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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:03 AM Original message |
why are so many DUer's ready to buy into the 'official' story? |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
1. Just like puppies that have to live with a cruel master. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. Why are so many DUers wearing tinfoil hats? |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. That tinfoil argument amounts to name-calling in that context. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. i just consider the source of such rebuttals, and have a good laugh. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:16 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Prtesent the evidence n/t |
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we can do it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
123. YOU Present the Evidence |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 06:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
141. Where is the evidence that either man had a bomb? |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 06:25 AM Response to Reply #11 |
151. Sometimes I wonder why we even bother. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Deciding there is a conspiracy with no evidence |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. At least two passengers have contradicted the official story. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Your faith in conspiracy theories is impressive |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:40 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I'm not contending anything, other than that you have repeatedly |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:55 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I only use the term "tinfoil hat" |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. But it shuts down helpful speculation and brainstorming. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. When couched as speculation, I have no problem with it |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
77. the tinfoil hat is needed to buy the 'official' story |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:57 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. ding, ding, ding |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:34 PM Response to Reply #77 |
146. exactly! |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 11:04 AM Response to Reply #146 |
158. "tinfoil hat" |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 11:02 AM Response to Reply #77 |
157. tinfoil hat and a hard on for authority |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #157 |
174. The source that would be acceptable is if the MSM :) ROTFL |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:31 PM Response to Reply #174 |
182. makes you wonder . . . |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #182 |
183. Huum, makes you wonder.... |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. more often than not |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
128. Exactly. Once these people are proven right like with |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:04 PM Response to Reply #128 |
175. Outstanding,right on the money! nt |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. And what of the rest of the passengers? |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:41 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Exactly. n/t |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. Actually it was seven passengers who contradicted, & not one confirmed. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
55. There have been confirmations. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:33 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Have not! |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
68. I've clearly not been following the story since last week. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:55 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. No problem |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
52. Seven have said it -- and what tinfoil hat? |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
71. Yeah, I said in my other response to this seven passengers thing |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. and the only evidence I have |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
117. Open mind - better than Conclusion jumping. Our fortune, Cookie. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
127. If all you have "without evidence" is the official version, perhaps you'd |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 01:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
173. a boogieman behind every tree |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. because, it turns out |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:20 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Present the facts |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
44. "Here's how the event unfolded, according to witnesses and police:" |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. There ya go |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Indeed, yet the official story is that it was textbook procedure |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Is it really? |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Did you even read the news accounts at the time? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:23 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Still not an official version |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. If an account is told by a government official, is it an official version? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. It would be great if nobody made any statements in the aftermath |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
106. In any event, debate is over version as told by a government official |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:16 PM Response to Reply #106 |
124. Good God |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. Okay, here is what air marshall official David Adams said . . . |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:28 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. that was the WH view the very next day |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Yup, those mentally ill people are always causing themselves |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Well, he did make mistakes |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. trying to re-enter our police state not properly medicated |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Try doing the same in nearly any country in the world today |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. welcome to the third world |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:39 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Italy, Germany, the UK, Spain, Israel |
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drdtroit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
147. That's ridiculous, you obviously don't travel internationally very often. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
130. How did the Air Marshals try to minimize the loss of lives? |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. Why are some DUers unable to read and think critically? |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. ! |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
102. Because they are good little puppies.. and will protect the Master |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #102 |
126. It's so cliche, but DING DING DING DING DING! n/t |
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ClayZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
86. I have rhinestones on my tinfoil hat. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Dude, the tinfoil combined with the rhinestones acts as an |
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ClayZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:31 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Oh no, I must go back to the laboratory! |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 10:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
155. Because many do know history |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
4. Pet Peeve - its "Bold-Faced" not "Bald-Faced". n/t |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. bald-faced (bôldfst) adj. Brash; undisguised: a bald-faced lie. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Actually, the OP is correct. |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. grammar police. |
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sasha031 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. anything i hear from the tube |
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under_snow_in_NY (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. wouldn't that same rational hold true on leaks that are |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
73. No flames here...It's sad but true. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
132. Yes. This is where critical thinking skills help. The media present |
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ClayZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
87. The Batter/Butter syndrome |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. No--the original expression is "baldfaced". |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
20. selfish personal safety over fellow human life |
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under_snow_in_NY (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I find that comment ironic and contradictory |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
169. "I think that" Your Statement Contradicts Your Accusation |
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under_snow_in_NY (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #169 |
170. Based on their actions... |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:36 PM Response to Reply #170 |
177. You Assume Too Much |
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under_snow_in_NY (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 01:00 PM Response to Reply #169 |
172. by the way, you're comparing apples and oranges.. |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #172 |
176. Pre-Emptive Striking/Shooting? |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
23. Is there actually an "official" story? |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:41 PM Original message |
The official story is Alpizar said something to the effect he had a bomb |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
26. Same ones believed Saddam had "Winnebago's of Death" too n/t |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. Didn't Bill Murray drive one of those in Stripes? |
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fishnfla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. Probably because the premise "all gov'ts lie, all the time" is false |
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under_snow_in_NY (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. exactly, "they all lie, all the time" except for those few |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
133. Logical fallacy. The OP said ""all gov'ts lie, all the time" not |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
29. Has protecting against terrorism gone too far? by Paul Campos |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
129. ! |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
