm too pessimistic to be able to believe I'd ever get parole.

I worry about the Dictatorship of the Do Gooders, all the people who want to prohibit everything (such as smoking) that they think is bad for people. Persuasion, yes, but I don't like that kind of regulation.

I think I'm more of a leftist libertarian than a true liberal progressive.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:51 PM
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32. Is a balanced budget a conservative view?
That would be the closest I would come. But ... wait!!! ... didn't Clinton balance it and leave a surplus? So, to those who say they are fiscally conservative but otherwise liberal, I say bullshit! You don't have to be a con to balance the budget.
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:53 PM
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33. self deleted.
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 09:57 PM by triguy46

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:58 PM
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34. Here is one that has happened twice on the Republican side of
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 09:58 PM by Pirate Smile
my family -

I think if a couple is going to get married and then finds out they are pregnant, they should get married before the baby is born.

This has kind of cracked me up lately because nobody does it anymore. They wait until after they have the kid.

I also have a Republican BIL who lives in San Diego whose fiancee is Mexican but they put off getting married and had the baby in Mexico. Whaaat?

P.S. I'm only 36 so it isn't age.

P.S.S. I don't say anything or do anything. I just don't "get" it.

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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:04 PM
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35. Yep.
I definitely hold some views that are more associated with conservatism. For one thing, I agree with you on the spending issue. I think that we can cut taxes for everyone if we stop pissing tax money out the window. I believe that our national addiction to debt is the single greatest threat to our nation - even greater than terrorism. It's a conservative position, 100%, but Democrats have a history of supporting it to a far greater degree than the so-called conservatives in the Repugnican party.

I'm also somewhat less of a supporter of organized labor than most Democrats. I'm not anti-union, by any means, but my own personal experiences with unions, as a former union member, as someone who has seen what happens when union contracts get followed to the letter rather than to the spirit, and as someone who has had to deal with union members to get things done, have been uniformly negative. Add in the graft and corruption historically associated with unions (Hoffa, anyone?) and I really wouldn't shed any tears if every state in the union passed right-to-work laws.

I'm also more moderate on the issue of the private ownership of firearms than most Democrats, but then again, so is Howard Dean. However, I am perfectly willing to accept mandatory firearm registration and licensing, with training prerequisites for both.

I guess this means that while I am a committed Democrat, I'm not dogmatic. Fortunately, the Democratic Party truly is a "big tent", and is willing to tolerate a diversity of viewpoint in it's members.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:32 AM
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38. I'm REAL big on loyalty.
I don't think the Democrats should make people sign loyalty oaths or anything, but while there are many kinds of Democrats out there in this world, there are lots of people loitering in the Party and its various affiliated groups who clearly don't support this party or any of its objectives. Know what I mean?
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