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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:35 PM
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Conyers: An Intriguiging Story Under the Radar
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 09:36 PM by MelissaB

An Intriguiging Story Under the Radar


The LA Times reported this weekend on an interview with the former head of French counterintelligence, Alain Chouet, in which he provides a revealing timeline for the Bush Administration's internest in the Niger yellowcake issue. For some reason this story has not received much attention. Alain Chouet was asked to verify the authenticity of the Niger documents which indicated that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium from the African country to build nuclear weapons. After a thorough investigation, he emphatically rejected them as forgeries and discredited any suggestion that Iraq was purchasing uranium in Niger. Most intriguiging is Chouet's claim that the U.S. was touting these forged documents before 9/11. Chouet's December 1st interview in the Italian newspaper, La Repubblica, offers a few more specifics than the L.A. Times piece and thanks to the Booman Tribune we have a translation:

“Early in the summer 2001, the CIA passed us a piece of information both general and alarming. ‘Iraq’ – Langley warned – ‘is apparently trying to purchase uranium from an African country’...

I rolled up my sleeves. I instructed my men to get to work in Africa. In Niger, obviously, but also in Namibia (you will soon understand why). The outcome was entirely negative...

Five of our best men were part of the team. With a deep knowledge of Niger and of all the issues connected to yellowcake. My men stayed in Africa for a couple of weeks and, once back, they told me a very simple thing: ‘the American information on uranium is all bulls--t’. When I read their report, I did not doubt their work nor, if you let me say so, my mind. I know Niger well but I can say that I have known Baghdad and Saddam even better. And I know that if Saddam had wanted to purchase yellowcake (which he already owned in great quantities) from Niger he would have never asked an Ambassador to open negotiations. Saddam did not trust anybody in his Foreign Office. He certainly didn’t trust his ambassadors around the world. For such a task he would have sent one of his sons. On the other hand, we knew the reason of the journey of Iraqi Ambassador to the Holy See, Wissam Al Zahawie. He had to identify an African country ready to accept the storage of the regime’s hazardous toxic waste, in exchange for money. In fact Namibia, which had been used as a dumping ground by Iraq, had told Baghdad they couldn’t go on contaminating their soil. I told the CIA the results of our mission in Niger. The Americans seemed very disappointed for what they had to hear. I understood then the reasons for their frustration and I understood them even better when the CIA, not content with the result, at the end of June 2002, sent us a part of the documents of the Niger dossier, as if they wanted to underline the reasons for their insistence.

Chouet's account includes further insights on Italy's handling of the forgeries, and suggests that a lot more was known about the documents and their forgers than the U.S. and Italian intelligence agencies would like to reveal.



Blogged by JC on 12.13.05 @ 07:01 PM ET



Link: http://www.conyersblog.us/
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:46 PM
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1. Most intriguiging is Chouet's claim ...
Most intriguiging is Chouet's claim that the U.S. was touting these forged documents before 9/11.
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:35 PM
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12. If France had played along and claimed the forgeries were authentic
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 12:38 PM by satya
back in the summer of 2001, and the neoconsters could have used that to drum up enough support for the Iraq invasion...

:tinfoilhat: ON
9/11 might not have been allowed to happen?

I'm a LIHOPer ("Let It Happen on Purpose" to those unfamiliar with the term, as opposed to "Made it Happen..."). I no longer have any doubt whatsover that they knew exactly when, where and what was going to happen on 9/11 and they opted for their "new Pearl Harbor" (to put it in PNAC terms).

Would we never have had "Freedom Fries" if Chouet's people had come up with the "right" answer?



Edited to add (and I can't say this enough): John Conyers Rocks!!! And if (!) there is any justice, he will soon be recognized and honored for his patriotism, his integrity and his dogged determination to find the truth despite countless obstacles thrown in his path.



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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:48 PM
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2. It's really cool that Conyers is posting info like this on his website.
I browsed around and there's a lot more, too. Go Conyers!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:21 AM
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8. Make sure you don't miss this one.
http://www.johnconyers.com/index.asp?Type=B_PR&SEC={F3C0A183-B062-4231-A761-A412FEC40DFE}
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:49 PM
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3. I'm glad someone is reporting it
This is the big thing on why we went to "war" with Iraq and to take out Hussein and destroy their country. Bush was warned not to use that in his speech in 2003 but he did it anyways.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:24 PM
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4. kick and nominating n/t
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:26 PM
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5. Hah! Funny as hell...
... Niger is, quite simply, French turf. They should know it as well or better than any other western intelligence service, based on both state and commercial interests.

It's apparent from this that the CIA was (thank you very much, Mr. Tenet) practically begging for corroboration of the forged documents, and the people in the know were saying, unh, huh, it's not true. The CIA seems to have come back to the French, repeatedly, saying, please, please, tell us this is true....

Somebody in the WH, perhaps many people in the WH, were saying to the CIA, prove this is true, almost from the beginning of the administration's term in office.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:30 PM
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6. "Whad'ya mean this dog won't hunt?"
"It's my dog, and it's gonna hunt goddam it.. maybe not today, but you better believe me It's gonna HUNT."!
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:49 AM
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7. kinda like DSM
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:30 AM
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9. Bless Mr. Conyers
and keep him safe from harm.

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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:36 AM
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10. We need to brace ourselves for hearing what
many have been claiming for 5 years. Evidence supporting MIHOP or LIHOP is mounting. "...Most intriguiging is Chouet's claim that the U.S. was touting these forged documents before 9/11."

Evil bastards.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:49 PM
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18. There's also French intelligence and other reports at this website....

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/brisard.pdf

demonstrating financial support from the Saudi Bin Ladin family to Osama and a statement that Saudi Royals would have been well aware of this. Other pages demonstrate the close relationship between Bush and the Bin Ladins.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:50 AM
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11. Kick! - Recommended
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:46 PM
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13. Add the whole Able Danger Investigation as well. Rep. Weldon stated on
Lou Snobbs a few nights ago that members of AD have been given permission to come before a House or Senate committee by the DOD - so the evidence is mounting and I feel that Conyers will be a part of these as well.

IF these pukes knew about 9/11 before it happened or worse yet they are directly responsible........ -

MARK MY WORDS THE STREETS OF AMERICA WILL TURN RED WITH THE POLITICAL LEADERS BLOOD.:tinfoilhat:


I need to get a tinfoil hat for the chairman as well.


thanx for posting this.


Someone has got to pay dearly for the planes that were crashed into OUR buildings.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:47 PM
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14. K&R
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:52 PM
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15. But, but, but..."everybody" agreed including the French!
How many times have we heard that line of BS.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:54 PM
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16. yeah that is why they sent all kinds of soldiers to Iraq
:sarcasm:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:17 PM
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17. A kick for Conyers.
:kick: Sheesh-when does Rep Conyers sleep? I :loveya: Mr. Conyers.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:57 PM
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19. Mr. Conyers is a tiger and he smells blood right now!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:27 PM
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20. How many fires are there now?..
Let's see...
1. Intelligence CIA WHIG
2. DSM
3. DSM II...bombing Al Jazeera
4. Election Coup 1&2 Diebold
5. 9/11...Able Danger etal
6. Torture Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, extrodinary rendiditon
7. White Phospherous Fallujah
8. Plame
9. Tom Delay
10.AIPAC
11.Abramoff
12.New Orleans
13.Haliburton
14.all things Ohio


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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:04 PM
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21. Kick

Give Mommy a Kiss....
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