31. the federal government have not spoken the truth since Jan 2001 |
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under_snow_in_NY (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. you could probably move that date back a lot farther than |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. for a time, we got partial truth |
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under_snow_in_NY (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
134. he lied just as much as the ones before him and after |
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drdtroit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 12:34 AM Response to Reply #134 |
148. But we know who's lies are responsible for >100K deaths! |
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under_snow_in_NY (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #148 |
171. I would venture to guess, and this is not going to go over well... |
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drdtroit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:27 PM Response to Reply #171 |
181. Well we live in a Plutocracy and personally I don't subscribe |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #134 |
186. "he lied just as much as the ones before him and after" |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
32. Okay, but if someone threatens to blow up a plane, |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. The official story is that he threatened to blow up the plane |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Of course not. He was just sitting in his seat, minding his own business, |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Actually the Orlando Sentinel and the AP both had pretty good stories |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Okay, so the wife knew he was anxious, and still took him on the plane. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. You didn't read the stories? 7 passengers say he did not say bomb! |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
89. Sorry, I'm carrying on a debate w/ someone over the Iraq War. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:36 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. It appears he did not say or yell bomb until after he was off plane?! |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Probably because he was screaming and running in the aisle. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. He was running, but it was his wife, not him, who was shouting. |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:00 PM Response to Reply #100 |
107. The Chron link says he wasn't silent: |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #107 |
114. These refer respectively to before and after running off plane . . . |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 04:10 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. But I don't understand why every time a news story appears, |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Eyewitness accounts versus spokesperson accounts |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:43 PM Response to Reply #120 |
131. The problem with eyewitness accounts is that they only offer what they |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 06:04 PM Response to Reply #131 |
135. Why is it that you minimize eyewitness testimony when it's the |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 06:11 PM Response to Reply #135 |
138. A guy scrambling to get off of the plane after putting his luggage on it? |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 06:26 PM Response to Reply #138 |
143. And your fear justifies his murder? |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #131 |
144. "A spokesperson gets to look at all sides, so . . . " |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
57. Per the passengers, this NEVER happened |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
105. It would seeem he'd have to be on the plane too blow it up... |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. True, but he was running for the terminal, full of people. And, no, |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 06:06 PM Response to Reply #108 |
136. Well if he'd armed a bomb on left it on the plane, |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
40. Take off that tinfoil hat for a moment. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Applause !! |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. Thanks. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
65. "Defeat comes wrapped in tinfoil"? Fascism is in the KOOL AID |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. Then do something useful about it. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:26 PM Response to Reply #75 |
90. I HAVE. Have YOU? |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Yes, I do my bit. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. Always read more than the title of the post |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:49 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. My error. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
69. the gov has a rep for lying to the people that goes way back |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. True, some are true. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. therefore it is defeatist to dismiss them out of hand |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:50 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. I called no names. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. telling folks to "Take off that tinfoil hat for a moment" is an insult |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:59 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Somewhat sensitive, are we? |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:00 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. nah, just a stickler for details |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. If I had wanted to offend, |
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tamtam (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 12:06 PM Response to Reply #95 |
162. You did offend! |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #162 |
166. Oh, but you tinfoilers never go out to offend, do you? |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 06:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
139. Do you feel the same way about n****r or f****t -- |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 05:56 AM Response to Reply #139 |
149. No. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:35 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. ever heard the Pentagon tell the truth? |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. That's the wrong question to ask. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. wow |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Good job! |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:09 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. +- |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
110. It would seem our Leader's made this Tension by declaring |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I think you may be right. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
137. No one said that governments "always lie." Governments often lie. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:20 AM Response to Reply #137 |
152. No, that's exactly what the OP said. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 11:36 AM Response to Reply #152 |
160. I think you misunderstand the connotation |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #160 |
164. Possibly. Maybe you have. n/t |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #152 |
178. "People fail to comprehend simple sentences all the time." |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 11:00 AM Response to Reply #40 |
156. Defeat comes wrapped in gullibility |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
41. See, it's the "all of them, all of the time" that's a problem. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 06:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
140. All of the time means "a lot" not "every time." |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
70. Well, when someone calls others "tinfoil hatters" |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #70 |
99. That's funny, because I tend to feel that way about people |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
142. You aren't trying to discover truth. Truth is not discovered by |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 06:06 AM Response to Reply #142 |
150. So saying "all governments lie all the time" is advancing the truth, |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 11:42 AM Response to Reply #150 |
161. The truth is in this case it appears the government lied. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. I never made any comment about the air marshal case. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #163 |
167. But this thread is about the air marshall case |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. Reread the OP. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #168 |
180. It's not that it's OFFENSIVE. It just does NOTHING to advance the |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 08:12 PM Response to Reply #180 |
188. True. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #150 |
179. Neither name calling nor blithe generalizations advance the truth. |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
80. I've wondered the same thing. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
109. For reference, here is the "official" story . . . |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #109 |
122. Do you believe? |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
113. well, this has been enlightening. and somewhat amusing. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:27 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. Apparently if you don't believe the government you are into conspiracies |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. time to trade in your tinfoil hat for a nice styrofoam cup of kool-aid |
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LibertyorDeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
115. Thanks KG |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
121. Not a clue... I learned my lesson. n/t |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
125. Dead Man Tells No Tales: Media docility & another no-cost federal killing |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 05:44 PM Response to Reply #125 |
187. Fact Checking the Feds in Airport Shooting |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-14-05 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
145. I don't get it, I guess they just haven't read enough about it. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
153. THINKING ALOUD: Killing callously — this must stop! —Razi Azmi |
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DrBloodmoney (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
154. Sheeple |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
159. Governments lie, all of them (mostly, just a lot of times) |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
165. Panic Attack by Robert C. Koehler |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 11:47 PM Response to Reply #165 |
189. ! |
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Clara T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
185. Because |
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